I'm a Hindu myself and the gradual shift of the Hindu priestly caste towards vegetarianism in the ancient-medieval times makes sense to me because it's easy to see how blood, entrails and dead bodies can be seen as 'impure' by those working in places of worship supposed to be close to the gods.
It seems to me that Christianity, with its focus on mercy and love, should be even more susceptible to this shift but it seems there wasn't any such shift.
Even nowadays, it's the leftists that are more concerned with the morality of killing animals with the right unconcerned.
Any essays/arguments in the Christian Cannon about this?

>>24456640 (OP)
God likes barbeque plus you're supposed to eat him.

>>24456640 (OP)
you're looking for leviticus, the priestly class, nazirites specifically would not touch their hair or touch the dead and this is what Rastafaris are based on.

>>24456640 (OP)
Vegetarianism is ultimately about extending compassion . Something Hindus figured out long ago.

>>24456744
Rastafarianism is a meme

>>24456735
>you're supposed to eat him
???

>>24456640 (OP)
>Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. - Romans 14:1-4

iirc Paul's letter to the Romans is the only part of the Bible that mentions vegetarianism

>>24456640 (OP)
The older I become, the less empathy I feel toward people, and the more I feel toward animals. It's hard to care about humanity when it inflicts so much suffering and destruction, but I know I shouldn't flip entirely and start wishing for its annihilation; though I certainly wouldn't mind it. I see veganism and animal welfare as far more rational, as opposed to anthropocentric humanism. Thinkers like Francis of Assisi, Schopenhauer, and Wagner interest me greatly, and I believe the Hindus were onto something here.

>>24456640 (OP)
Vegetarianism makes sense in a system of reincarnation. In Christianity, man is seperated from animals.

>>24457127
...animals don't inflict suffering?

>>24456640 (OP)
>>24456750
The reason they started off with the cow stuff is because they needed to protect the cows from slaughter (it would be like killing the goose that lays the golden egg). They needed the cows for working the fields and for their milk. If people were eating them, they would have run out of cows. Similar taboos existed in other parts of the world at different times. Eventually in India though it became institutionalized

Have you ever socialized with some of the animal species we regularly consume without a thought? Some are almost as gregarious as dogs. I really should stop eating meat at some point.

>>24457169
Of course they do, but they're not moral agents. They don't possess the capacity for ethical reflection or the power to choose large-scale systemic harm. Humans do, and more importantly, the scale isn't even remotely comparable: animals kill to eat or defend themselves, while humans devastate ecosystems, industrialize torture through factory farming, and destroy countless lives out of convenience or profit.

The aristocracy descend from Nomads who ate a high-protein diet of cattle, milk and yoghurt.
The peasant masses ate gruel. Comparing their bone structures, it is clear that the Nomads were genetically superior specimens.
The brahmins were essentially nothing more than masturbators. They held their head in their clouds and never bothered to deal with reality as it is, the concept of finding God through activity in the world, it is completely foreign to them. They are heroin addicts, who mastered Yoga and neglected society as a whole.
The modern Indian is a dysgenic freak, their ancestors diet and ghastly practise of arranged marriage wrecked their gene pool. They are also a thoroughly conquered people

>>24456640 (OP)
Vegetarianism was a thing among pagan philosophers, some of the neoplatonists were vegetarian like Porphyry. Traditionally Pythagoras was a vegetarian, see the last book of Ovid's Metamorphoses for an extended argument for vegetarianism.

>>24457175
It's not just cow though. The priestly class are banned from engaging in all meat. Though cow does have a special place for the reasons you mentioned.

>>24457258
Not a single sentence in this post makes any sense. How can one be so wrong about every aspect of reality?

>>24457478
In a society where you have a meat shortage you would want to make sure that only the people who really need it (the warrior class) are getting it. Everybody, including the priests, can make do with less.

>>24456995
>This is my body

Saint Basil the Great has a homily where he says that eating meat is probably a consequence of the Fall. God permits it but it didn't happen in the Garden of Eden. By extension, after the Second Coming we probably won't eat meat any more. We might not have need to eat at all, really, when Christ Himself dwells among us.

>>24457505
In a society where you have produce excess you can make do without meat since it's not absolutely necessary to kill to survive.

>>24457488
You are spiritually destitute. Only those with Aryan spirit would understand what i'm saying.

>>24457559
>Only those with Aryan spirit would understand what i'm saying.
Or schizotards who learn history and politics from memes on /pol/

>>24457565
As I said. Spiritually destitute. r/atheism is that way

>>24457646
Lmao. Calm down schizo. Is this atheist in the room with us right now?

>>24457555
>not absolutely necessary to kill to survive.
The Gangetic plain was and is very fertile and they could produce plenty of rice and crops. And their protein needs for the lower sectors of the population could be met by milk and cheese. Killing animals in almost every society including India is a luxury because animals have poor feed conversion ratios. They are not saving the animals out of pity but out of necessity.

