Why are humans obsessed with god?

we need a reason or we start to dissolve

>>24460937
that's circular reasoning

God is a form of culture. You might as well ask why people are obsessed with music or literature or fashion.

>>24460941
yes but that doesn't explain why people are obsessed with god

>>24460939
consciousness is circular

>>24460936 (OP)
To anthropomorphise the inherent chaos of existing in a hostile inhuman world and attempt to impose order on said chaos and to soothe existential terror

>>24460973
not all gods are anthropogenic

>>24460973
not all gods are anthropomorphic

>>24460967
yea, what's the starting point

>>24460984
consciousness

>>24460982
Yes

>>24460992
these ones look too human still
>>24460991
lmao

>>24460996
divine consciousness would still be the starting point

>>24460996
Nigga pick up any book on anthropology. Read up on animism, anima mundi, the concept of mana, the Tao. Educate yourself

>>24460936 (OP)
We naturally reach for the transcendental.

>>24460982
Very few concrete deities are not anthropomorphized in some sense. Yes, they are animals, but then you look at the myths surrounding those gods are you see them acting like humans, having human motivations, behaving like humans.
Appearances are not everything.

>>24460973
this is funny because dolphins and elephants have cultures, would they then believe in god
>>24461003
this goes beyond anthropology, i'm asking a very broad question about the necessity of god, one might argue that god is useless in the modern world in places like china and scandinavia but not be able to account for why the godless swedish would tolerate muslim somali while the chinese persecute the uyghurs

>>24461012
the earliest gods weren't anthropomorphic and only select elite could talk to them so what exactly does that tell you about us

giving away responsibility

this >>24461014 was meant for >>24460941

>>24461019
that would assume that early humans thought they were in control of anything more than their bodies

>>24460936 (OP)
>Why are humans
Is this an alien or a monkey speaking, or what?

>>24460962
Why are humans obsessed with music?

>>24461070
music is a pattern in noise akin to regular shapes which stand out in the chaos of the world, you are more likely to remember a bird's call than a random noise with no pattern

>>24461066
a lizard

God is a virus in the human psyche.

>>24460937
It's interesting how atheist arguments do not evolve or take on any nuances with the passing of time, unlike all other forms of belief and philsophy. It's such a juvenille belief system.
>muh humans can't cope without an imaginary friend
is still the only argument they have.

>>24461626
There's literally no reason you needed to get so viscerally upset at that totally neutral post and insert assumptions about the poster. It says a lot about you and nothing about him.

>>24460936 (OP)
We want there to be a why and a who behind things, even though it isn't required. I'm agnostic but I see the appeal in the simplicity of monotheism

>>24461091
>which stand out in the chaos of the world
NTA but there's the answer to believing in god(s). The idea that we are here by chance, luck, randomness, etc. is chaos. Religious beliefs are organized. People who don't understand religion think that god is chaotic because, "Why would he allow bad things to happen!?". This is usually directed at God/Yahweh and not so much pagan gods or Hindu gods, to which the former does have spiritual answers. However, secular people often find those answers unsatisfying and attribute it to chaos rather than misunderstanding.

>>24461464
So true. Did you happen to catch the newest rick and morty episode yet, my dude?

>>24461014
Dolphins and elephants are not capable of abstract thought. That's a uniquely human ability. If they could, it's entirely possible they would form a religion.

>>24461681
actually dolphins should be able to because they have language, elephants bury their dead, etc it's not as simple as you want to make it

>>24461680
inception, memes, paprika, all these have played around with the idea of mind viruses way before rick and morty

>>24460939
>we live
>we breed
>we die
Do you ever imagine what your parents were doing the day they conceived you? Your father grunting as he thrust his cock inside your mother, the way she moaned with every reception, sometimes his cock would slip out and she would lustily reach to reinsert his cock, desperate for it, like she would die without it. What position do you think your parents were having sex the day they conceived you? Do you think your mother told your father to cum deeply inside her or did your father bust unexpectantly? What do you think they talked about while it was happening?
Life is circular like an ouroboros. You can look into the nerd shit of why a snake may devour itself or you can say, "it do be like that sometimes".
>>24460984
Who do you consider to be the first human? Do you think other creatures have human consciousness? The only comparable representation is AI. Eventually if you rub enough rocks together you get smart rocks, rub enough smart rocks together and you get consciousness. Same thing with biology, rub enough atoms together and you get life.

