Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:10:48 PM No.24463748
>A novel will be of a loftier and nobler nature, the more of inner and the less of outer life it portrays.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:26:02 PM No.24463760
>>24463748 (OP)
I agree with this in general. There is still no other better medium to portray the inner conflict of humanity than through a novel. It's not even close.
I agree with this in general. There is still no other better medium to portray the inner conflict of humanity than through a novel. It's not even close.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:28:45 PM No.24463766
>>24463760
yeah if you're incapable of having a single original thought sure
yeah if you're incapable of having a single original thought sure
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:30:22 PM No.24463769
>>24463766
What does that have to do with what he said
What does that have to do with what he said
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:35:51 PM No.24463782
>>24463766
?? elaborate and refute or you're a faggot.
?? elaborate and refute or you're a faggot.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:47:45 PM No.24463802
>>24463769
>>24463782
human mind and its associated thoughts and feelings exhibit such intricate and multifaceted complexity that no existing artistic medium including books can aspire to capture even a fraction of their fullness with genuine accuracy to any extent at all
you might only believe in the adequacy of literary representation if your own cognitive life is limited to recycled or derivative patterns
I'm don't remember if schop also mentions this in his essay on thinking for yourself
>>24463788
also this
>>24463782
human mind and its associated thoughts and feelings exhibit such intricate and multifaceted complexity that no existing artistic medium including books can aspire to capture even a fraction of their fullness with genuine accuracy to any extent at all
you might only believe in the adequacy of literary representation if your own cognitive life is limited to recycled or derivative patterns
I'm don't remember if schop also mentions this in his essay on thinking for yourself
>>24463788
also this
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 8:18:11 PM No.24463847
Refute this: a quantity is a quality without a property
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 8:40:11 PM No.24463881
>>24463802
I never said it portrays its fullness with genuine accuracy, I said that there is no other medium thus far that portrays it closer than the written word. The only thing I could maybe concede to is if AI/VR manages to create a first person artistic experience including the emotions, the thoughts, the inner conflict, etc. of a novel/movie. As of now? No.
>>24463788
To take this as an example, movies are much better at portraying the outer life and immersing you visually into the place and time. But of the inner life? Even with monologue or "le quirky techniques"? Not a chance. Even if you cope by saying "actually, you're just getting cucked by the author's own thoughts, not yours", the fact that there are endless ways of discussing and interpreting literature throws a big wrench into that.
I never said it portrays its fullness with genuine accuracy, I said that there is no other medium thus far that portrays it closer than the written word. The only thing I could maybe concede to is if AI/VR manages to create a first person artistic experience including the emotions, the thoughts, the inner conflict, etc. of a novel/movie. As of now? No.
>>24463788
To take this as an example, movies are much better at portraying the outer life and immersing you visually into the place and time. But of the inner life? Even with monologue or "le quirky techniques"? Not a chance. Even if you cope by saying "actually, you're just getting cucked by the author's own thoughts, not yours", the fact that there are endless ways of discussing and interpreting literature throws a big wrench into that.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 8:42:06 PM No.24463889
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 8:44:33 PM No.24463894
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 11:37:05 PM No.24464247
>>24463748 (OP)
The inside and outside are one and the same
The inside and outside are one and the same
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 11:46:31 PM No.24464277
>>24463748 (OP)
maybe in his time this was a good point to make, but then in the 20th century writers obsessed about it and wrote shitheaps of inner monologue and navelgazing, and nobody can tell an actual story anymore.
Dialectic at work, ackshually. The synthesis is to portray the inner world via outer events.
maybe in his time this was a good point to make, but then in the 20th century writers obsessed about it and wrote shitheaps of inner monologue and navelgazing, and nobody can tell an actual story anymore.
Dialectic at work, ackshually. The synthesis is to portray the inner world via outer events.