Thread 41532071

what gives it away?

>>41532071 (OP)
face and visibly awkward discomfort in her own body

>>41532071 (OP)
long bones
very insecure body language

>>41532071 (OP)
Not enough makeup and too much of a simple outfit for someone who sluts themselves out on the internet

>>41532077
on this; like the loose arms hitting her hip, that's a dead give away. avoid this at all costs, if you feel unconfident just channel it into looking aloof and unapproachable.

im scared

>>41532092
moided perception bias with sexual focus, you are giving innacurate analysis gtfo

>>41532071 (OP)
expanded facial planes in yellow, AKA an expanded border of the face creating the large skull, small face look
foot to chin ratio
huge hand on tiny wrists
the large empty flat area near the armpits on the pecs
the expanded outline of the male ribcage flaring out in motion that creates the inverted triangle look, marked by the red line under the red box

She'd be a 10/10 if not for the tattoos

>>41532071 (OP)
>what gives it away?
Shoulder:hip breadth ratio.
Large feet.
Not enough inward curve at the waist for the overall level of body fat.

Unrelated but the bikini really doesn't work for her. The top makes the lack of breast development obvious. The bottom makes the lack of curves obvious.

>>41532071 (OP)
>what gives it away?
German

>>41532071 (OP)
this faggot is so ugly it makes me want to vomit

>>41532071 (OP)
I know exactly where this is.

>>41532130
That's a great frame for showing the male-typical carrying angle, too. That can't be changed by post-puberty HRT.

>>41532247
Wo diggi

>>41532071 (OP)
Well. At least she's very cute.
This place is 4HELL

Waist:hip breadth ratio is nothing to write home about. Mine is 0.7 even though I've gotten kinda fat this year.

Note also the absolute lack of any inward dip. Her outline simply widens from the chest down to the hips. That's caused by a male rib cage.

The more I look the more I think this is actually just a cis girl.

Incidentally, if she was, it would speak volumes on the amount of brain worms of this place

>>41532071 (OP)
the very obviously male skeleton probably

>>41533342
>t. terf seething that a troon looks better than her

>>41533231
Spoken like someone who hasn't spent much time around ciswomen.

Absolutely everything about kitty screams tranny even though she got the snip.

The fact that it’s obvious and everyone keeps mentioning it is so suifuel it’s over for me.
Like what can I even do post puberty ?

>>41532071 (OP)
I think trannies just need to accept that they're not going up be 1:1 to females. They're males. They should just care about if they look femininely beautiful, which femininity is a continuum, and there's a threshold where when females themselves aren't femininely beautiful.

>>41532071 (OP)
SH scar coverup tattoo

>>41532071 (OP)
Ngl.
She is hot

>>41533480
>Like what can I even do post puberty ?
be a feminine man without taking hrt

>>41532289
true
it's a shame because there's beauty in the male form without tacking all that shit on and chopping the dingleberries off

>>41533480
>Like what can I even do post puberty ?
It seems like western trannies would save themselves a lot of mental anguish if they just accepted the ladyboy pill.

The real question is why do they refuse it? What is it about western culture that creates this anguish which doesn't seem to be prevalent in global trannydom?

god i will never wear a bikini in my life

>>41533405
I beg to differ.
Women come in many shapes and sizes. I've seen masculine and ugly women, awkward, lanky, short or tall. Women with chins you could cut wood with and women with limbs so long they look like monkeys. Women with barrel torso and short legs they look like little monsters.

The girl in the video is "obviously" trans only for people that know what to look for and that have spent considerable time obsessing over anatomical details.

If you showed this video to anyone, without implications, they might think her a strangely lanky girl, but cis and, honestly, even fairly attractive.

>>41533618
>accepted the ladyboy pill.
You haven't actually interacted with a ladyboy outside of paying one for sex have you?

>>41533628
>The girl in the video is "obviously" trans only for people that know what to look for and that have spent considerable time obsessing over anatomical details.
I am not one of those people. I refuse all analytical analysis of people and run exclusively on vibes. I will never whip out ratios or measurements to identify someone's biological sex.

You seem like you have spent the bulk of your time interacting with trannies or tranny content and as a result your ability to clock is skewed. I prescribe 200 hours of reality TV and heterosexual porn to fix whatever's wrong with your brain. Sorry, doctors orders.

