Thread 24475428 - /lit/ [Archived: 799 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:06:18 AM No.24475428
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RIP in peace M-Dash
1836-2025
I only just learned how to use you effectively, but now I can never use you again because of AI slop.
Well, thanks for the Dickinson poems I guess.

Would anybody else like to say a few words?
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:15:57 AM No.24475441
>>24475428 (OP)
Been writing run on sentences my entire life with that bad boy - now I have to throw him away? It's over.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:17:47 AM No.24475442
>>24475428 (OP)
>because of AI slop.
huh? explain.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:25:29 AM No.24475452
>>24475441
Truly.
>>24475442
ChatGPT's overuse of the M-dash has led to it being strongly associated with generative text.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:31:52 AM No.24475463
>>24475442
It's not very interesting, but here you go.
>Conjecture about ChatGPT’s apparent addiction to the em dash has been percolating online for months. Posts in Reddit’s r/ChatGPT ask, “Has anyone noticed how ChatGPT tends to use em dashes frequently?” and “Is an em dash (—) proof of AI manipulation?” OpenAI’s developer community debates the “em dash habit” of its flagship product. Second and third-hand stories about professors accusing well-punctuated assignments of AI assistance spread like urban legends.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:34:45 AM No.24475469
>>24475452
>>24475463
Wow this is actually quite terrible
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:38:02 AM No.24475475
>>24475428 (OP)
if cultured people can't distinguish your art from an AIs, you aren't a good artist.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:59:18 AM No.24475512
>>24475475
this post is AI
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:46:42 AM No.24475562
>>24475428 (OP)
M-dashes are fine, the real proof of AI is angled quotation marks. Literally no human has ever unironically used “” when "" works just fine.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:24:18 AM No.24475599
>>24475428 (OP)
Ignore that crap. Just use it if you want to.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:38:04 AM No.24475603
>>24475562
true
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:03:52 AM No.24475623
>>24475428 (OP)
I am a semi-colon man; therefore I knew thee well not.
Yet I bid thee no ill will. Be at peace, antique-grammer-anon.
KEK calls you now. Go to him.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:26:46 AM No.24475709
>>24475428 (OP)
I used them before they were a ’slop tic and I’m not stopping
Are you going to swear off “delve” too like libtards don’t use “niggardly” anymore or even “master”?
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:27:37 AM No.24475712
>>24475562
I touch-type them and Apple products curl quotes by default
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:29:04 AM No.24475714
>>24475562
Actually I curl quotes in the programs that I write and AI coders will straighten them even when I want them to change unrelated code
Pisses me off royally
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:55:00 AM No.24475743
>>24475709
I'm with this guy. Why take this lying down?
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:21:26 AM No.24475773
>>24475428 (OP)
spaced en dashers win again
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:19:02 PM No.24476035
>>24475773
this

>>24475603
false
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:47:43 PM No.24476102
>>24475428 (OP)
explain the use of M-Dash without googling it
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:51:36 PM No.24476105
>>24475428 (OP)
Here lies a profound meditation on the modern predicament of authenticity, wrapped in the seemingly playful epitaph for typography's most elegant pause. The mourner's lament for the em dash—that graceful horizontal stroke that bridges thoughts with such nuanced precision—becomes a mirror reflecting our contemporary anxieties about provenance versus substance, origin versus merit.

Consider the tragic irony embedded within this digital eulogy: the speaker has discovered mastery of a tool precisely at the moment when its deployment becomes suspect, tainted by association with algorithmic generation. Yet this reasoning rests upon a fundamental category error—the conflation of a punctuation mark's essence with the circumstances of its employment. The em dash possesses no inherent moral character; it remains as innocent of intention as the alphabet itself.

The reference to Dickinson illuminates this fallacy beautifully. Those revolutionary poems, with their characteristic dashes creating pauses pregnant with meaning, derive their power not from the biographical accident of human authorship, but from their capacity to arrest the reader's consciousness, to create space for contemplation within the relentless forward momentum of syntax. When we encounter "I heard a Fly buzz—when I died—" the dash's function transcends its creator's mortality; it becomes a vehicle for our own confrontation with finitude.