>>24457546
It's in practically the first line of the Bible that God made all the animals on Earth for man to eat.

>>24457154
>Vegetarianism makes sense in a system of reincarnation
It doesn't really have to do with this. Most Buddhist countries are not vegetarian and don't have religious restrictions on diet. The Buddha himself was not a vegetarian (unlike his contemporary Jains).

>>24457819
What a load of nonsense. It stands to reason that any place with good produce will also have good husbandry. And there's no reason to believe that Indians would save animals out of "necessity" anymore than any other culture with meat eating habits, especially those in worse conditions.

Meat eating is the real necessity here arising out of naturally bad weather and low yield (think deserts of Arabia). Many farm or game animals don't even live on produce, they just graze natural cellulose that humans can't digest.

Only rational conclusion is that it is down out of sheer compassion. Which is in agreement with the cultural themes and texts. Supported by plenty rivers and high crop yield

>>24457855
>*Done out of

>>24457855
>good produce will also have good husbandry.
There is that potential but it's a tradeoff. India did not reach 1.5 billion people by wasting all the agricultural productivity on meat production.

>they just graze natural cellulose that humans can't digest.
Yes there are areas where livestock can graze, but I don't think that applies to the Gangetic plain

>>24457855
>Only rational conclusion is that it is down out of sheer compassion

That is a huge leap to make, because muslims for example do not eat pork, not because of compassion, becuase of taboo. It's the same with Indians not eating beef, etc. Buddhists in principle should be more compassionate than anybody but they also eat meat, because there is no taboo within Buddhism for meat.

Taboo observance does not equal compassion. Do not be confused.

>>24457819
Christian missionaries were unable to convert Indians on the sole reason that Indians were disgusted by the idea of killing animals for meat.

>>24457826
Where?

>>24457868
Genesis 9:3 – “Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.”

>>24456640 (OP)
you could look for vegetarianism in monastic rules. some orders follow vegetarian or piscitarian diet

>>24457855
>>24457865

Also don't forget that India is a historically impoverished country, meaning people simply don't even have the money to eat meat. It's easy to be a "vegetarian" when you can't afford meat. But walk into any Indian restaurant in the West and you will see everything except beef being eaten by wealthy (and not so wealthy) Indians in the diaspora.

Chinese were likewise "vegetarians" for 364 days of the year when they were poor. Now they eat meat every day.

>>24457871
>practically the first line
>chapter 9
You know chapter 9 is about Noah and that's who God is talking to? We're no longer in the Garden of Eden with Adam.

test

the merciful man shows mercy to his beast

>>24457878
It's still Genesis. And it's been a while since I read it, okay?

I myself am a huge fan of chicken tandoori

>>24457871
that was before the fall. man's nature changed after the fall, and so his relation to nature itself.

>>24458057
Well, that's interesting.

I was watching that one film with Crowe as Moses, and was all upset he was portrayed as a vegetarian, then I realized that God doesn't specifically mention meat as food until after the flood.

Also they didn't portray him as a drunkard, which was kinda disappointing, desu, but that's neither here nor there.

>>24458080
you mean as noah? dumb ass

Lamb vindaloo also hits the spot

>>24456640 (OP)
isn’t it true that plant-based agriculture results in more total animal deaths than meat production

>>24456744
>>24457027
>>24457459
>>24457546
>>24457873
Thank you anons

>>24457875
I think it's quite the opposite desu, at least here in India. The lower class (which coincides with the lower castes pretty much) eats meat while the upper class/castes typically don't. I've seen two such lower class families pretty much give up on meat on becoming richer because it's the sign of sophistication/civilization.
But there's also the fact that some of the less orthodox Brahmins are starting to eat meat now because of peer pressure or because they think it's 'manly' so no one really knows where these trends will take the society.

>>24458166
Just wondering since you are hindoo, how does anybody know what caste you are in? Can't you just say you're a a Brahmin?

>>24457853
Can you not really see the reasoning here?

>>24456640 (OP)
Read Porphyry's On Abstinence from Killing Animals. Christians, St Augustine in particular, carried his arguments from this piece into Christianity, namely that animal sacrifice (and eating them afterwards) was bad because it fed terrestrial daemons that were evil. In the course of the essay Porphyry makes many more vegan adjacent arguments that sit conformably within Christianity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Abstinence_from_Eating_Animals
https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/porphyry-on-abstinence-from-killing-animals-9781780938899/

>>24458378
It is quite impossible to judge purely by appearance actually, and more so in modern times. The main marker of a person's caste is his surname, and there are some secondary physical markers that aren't difficult to fake (earrings, a sacred thread). So it is possible theoretically. In fact what you've asked is one of the arguments used to deny there was any discrimination in old times.
But practically, it is pretty difficult for a person to larp as being from a higher caste I think. Each of the three upper caste varnas (Brahmins, Kshatriyas (warriors), Vaishyas (merchants)) had their own texts and training so you would be outed as a larper sooner than later even if you faked your surname and other traits. Also, to larp, you need to have money enough to go to a distant place where you can't be recognised and beaten up. And the lower castes didn't have much of either knowledge or money. But there have been castes which, though downtrodden, united and conquered cities and empires and so got promoted into the Kshatriya varna.

