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>>24467701 (OP)
How is it childish stupidity to return to a slightly altered former state? Modern western democracy was a sort of return to (Le Western) form, and no doubt if Christian Fascism took over, people like Pynchon would chase the same "childish stupidity":
>I don't like the way it came out, I want it to be my way.
These kinds of morally interpretive quotes are meaningless.

>>24467701 (OP)
Besides that, it isn't really special to guess that the dominant culture of a group would try to maintain its cultural dominance in some way and return to its former state. This isn't a unique or special observation. It would have been unique if he had done more than make some general guess that christians would be angry and want to make things less secular and liberal (thereby more fascist). It's just a trite quote.

that's such a juvenile view on fascism, no wonder trump got elected twice because liberal retards live in an echo chamber

I’m going to just start spouting off cryptic vague shit so years into the future people will be like “whoa that guy was a faggot!”

>>24467766
fascism is pretty juvenile tb h

>>24467775
No wonder the adults keep fumbling around. They still don't know how to handle the toddlers after 80 yrs.

>>24467775
Anyone that complains about Fascism is a retard.
>System from the 1940s...
>Everything bad is exactly that!

>>24467701 (OP)
I wish it were so. Unfortunately what we're getting is neoliberalism lite, big tech oligarchy, premillennial dispensationalism (Jew cuckoldry) and monopoly capitalism.
>fellforitagain.png

>>24467701 (OP)
>"I don't like the way it came out, I want it to be my way"

Well yeah, actually, that's the reason for doing fucking anything in politics. Anything in anything at all, really. You don't like the current state of affairs and want it to change. Did he really think that was profound?

>>24467778
>>24467789
True fascism ends violently. The purity spiral it generates is untenable, so eventually you will have to fight most of the population. First it expands like wildfire because it's seductive, then things get tighter and tighter until people suffocate and tragedy ensues. It's a system invented by and for psychopaths.

>>24467800
Franco managed it pretty well.

>>24467701 (OP)
No you can't just tell me there are things I don't like in the world no it's not fair I want everything to be perfect no boo hoo it's not exactly like my ideal wahhh

Shut the fuck up bitch ass motherfucker

>>24467808
Not actual fascism. He was a Catholic monarchist.

Load up your little fistlets and come fight us in the fucking streets like a man. Show us your special move. You won't do shit. Fascism is for retarded guido faggots from a century ago, we will deport every one of the cocksucking curry smelling immigrants you love back to their shithole countries and there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it pussy except whine like the impotent liberal manbun pronouns piece of shit you are. MAGA and eat a dick

>>24467800
>True Fascism
>Purity spiral
Thats a talking point straight out of a public school. Have you ever actually read Mussolini before?

>>24467701 (OP)
The hysteria against fascism and communism is so alien to me. Move on, these relics are done for and buried.

>>24467766
>>24467775
Yeah because letting 60 IQ niggers on benefits and women who only care about abortion law vote is very smart and mature! I love sending trillions of dollars of my tax money to Israel and supporting genocide! GTFO schlomo

>>24467759
>>24467766
>>24467769
>being mature is fighting antisemitism, goy

>>24467793
The only thing that could actually defeat capitalism is genuine fascism. We've already seen that communism doesn't have the gas to compete with capitalism, but fascism can do violence even better than capitalism can and that's the one thing that capitalism can't produce its way around. Money doesn't mean anything to the dead, after all.

Honestly it's the natural result of universal suffrage.

>>24467845
>the one thing capitalism can't produce its way around

>>24467845
All current talk about politics is fucked up and pozzed.

People don't understand our current system is a new invention that has miserably failed but will still take a few generations to completely collapse.

Women weren't even in the workforce 70 years ago

>>24467861
>Women weren't even in the workforce 70 years ago
Yes, they were. Maybe not in rich urban areas but in rural areas they definitely were in the workforce.

>>24467861
The REAL thing that needs to happen before any positive change is we have to break the Panopticon. The infinite surveillance, from the three-letter agencies, from Israel, from everybody with a vested interest in keeping the current system in power. It's their mightiest weapon because it prevents meaningful resistance to them forming. It needs to go, somehow, before any hope of change is to be had.

>>24467845
capitalism will always re emerge in a world with scarcity.

>Pynchon predicted the current US presidency
What?

>>24467883
Homosapiens have lived in a world of scarcity for hundreds of thousands of years. We've had capitalism for around 350 years. Fuck off. No, the status quo is not some unique exception to the rule. It is contingent, just like everything that came before it and everything that will come after it.