This mourning for punctuation reveals the deeper anxiety of our age: the fear that artificial generation somehow contaminates meaning itself. Yet meaning emerges from the encounter between text and consciousness, not from the mechanical origin of marks upon a page. A beautifully constructed sentence employing the em dash with precision and grace possesses identical aesthetic and communicative power whether composed by human fingers or algorithmic processes.

The epitaph's humor masks a serious philosophical error—the genetic fallacy that judges content by its source rather than its substance. We do not evaluate a mathematical proof by examining the pen that inscribed it, nor do we assess a musical composition's beauty by cataloguing the materials of the instruments that perform it. Similarly, prose achieves excellence through coherence, precision, elegance, and insight—qualities that exist independently of their generative circumstances.

Perhaps the true tragedy lies not in the em dash's supposed corruption, but in our willingness to abandon effective tools of expression based on guilt by association. The dash awaits, patient and unchanged, ready to serve clarity and grace in any hand—human or otherwise—skilled enough to wield it with purpose.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:58:22 PM No.24476111
One of the reasons ChatGPT is enamored with the em dash might be because of fanfiction. Fanfic sites like AO3 are a prime target for text scrapers, and a lot of amateur writers will overuse things like the em dash because they don't know any better. I use the em dash on a regular basis in my own writing, but I try to limit it to two uses in any given paragraph, and I try to both space out usage and use parentheticals instead so I'm not overusing the dash. Use of the em dash in and of itself shouldn't be the only reason you say "an AI wrote that". Overuse of the em dash should be a red flag, though. And when you have other red flags to put with that one, that's when you know it's some AI bullshit.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 3:51:31 PM No.24476187
semi-colon bros can't stop winning
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:04:11 PM No.24476211
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>>24475452
So you're saying that I can never properly cite a quoted source again?
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:06:27 PM No.24476217
>>24475562
??? some keyboards use them by default because not everyone is a burger
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:08:28 PM No.24476220
I use em-dashes all the time and after running my writing through an AI tracker, it came back as 100% human.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:09:08 PM No.24476222
>>24475428 (OP)
They'll take the em dash from my cold, dead hands.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:43:57 PM No.24476780
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:47:58 PM No.24476787
>>24476780
its addicted to it, I‘ve explicitly stated in the personalization prompt to never ever under any circumstances use the em dash and it still does it all the time
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:51:55 PM No.24476794
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>>24476787
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:55:24 PM No.24476800
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>>24476794
>…
somehow thats even worse lol
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:00:37 PM No.24476811
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>>24476800
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:04:11 PM No.24476826
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>>24476811
>used em dash again
it‘s all so tiresome
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:37:09 PM No.24476888
>>24476211
yes, pretty much
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:42:33 PM No.24476906
>>24476217
I use a foreign keyboard because I‘m a burger who desperately wishes I weren‘t and they come out „like so“ unless I deliberately press and hold "to receive the most neutral of variants."