>>24461704
you could have made a simpler analogy with food and gluttony and it still would not explain why we are obsessed with god

>>24461718
But anon >>24460937 already answered your question. Without God or gods, we lose morality.
Have you ever been into the woods? Not just a day trip through a local forest but somewhere you do not see anyone for weeks or months at a time, then encounter someone in your isolation? Your instinctual fear kicks in. That is the fear of the wilds, no morality exists there. If they or you wished to do harm to the other, who should stop you?
I assume humans are "obsessed with god"
>god
because it is more comfortable to live with rules than without them. Comfort is subjective so you can decide how you feel about that.
>you could have made a simpler analogy with food and gluttony
No. Food sustains life, procreation creates life. To complete the cycle things must be born, they must breed, then they must die, and somewhere along the stages of existence food is consumed. If procreation does not occur, the species does not continue.
I just wanted to make a funny post about your parents having sex, thought it might throw you off a bit.

>>24461704
>incestuous projection
>ridiculous conflation of consciousness with random shit happening because reasons
Reddit is that way, sir.

>>24461758
you could make the argument that god isn't necessary for morality since we've replaced him with government or science, see the china and scandinavia analogy i made earlier or even japan--this is especially interesting because japan has relegated god to ceremony, they don't need to worship one but tolerate him through numerous cultural ceremonies while maintaining a belief that their emperor is a direct descendant of this deity

>>24461687
Those are not abstract thoughts. Thinking abstractly means thinking about things that are not concrete. A elephant can see another dead elephant, see the dirt, see that it attracts predators, and determine it's best to put corpses underground. Yes, elephants can feel very strong emotions and it's possible grief is tied into the act of burial and it's not purely for survival purposes. We can't know that for sure, but it's a possibility.

What they CAN'T see are the neurons deactivating upon death. They do not question what happens after death or invent concepts like a "soul". They will not look up to the cosmos and wonder if their elephant friend is up there. These are all things you can never ever teach an elephant even if you were given thousands of years to do so because they physically do not have the ability to understand any of it.

Yes, animals have culture, make tools, have a hierarchy, can engage in war, have rituals, complex languages, strong emotions, etc. But abstract thought is still a uniquely human ability.

>>24461798
animals know when other animals are dead, that's especially crucial for hunting for carnivores and staying away from danger for herbivores so your explanation isn't really convincing since it would extend to all herbivores, some herbivores have even been observed cannibalizing their own, the jump from dead to bury is too large and not only do they bury, they come back and mourn

>>24461779
The thousands of years of corruption and pain caused by the Church is significantly better than the last 70 years of world war, atomic war, abortion, and transgenderism. We have barely made it one century of a mostly secular empire and it's been the most human suffering in all of civilization.

>>24461813
Observation of the dead is not abstract thought. Wondering where the dead go after they die is.

>>24460936 (OP)
What is it like actually believing in God or feeling the need for religion?
I did my prays when I was a child but I didn't understand much of it and dropped religion after becoming an edgy teenager, but as an adult I just feel like I'm missing something other people have.

>>24462171
mourning isn't mere observation

>>24462532
But you're assuming the elephants are mourning in a human manner rather than expressing sadness. You assume the burial is 100% out of mourning ritual instead of also being a practical survival trait that happens to be sad for the elephants. Which is why I say, "Maybe it is, but you don't absolutely know". You can't know what's going on in an elephant's head.

>>24461779
>we've replaced him with government or science
Brother, this is still bad.
Separation of church and state was a necessary step forward but to fill this void with science is taking two steps back. I do not put my faith in men.
And what do you think the laws of government are based on? God and the Bible, granted I don't know what the non-Christian countries base their laws around but I assume it's divined from religious texts or stories.
>china
Literal bug-men.
>scandinavia
Pagans.
>japan
Their whole society is based on ceremony, feels fake as shit. Also, I saw video of it so I don't know how true but I thought the japs were sick of their royals because they are ugly. Youe thoughts?
What am I arguing? Feels good to argue. Oh yeah.
If not from God, where do you suggest we get our laws from? You said science, but the science of what time? The science of now? Now is always changing and postmortem we discover the obscenities of well meaning scientists. Many horrible things have been done under the guise of God but the Bible, the rule book, has stayed fairly consistent over time (fact check me Biblefags, I made this up because it sounds right).
This would be more fun to talk in person. Fun topic.

>>24460936 (OP)
It is very useful as an organizing force but in this day it seems to me you don't have to conceive of it as such anymore.

>>24461091
>music is a pattern in noise
what is God if not that as well? you kind of answered your own question here.

>>24461014
>god is useless in the modern world in places like china and scandinavia
you know nothing about what its actually like in scandinavia if you think that. God and religion is still highly relevant here and is back on the rise after a nihilistic 30 years or so
t. norwegian

>>24460936 (OP)

“What is he thinking of?” asked Lincoln.

Mira thought for a little. “Well,” he said, “there are only two courses of thought at all seemly to a person of any intelligence. The one is: What am I to do this next moment? — or tonight, or tomorrow? And the other: What did God mean by creating the world, the sea, and the desert, the horse, the winds, woman, amber, fishes, wine? Said thinks of the one or the other.”

— Isak Dinesen, ‘The Dreamers’