This Side Of Paradise - /lit/ (#24469701) [Archived: 1035 hours ago]

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6/16/2025, 1:07:55 AM No.24469701
ThisSideOfParadise
ThisSideOfParadise
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>Fitzgerald wrote a richly detailed, timeless novel about the rise and fall of a young, blackpilled NEETcel with a worthless degree who became politically radicalized as a result over a century ago
Really prescient stuff here. I'm even more impressed by the fact that this was his debut given how dynamic the prose is.
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6/16/2025, 3:29:12 AM No.24470015
>>24469701 (OP)
who cares
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:43:05 AM No.24470044
I read This Side of Paradise eons ago and all I remember is bad poetry and a rando play shoehorned in there.
I remember finishing it and thinking it was not worth reading.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:21:58 AM No.24470135
>>24469701 (OP)
The conclusion was incredibly powerful (in the car with the fallen schoolmate's father); yeah, very impressive debut.
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6/16/2025, 4:29:01 AM No.24470144
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>>24470015
many of us, this kind of thing is exactly why we're here.
so, why are you here?
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6/16/2025, 6:06:35 AM No.24470334
>>24470044
You should reread it. The poetry is indeed deliberately silly, but it plays a valuable role in establishing the MC as somebody who is incredibly pretentious, delusional, and up his own ass about everything.
>rando play shoehorned in there
It wasn't a play, it was a part written like a screenplay/script for both dramatic effect and so you couldn't hear the inner thoughts of the characters in those scenes.
>I remember finishing it and thinking it was not worth reading.
I just read it for the first time and I was very impressed by how ahead of it's time it was. Maybe reading it now as opposed to whenever you read it would allow you to appreciate its themes and story given they're more relevant than ever.
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6/16/2025, 6:34:16 AM No.24470388
>>24470334
>part written like a screenplay/script for both dramatic effect
So was Fitzgerald pomo before pomo?
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6/16/2025, 6:52:54 AM No.24470432
>>24470388
A lot of postmodernists (particularly absurdists and existentialists) like Camus ripped heavily from American lost generation writers like Fitzgerald and Hemingway, so in a way yes. I was really caught off-guard and surprised by it when I encountered it in the book given you usually don't see stuff like that until the 50s or 60s.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 6:54:45 AM No.24470435
Liked This side of paradise and Beautiful and damned more than his other novels, including Keksby.
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6/16/2025, 10:19:15 AM No.24470709
>>24470435
>Beautiful and damned
What is it you like about B&D? I always hear negative to mixed things about it in contrast to other works of his.
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6/16/2025, 11:18:16 AM No.24470763
>>24470709
Don't remember specific details, but the overall atmosphere felt nice. Bittersweet nostalgia with a sprinkle of decadence.
It's a bit similar to what I felt when reading Impatience of the Heart by Stefan Zweig. I was struck by dissimilarity between life depicted and my own / current world. Yet drawn to its charm.
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6/16/2025, 1:37:47 PM No.24470914
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85a
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:47:10 PM No.24471249
>>24470709
B&D's his easiest to read, really just a Modernist potboiler; Tender is the Night his most difficult. I pretty much like all he wrote
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6/16/2025, 8:11:36 PM No.24471672
>>24471249
>B&D's his easiest to read, really just a Modernist potboiler
Nice
>Tender is the Night his most difficult.
It's my favorite of his (and probably my favorite fictional novel).
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6/16/2025, 10:15:04 PM No.24471914
>>24471249
>>24471672

>Tender is the Night his most difficult.
Is this better than Gatsby?
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6/16/2025, 11:23:36 PM No.24472109
>>24470015
>He asked, in the board dedicated to the discussion of literature.
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 12:54:02 AM No.24472259
>>24471914
Gatsby has the buzz of youth and broken dreams = coming of age
Tender is more about the static pressures of early middle age as they swell into crises = tragedy
>favorite fictional novel
Based. Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite nonfiction novel? For me, it's probably Delillo's Libra
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Anonymous
6/17/2025, 12:56:14 AM No.24472263
>>24471672
Second part of the previous post was intended for YOU, anon
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6/17/2025, 8:33:47 AM No.24473176
stormofsteel
stormofsteel
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>>24472259
>what's your favorite nonfiction novel
So far, I'd say Storm of Steel. It's a book that completely changed my views about the nature of history, politics, culture, and war. It probably had more of an impact on me personally given I started reading it in early 2022 right before Ukraine kicked off and finished it in March when the war really became the war. I saw all the experiences the book autistically detailed happening in real-time on both sides, and it even made me rethink and re-evaluate my family history and what it meant to be a man.
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6/17/2025, 7:27:30 PM No.24474136
>>24470044
>filtered
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6/18/2025, 1:05:38 AM No.24474906
>>24474136
Unironically he was
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6/18/2025, 2:21:22 AM No.24475097
>>24473176
Isn't this the book by the Game of Thrones guy?
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6/18/2025, 6:11:30 AM No.24475433
>>24475097
2/10 bait, have a (You)
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6/18/2025, 9:56:46 AM No.24475677
IMG_6758
IMG_6758
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Open very first page, and he misspelled Wildeโ€™s name while quoting him. Yes, this is the first edition. Iโ€™m actually looking forward to reading this. This somehow made the book more endearing. Good start!
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6/18/2025, 10:47:38 AM No.24475738
>>24475677
>Yes, this is the first edition.
Did you have it on your shelf, or did you buy it? I couldn't imagine a book like this would be cheap for a first edition in mint condition.
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6/18/2025, 11:51:09 AM No.24475802
>>24473176
I hadn't read any Jรผnger until this past January, and though Glass Bees was a maddening little tale, the writing was superb. I'll take your post as a rec and check SoS out.
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6/18/2025, 12:21:20 PM No.24475840
>>24475802
>I'll take your post as a rec and check SoS out.
SoS is a monumental work of non-fiction given every single war memoir has essentially been a riff on it ever since it was published. It almost singlehandedly changed the way people saw and understood war in fiction and non-fiction alike, and if you're a history buff the book is a treasure trove of first-hand WWI accounts from a man who served in combat for the duration of the entire war on the Western Front.
If you want something a little different, I'd highly recommend On The Marble Cliffs (a brilliant, bizarre, almost Ghibliesque book published in 1939 about the rise of dual dictatorships in a deceptively tranquil forested seaside community in a setting beyond place and time, told from the PoV of a botanist and his family; many literary critics believe the book predicted the World Wars, the rise of Hitler and Stalin, the death of pre-WWI European culture, and the tragic destruction of the environment caused by industrial warfare and the ensuing commercialism), Aladdin's Problem (a 1983 novella about the globe-trotting misadventures of an East German army defector that reads like a European cross between A Confederacy Of Dunces and On The Road), or Eumeswil (an abstract, post-apocalyptic sci-fi novel about a historian in Morocco who ponders his existence while serving in the royal court of a local warlord).
The man was an incredible talent (and frankly, incredible man given the life he lived) who I'm very happy has a growing following here in the States given his popularity and influence was always confined to mainland Europe in his lengthy lifetime.