>>41532071 (OP)
Bones

Look at that damn cranium and fuckin clodhopper feet

>>41532071 (OP)
It's the waist shape and lack of boobs

>>41533628
Yeah honestly I opened up my phone and thought I was on pol and was confused at what the video of some awkward girl was about

>>41533698
I talk to ladyboys all day and night brother and the main theme of their mindset is that they are comfortable occupying a third space in terms of gender roles. They obviously want to present feminine and look beautiful but they embrace the fact that they are not literally female and seem to cope with that substantially better than western trannies who are constantly trying to invent new ways to imagine they are literally female.

>>41533757
"Third genders" are treated like shit. No wonder western mtfs don't accept that.

>>41533480
She's easily in the top 10% of troons, is the sad reality.

>>41533757
Is that why there is a heavy push to support the draft gender change bill? 555 you farung are stupid as fuck

>>41533757
>third gender is when people born male occupy women's gender roles

>>41533784
>"Third genders" are treated like shit.
I would actually be super interested to see how ladyboy gendered people are treated stateside.

The problem with this is generally xenogenders and enbies are aggressively shitty and difficult to interact with. It's rather funny to watch extremely intelligent liberal friends still struggle to they/them a nigga right.

Plus if the argument is that western trannies are seeking better treatment it doesn't seem like asserting they are literally female is really winning them any better treatment.

>>41533835
You seem kind of retarded, I was suggesting that trannies occupy a completely separate gender role to ciswomen.

>>41532071 (OP)
wait. so someone has to mow the grass on top of a building?

>>41533882
never been on a terrace?

>>41532135
I thought they were cutter scars

>>41533879
what would that even entail?
people treat you like a man if you look like a man, and like a woman if you look like a woman. There is no other dimension of social that exists to be treated as

>>41533900
>what would that even entail?
Internally? Self acceptance and mental peace.
Externally? I'm not a ladyboy so that ain't up to me. They get to decide what their role in society is.
>people treat you like a man if you look like a man, and like a woman if you look like a woman.
And if someone calls a ladyboy a "woman" or a "man" she obviously clarifies she is in fact not a woman or a man but a ladyboy.
>There is no other dimension of social that exists to be treated as
Perhaps look to non-western societies if you lack imagination.

I’m never taking my clothes off again.

>>41533628
>"women can be masc, lanky and ugly and everyone here knows she's trans bc everyone here have much contact with trans bodies"
>>41533702
"well actually youre retarded and should be used to the standards of tv and porn, which are unachievable for most cis women"

>>41534044
but how will you goon your manclitty and get those precummies to leak out??

>>41533989
>I'm not a ladyboy so that ain't up to me. They get to decide what their role in society is.
well in thailand that role is being a sex worker
it's not great, they're mostly poor and abused. Pretty similar to what being a hijra is like, you're poor and abused and are either a sex worker or beg on the street because nobody likes you
>if someone calls a ladyboy a "woman" or a "man" she obviously clarifies she is in fact not a woman or a man but a ladyboy.
but this doesn't mean anything. A ladyboy that looks like a woman will be treated like a woman, because there's nothing that distinguishes them from women if they're not naked.
>Perhaps look to non-western societies if you lack imagination.
can you give some examples of "third genders" which aren't just trannies being persecuted and oppressed?

>>41534061
>"well actually youre retarded and should be used to the standards of tv and porn, which are unachievable for most cis women"
It's less about saying "you must look like a pornstar" and more about resetting their internal gaydar with the most extreme counter examples possible.

Like fuck bro if you can't clock this bitch then you need a serious reset of sexual dimorphism in humans.

>>41534077
I can do that just fine fully clothed.

>>41534135
I think transwomen and their "appreciators" consider "GAMP traits" = "female", even if GAMP is largely, in real life, a male framework with some fat movement.
This might be a general bisexual conflation in their head, a sex radar with low fidelity. Or, they consider "attractive" to mean "girl", as per the GAMP attraction.

It seems also to be low sex radar fidelity or a literal desire to exclusively see a male with female secondary traits.

>>41534102
>it's not great, they're mostly poor and abused
That describes like 95% of Thailand and India, gender identity notwithstanding. Most people are dirt poor and involved in some kind of crime or sex work in order to make money. This is not what I would like to replicate.