>>24458378
>>24458456
It is very easy to fake it these days so rich people from lower castes can and do fake it to some extent. But now it's advantageous to be from a lower caste because government 'reserves' seats in government run colleges and jobs in government run companies (upto 50%) for these lower castes (and there are a lot of other benefits too). So it is much more beneficial for them to flaunt their lower caste now. (In fact now upper caste people are trying to pass as lower caste so they can get part of this pie)

>>24458166
>But there's also the fact that some of the less orthodox Brahmins are starting to eat meat now because of peer pressure or because they think it's 'manly' so no one really knows where these trends will take the society.
Isn’t this extremely silly? The priestly class of your society going against their faith just to follow trends and look cool? I’ve never heard of this being widespread even with American priests or Islamic scholars how does it happen in India? They’re supposed to be the best and most knowledgeable of their religion right. Or is this only a small minority and most are orthodox?

>>24456640 (OP)
>I'm a Hindu myself
how often do you mix cow shit into a glass of water and drink it?

>>24458483
I should've phrased it better. The priestly caste is that just in name. They are free to do whatever they want to. There is a small section of the caste that goes into actual temple service. The rest go into business, sports, education, whatever. The actual priests and their families remain firmly committed. It is a small minority in the other group that let themselves be 'corrupted' by the other castes for which it is not taboo.

>>24457258
Lay off the Ebola, fag.

I love me some goat korma. Butter chicken is also excellent.

>>24458468
>>24458456
Are the people migrating to Canada and the West mosty from one caste or another?

>>24458431
It seems that you are implying that vegetarians are more compassionate than the Buddha or Jesus (the literal son of God according to some people), which is an interesting claim to make.

>>24459507
They used to be upper caste, mostly Brahmins in the past. All the big Indian names in FAANG are Brahmins afaik.
Now it's become trivial to take out a loan and go abroad for education so the lower class and lower caste people have jumped in too. At this point, I think they slightly outnumber the upper caste people.

>>24459507
>>24460363
The more 'problematic' Indians in the West are both from low castes and the lower class. Higher caste Indians and lower caste but upper class Indians know about western values and their differences with Indian values so they make the most effort to mix in with the society there and remain invisible.
The garrulous, unclean sterotype fits the lower caste and class people who've probably never stepped out of their village more than a few times before hopping on a flight to the US.

>>24460363
>>24460392

Besides low cost loans, are there any other ways we can attract them to come settle in places like Canada and the UK?

>>24460536
kek who are you and what the fuck do you want?

>>24457258
>Yoga
Yoga is not just mediation, the most common Yoga practiced is Karma Yoga where you actively have to engage with the world to burn off Karmic ties.
>gene pool
Arranged marriage via the Gotra system explicitly prevented inbreeding

>>24457875
India was not historically impoverished, it frequently constituted over 30% of the world's economy prior to the modern era

>>24458378
There's no point in lying about your caste. Lower castes have affirmative action

>>24458483
Not every Brahmin becomes a priest. India is only like 34% vegetarian. Young Indians generally eat lamb and chicken as cultural attitudes are shifting toward people eating meat in their formative years and only moving to a more vegetarian diet if they want to be more religous in their mid 30s or 40s

>>24459507
Canada gets drug addicted farmers from the middle of no where Punjab

>A Hindu
>Brahmin
Stopped reading there. Growup and eat a cow like a normal human being

>>24460603
It is sad what the British did to it. There is always hope for reparations though.

>>24457861
>India did not reach 1.5 billion people by wasting all the agricultural productivity on meat production.
India and China always had higher population levels than other regions. When he population exploded globally it did so in India too in equal proportions. I don't think other regions are less populated simply because they continue to eat meat.
>but I don't think that applies to the Gangetic plain
Wrong.
>>24457863
>That is a huge leap to make,
It's not that much of a leap if such a thing is the explicit theme of the cultural zeitgeist. Consider Mahavirs who come out of the same culture and go to even greater extremes of taboo to not harm fellow creatures.
>Also don't forget that India is a historically impoverished
I'm not sure what that even means considering the definition of impoverished changes overtime. I can't see the average ancient Indian being any more impoverished than the average, say, arabian.
>Chinese were likewise "vegetarians" for 364 days of the year when they were poor. Now they eat meat every day.
But they don't have a cultural taboo against meat. Quite the opposite actually.