I do wonder if we're headed back to monarchism, rather than fascism. This whole "No Kings" protest paradoxically has put monarchy back on the mental map for the average normalfag, and Trump has repeatedly "joked" about being a king. Could we reach a point where he, or someone who comes after him, could really acclaim himself King of America and face no real resistance?

>>24467893
Only Trump has the sauce for that and he'll be dead before he has a chance. The US is going to spend the next 15-20 years minimum under the control of a committee of right-wing lawyers and 40-year-old groypers, none of whom will ever have their names known to the public.

>>24467864
Yes but what anon obviously means is that they didn't compete with men in the workforce on anywhere near the level they do today. And that's just one example of how anti human our current society is.

>>24467888
it is contigent on scarcity and a common currency, and as the world advances towards common standards eliminating capitalism becomes impossible, this is something you can't put back into pandora's box, btw your retarded argument assumes that language and tool use are some fluke that could be done away with while still maintaining some notion of society, capitalism is atool for extracting resources and rewarding labor, thinking you can get rid of that is juvenile

>>24467897
Fuck, a legion of crusty old conservative MIGA boomers is only a marginal improvement from the affluent white female liberal and nondescript brown hegemony. I hate this.

>>24467897
>Only Trump has the sauce for that and he'll be dead before he has a chance.

Do we know that? Nobody has the charisma to pull it off right now other than him, but somebody could come along unlooked-for. Napoleon was a total unknown before his rise to power. Cometh the hour, cometh the man, as they say. You never know who'll show up next. History is full of surprises.

>>24467893
I think a self-appointed king would face real resistance. That would be too much.
>>24467897
Trump is already destroying his legacy with the new war. If the US offensively enters the war I don't see Republicans winning anything in the nest few elections.

>>24467901
It's contingent on developed finance markets, state assurances of contracts, private property, etc. All very specific and very contingent aspects of social organisation that we have no reason at all to assume will last forever. There have been societies in living memory that have abolished one or all of them.

>>24467893
Maybe not a King per se but likely a Caesar type figure, if it's ever allowed to happen.
>>24467897
>The US is going to spend the next 15-20 years minimum under the control of a committee of right-wing lawyers and 40-year-old groypers, none of whom will ever have their names known to the public
Hopeful thinking, AIPAC is too strong for any kind of antisemite to have any position for at least the next 10 years, despite how the tides are turning as far as public support. 95% of their candidates are in power. They dominate both parties.

>>24467909
I'm mostly thinking about his age and poor health, although if somebody shot him it'd be fucking hilarious.
>>24467910
I'd like to be dismissive about the prospect of the US going to war with Iran, but I'm under no illusion that these people are all cartoonishly stupid.

>>24467913
What's needed to deal with the Jews is a great crisis. Something that rattles them loose of all their incentives and holds on power. A calamity striking Israel might do the trick, in which case we should all be rooting for Iran, I suppose.

>>24467909
Could happen but you might as well be gambling on an earthquake.

>>24467912
Societies in the minority don't mean anything. Once a fundamental tool's use has been established its almost impossible to eliminate. And no society has been able to get rid of money or scarcity which is more fundamental than whatever you listed.

>>24467918
Money and scarcity are not sufficient for the development of capitalism, and there's no reason to assume that capitalism is the most efficient mode of production conceivable involving them, or even that history exclusively selects for efficiency of production.

>>24467701 (OP)
go away

>>24467930
they don't need to be sufficient in the same way that language is not sufficient to create a society which invalidates your argument about efficiency, it's inefficient to walk in a world full of cars, horses, bicycles etc

>>24467701 (OP)
shitlibs crying fascism has been a thing since forever

>>24467933
I don't understand what that means. It's inefficient to walk and yet people still do it, but obviously walking has been supplanted as the principal means of transport by mechanical transport. Mechanical transport as we currently understand it might be similarly supplanted some day. I see what you're getting at.

>>24467938
of course you don't, people clamour for walkable streets while living in cities full of cars, just because capitalism might be inefficient doesn't mean you can eliminate it

Capitalism is here to stay. It won't die until humanity dies. It's a parasite.

>>24467941
People clamour for walkable streets, but nobody clamours to ride a horse through town except maybe as a novelty. The claim was that nothing suggests that capitalism will continue to be the most efficient mode of production, or that history selects primarily for efficiency. None of this so far has been contradictory to that.

>>24467949
as far as production goes, efficiency is selected for every single time, history shows this pretty well

>>24467816
Lol

>>24467874
We won’t

>>24467816
Magacucks are limpwristed faggots. Liberals have constantly shown that they have far bigger balls than you incel cucks. If you had any there'd be no protests to begin with. Look at your army ffs