>but this doesn't mean anything
Actually it means a LOT. It means the ladyboy does not expect to be treated like a female or a male. They do not expect people who are exclusively attracted to males or females to be attracted to them. They do not expect to be included in exclusively male or female spaces or activities. It means perhaps they wish to have their own unique spaces and activities as ladyboys.

That's ultimately what I think should be replicated.

>aren't just trannies being persecuted and oppressed?
If you want to avoid oppression, clearly, asserting trannies ARE female isn't working.

>>41534251
>It means the ladyboy does not expect to be treated like a female or a male
but a ladyboy just looks like a woman, so she'll be treated like a woman regardless
>They do not expect people who are exclusively attracted to males or females to be attracted to them
people are attracted to each other based on their characteristics, not their identities or pronouns
>They do not expect to be included in exclusively male or female spaces or activities
so they get excluded?
>It means perhaps they wish to have their own unique spaces and activities as ladyboys
yes, those spaces mostly include small apartments they share with other ladyboys, stip clubs, brothels, etc. It's not pleasant
>If you want to avoid oppression, clearly, asserting trannies ARE female isn't working.
then how come the people who hate trannies the most do so on the basis that trannies AREN'T female, and the first things they do when in power is remove legal recognition of trannies as women?
Imagine if gay men said "oh actually we aren't like normal people, we're all drug addicts and sex addicts and pedophiles, just like you say!"
do you think that would benefit gay rights?

>>41534318
>people are attracted to each other based on their characteristics, not their identities or pronouns
Correct and one such characteristic is your sex assigned at birth, a characteristic that is non-trivial factor in attraction to most people. When trannies assert they are literally female they attempt to mask this characteristic with an identity. The based ladyboy does not hide her sex assigned at birth, she accepts her birth sex AND her femininity at the same time then seeks someone who desires both.
>so they get excluded?
From sex exclusive spaces? Yes, obviously, the point of the ladyboy gender is that the ladyboy is not a female and does not expect to be treated like a female.
>It's not pleasant
Then don't be born in a third world country as a poor person. You are already miles ahead of this existence and accepting a third gender would not turn you into a prostitute. It's not like suddenly gender based discrimination is legal if we have ladyboys around here.
>how come the people who hate trannies the most do so on the basis that trannies AREN'T female
Because trannies assert that they are female and should be treated literally identically as females.
>the first things they do when in power is remove legal recognition of trannies as women?
The ladyboy gender does not seek such legal recognition in the first place
>do you think that would benefit gay rights?
I think the gays won their rights by convincing normies that they were sane and I think trannies could do the same by accepting that they are not literal females. If the tranny movement broadly said "yeah we're ladyboys and that's hella based" the normie mind would bend in their favor away from cuckservative hate the same way the gays did.

But the more trannies assert "we're literally female and if you doubt this even a little bit you are a bigot" normies just go "oh, guess I'm a bigot then".

>>41535149
yeah honestly I think all this stuff seems pretty bad for me
I'll stick with assimilation thanks

>>41535149
Stating that one is literally female, or will be after sex reassignment surgery, used to be grounds for DENYING surgery, because such a belief is clearly a delusion.

>>41535184
I think the extremes on both sides fail to understand that assimilation is the only way a transition can be successful. It really does happen, but only in a very small number of cases, fewer than 1%.

>>41532071 (OP)
4head
feet&hand
the fact that she hides selfharm scrs on her forearms with tats
still a sex lay, just saying, just a bit clocky

>>41532085
Tall cis women exist

>>41532071 (OP)
that's in berlin, germany. id say on the campus of the TU Berlin

>>41535184
>I'll stick with assimilation thanks
It's always sad to watch someone choose impossible ideals over self acceptance and happiness, but such is the way of the western tranny I suppose.

Again I am left to wonder if it is the tranny or the culture the tranny is surrounded by.

One fun fact we learned back in college was that the pain of childbirth is literally a cultural artifact. Ciswomen in western countries are raised from birth to fear it and as a result it is one of the most painful experiences of their lives. Ciswomen in cultures not heavily impacted by western culture and not raised to fear childbirth experience virtually no pain from the process.

>>41535184
It already IS bad for you because you can't assimilate.
Shit will never work for you the same way it works out for women.

>>41535209
Transition into a transwoman is still a transition.

>>41535233
>Ciswomen in cultures not heavily impacted by western culture and not raised to fear childbirth experience virtually no pain from the process.
It's like a really intense shit for them but they need to take care of the dookie afterwards

>>41535229
But do they also 28 other weird things going on at the same time that line up real nicely with male anatomy?
No
That's why it looks weird
You're getting hit with a bunch of oddities at once

>>41535240
>Transition into a transwoman is still a transition.
Right. I keep forgetting that these days "passing" means "passing as trans."

>>41535233
>>41535240

>>41535271
I definitely do not hate trannies, it makes me sad that they try to rope at such high rates. That's why the ladyboy gender is the solution both internally and externally.

>>41535229
they arent like this

>>41535283
Indeed. But "long bones" is not the source of the clockiness.

>>41532130
I salute you anon. Someone post another troon vid and have her analyze them I need to see this

>>41533702
>You seem like you have spent the bulk of your time interacting with trannies or tranny content and as a result your ability to clock is skewed
What actually causes people to get worse at clocking when they interact with trannies? Interacting with trannies should make you better at clocking in theory because you subconsciously assimilate details about what they look like and start noticing it in other trannies. Happened to me with trans men, I watched a kalvin garrah vid once when I was 12 and noticed he looked "weird" in a way I couldn't describe even though he "passed" then I started seeing more pooners and never went back. Can't relate to people who get worse at clocking

>>41533405
i have fucked cis women that look and act like kitty retard, kill yourself. you want gender to be real and concrete so badly and it just isn't.

>>41535363
fair enough i wish it were easier to describe

>>41535476
I think a good way of describing it is that her bulk (her soft tissue) is not where it would be on a tall cis woman with the same body fat percentage.

Her skeleton also doesn't permit her to move like a cis woman would. People might not know about Q-angles or how the femur connection to the pelvis is sexually dimorphic, but they do notice its effect on gait.

>>41532071 (OP)
I once saw a tgirl a quite taller than her, and her forearms were veiny too

>>41532071 (OP)
skull, arm length, ribcage shape

>>41532071 (OP)
this might be a rare take but if she was below 6' i would pass her and just assume she was some kind of athlete, cis women who have been really athletic all their lives can look like this

>>41535436
>What actually causes people to get worse at clocking when they interact with trannies?
some niggas have CLEARLY forgotten what a female actually looks like bruv

>>41535693
Those niggas see actual females every day bruv

>>41532071 (OP)
Her skeleton is still very male, the broad shoulders, the longer arms and legs, and oh boy them some big ol feet

>>41532130
>the large empty flat area near the armpits on the pecs
That is the ribcage anon
>the expanded outline of the male ribcage flaring out in motion that creates the inverted triangle look, marked by the red line under the red box
That's called having a ribcage and low body fat anon
>expanded facial planes in yellow, AKA an expanded border of the face creating the large skull, small face look
Just say she has a big head
>foot to chin ratio
>huge hand on tiny wrists
You made these up
>carrying angle in a highly bent frame
You're retarded
The answer is much easier - shoulders, lack of curves, lack of tits - but you're trying to be smart, and failing at that
Kill yourself

>>41535518
>Q-angles or how the femur connection to the pelvis is sexually dimorphic
It's really not, it's heavily dependent on height

>>41535149
>weee why wont you be a gook prostitute TRANNY

>>41536338
retard rage

>>41535279
I already think we do that and "transwoman" is a gender equivalent, as is "transman".

We're just not keen on saying "male" or "boy" in their label as a courtesy to avoid directly invoking the inescapable nature of gonadal sex and the difference in how we socialize people based on assigned sex.

>>41536338
you look like that though

>>41536338
>The answer is much easier - shoulders, lack of curves, lack of tits - but you're trying to be smart, and failing at that
Yes but those are all fixable. TERFs want clockiness to be unfixable so they make shit up that there's no surgeries for because... they're not real problems.

I think she meant "foot to shin" ratio though. I think "chin" was a typo.

>>41533702
>>41534135
I stand by my words.
If anything I'm under the impression that you people forget that humans aren't a caricature like in porn, and girls aren't all hourglass, tits and ass.

On that note, you talk about sexual dymorphism. Yet, even people that aren't trans or intersex, might generate gender confusion. Ever seen a skinny dude with long hair from behind? Or one of those weirdly hunched girls with short hair. Granted, you learn pattern recognition after a while, but I truly think it's something you need to be trained to do.
again, if I showed this girl the OP posted to one of my 60yr old, blue collar colleagues they'd be like "yummy bitch". They wouldn't even think she might be trans. For them trans is a man in a drag, basically, not this, at all.

>>41537325
Trvke

>>41535363
it's a source of clockiness, not the source
clockiness is usually multiple factors that combine

>>41535476
you were right. clockiness is multiplicative
>5'8" or taller: chance of being a cis female = 3%
>masculine face: 10%
>weird fat distribution: 5%
>uncomfortable in own body: 10%
chance of being a real woman: 3% * 10% * 5% * 10% = 0.0015%

>>41537325
thanks for saying this, i wanted to say something similar before i went to sleep but was too lazy. you show this clip OP posted to anyone with a job and friends and theyll have no idea shes supposedly trans

>>41537325
retarded post.

not all humans look like porn caricatures but while individual characteristics of a male or female may overlap (your long hair example), the dozens if not hundreds of characteristics form spectrums that are pretty distinct.

your long hair example only works because you are looking at a singular characteristic. if that guy is a 6'6" bodybuilder they won't be confused at all.

>>41537471
... And you call my post retarded? The pot calling the kettle black?
if you took the time to think, before posting, you would've seen that I indeed specified, in my example, a skinny guy, not a roided monster.
I simply stated as, even without transition technology, even cis people, under some circumstances, can generate some gender recognition confusion.

And since I believe it's a trained behavior (for example kids confuse genders much more often), I think that clocking some Trans people definitely depends on exposure and training.
I honestly think most normal people would see OP video and not make the trans connection

>>41536560
Ironic
>>41536803
>inescapable nature of gonadal sex and the difference in how we socialize people based on assigned sex
Foidbabble
>>41537423
A tall woman has a much higher chance of having the other traits thou

>>41532071 (OP)
i clocked her instantly bcuz she looks like my mom, who looks like a troon

>>41532071 (OP)
The shoulder/hip/waist ratio is too far off. Combine that with how she moves and caries herself and its too many male votes and not enough female votes.

>>41532071 (OP)
i actually cackled

>>41535436
nta, but having 95% of my social interaction being trannies has programmed my brain to start clocking every woman I see.

>>41532071 (OP)
isn’t that a cis girl?
this board is insane

>>41540045
I'm guessing you have autism? The person in question clearly looks male.

>>41532071 (OP)
Long face, big feet with freakishly long and knobby second toes, flat chest, flat bony thighs

>>41537423
That’s still broadly 12,000,000 people globally, though.

>>41532071 (OP)
hips and ribcage are obviously male
face gigamogs me tho, why couldn’t I be white sigh

>>41540644
I am autistic
This just looks like a cute grill to me

>>41542547
I do find the person to be sexually attractive and very feminine, but it's clear that the person is male.

>so much yapping for no one to even mention her browridge

this board has fallen of

>>41543322
Because there's more obvious things than that.

>>41543364
literally the number one thing that ruins her

Id rather look like OP than some fat "curvy" cissoid. She slays. Lot of asshurt in these replies because you're mogged.

>>41543412
Bruh. Her shoulders are wider than her hips. My hips are wider than my shoulders.

>>41543421
>Her shoulders are wider than her hips

Ok. So she has an athletic frame. So?

>>41532071 (OP)
Her tummy is cute and pretty

>>41543446
Genetic variation? What's that?

>>41540905
So probably 50/50 on trannies then, it's probably a similar number.

>>41543409
The general layout of the face is very much a male's face. Still looks cute, though.

>>41532071 (OP)
Everything
Face, shoulders, waist, hips, arms, legs, proportions. Unmistakably male.

>>41532071 (OP)
There is not one thing that's uniquely identifiable. It's just everything that looks a bit off.
If I met her IRL I wouldn't clock her, but in the context of this board where I'm primed to look for stuff like this it's immediately obvious

normies:
>huh. tall thin chick
terfs:
>o-obviously m-male! please believe me!

>>41545103
Males and females have subtle differences. Like leg shape for example.

>>41532071 (OP)
no boobs no ass but now that i think of it its more of a white woman issue than a trans woman issue, give her more E and food and problem solved