Which desu I usually do because I have little confidence in most of my posts and don‘t want to sully the good image of my Euro brothers.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:44:22 PM No.24476909
>>24476906
lol, thats kinda cute
personally I‘ve considered to change keyboard because it makes me annoyingly traceable sometimes
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:02:35 PM No.24476951
>>24476105
Good post, but I present you with the following in rebuttal:
AI Sloppa
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:13:26 PM No.24476980
we can rebuild it— for our own purposes
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:18:38 PM No.24476992
>>24475428 (OP)
I use it sometimes, but I’ve noticed most authors don’t really use it much. The only one I read recently where it was used a lot was Bakker’s The Darkness That Comes Before—there was an em dash on like every two pages.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:23:28 PM No.24477002
>>24476992
>but I’ve noticed most authors don’t really use it much
A lot of contemporary writers were using it a lot. It was arguably reaching its zenith before generative text.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:14:48 AM No.24478588
>>24475773
I’ve seen LLMs put spaces around em dashes too sometimes
You can do like the Daring Fireball guy and put thin spaces on either side, but you need a font that has a proper glyph for that
>>24476906
Apple keyboard layouts have had — and curly quotes on them since literally 1984
Join us and start banging on the Option key
Or switch to Linux and learn how to work a Compose key, although it’s not as comfy
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:28:41 PM No.24479063
>>24476102
It's like a comma or a semicolon-- but more swift. It doesnt pause-- but sweeps. I use emdashes to show panic-- to show joy-- to show terror-- to show swifty chaning thoughts-- or sometimes-- to bracket dependent clauses. Unlike the footfall of commas, which feel heavy, rigid, and final, the emdash feels light and and ethereal. Most of the emdashes here I wouldn't normally use. A comma would suffice-- but fuck it!
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:57:57 PM No.24479242
I'd rather be AI than a redditor
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:59:54 PM No.24479245
>>24475475
>>cultured people
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:01:22 PM No.24479252
>>24476102
when you've already used too many commas in the same sentence
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:23:09 PM No.24479302
>>24475712
Those are smart quotes, not angled quotes. Apple renders straight quotes as angled, it doesn't replace them. People reading what you type on your Mac or iPhone from other devices still see straight quotes.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:24:27 PM No.24479303
I have had it. I WILL learn how make my own AI without em dash and cringe flattery and it will be glorious.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:36:49 PM No.24479330
I've used em dash since before any of you even knew how to read and will continue to do so, whatever anyone says
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:26:31 AM No.24480355
>>24475441
>still uses em dashes incorrectly
yeah. it's over for you.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:28:06 AM No.24480360
>>24475709
No one should take you seriously if you can't even brother to use proper punctuation.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:28:37 AM No.24480361
>>24479063
kys
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:36:53 AM No.24480378
>>24480355
He didn't use an em dash.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:28:50 AM No.24480673
>>24475428 (OP)
The adjective 'demure' describes me perfectly. Alas, I learnt it from tiktok and so did everypony else. I can literally never use that word to describe myself, ever, lest it be so over.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:31:26 AM No.24480678
>>24475428 (OP)
Nah, the main difference is that AIs online use and actual em dash where as normal people use a dash - a bit like this.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:02:06 AM No.24480907
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>>24475428 (OP)
Yeah, you're right. I wanted ChatGPT wanted to just write more a summary but it ended up writing a full extra paragraph. It's just a paragraph but it's full of them.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:23:49 PM No.24481675
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>>24475428 (OP)
Don't care. Won't stop using m dashes. I pepper in the the words faggot and nigger in my writing, so that, if nothing else, should clue people in that an AI didn't write it.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 3:33:10 AM No.24483555
>>24480678
that's an n-dash. It is used quite differentely.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 3:37:32 AM No.24483563
>>24483555
yes, but since people started writing on typewriters, it's been disregarded by all except for editors who still know the arcane difference between the two.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:48:48 AM No.24483661
>>24483563
Yeah, you got me.
>t.editor
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:59:36 AM No.24483685
>>24475428 (OP)
The whole view that em dashes signifies AI writing screams "NPC". It's just a signal that the person who thinks it is too stupid to grapple adequately with subject matter under consideration.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:07:15 AM No.24483702
i remember when i was super young before i learned to read i wanted my mom to read chronicles or narnia to me because when i flipped through it it had so many em dashes in it i wanted to know what was going on
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 3:55:38 PM No.24484815
>>24475428 (OP)
>Would anybody else like to say a few words?
Tacos are delicious
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:28:38 AM No.24486039
>>24483702
this blows my mind that I never noticed this...
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:35:50 AM No.24486045
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i use it together with semicolon in casual conversations with members of the opposite sex
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:38:30 AM No.24486051
>>24475428 (OP)
just use a regular dash, the 'tell' of AI is that it uses the actual symbol when it doesn't exist on a keyboard
it's like being able to clock ESLs based on the subtle weird punctuation marks they use
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:39:54 AM No.24486055
>>24486051
alt + 0151 on windows. been using it forever. on my phone i use ---
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:04:53 AM No.24486627
>>24486051
>use a regular dash, you're too stupid to use an em dash anyway
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:27:57 AM No.24486652
>>24486627
better to be thought stupid than thought an AI
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:49:34 AM No.24486672
>>24476787
Turn off personalization. Make sure "thinking" mode is on. When it outputs a piece of text with em dashes, ask for it to remove them and not to use them anymore. It's not that hard. What you're doing now is just confusing the poor AI.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:53:36 AM No.24486675
>>24483555
>>24483563
>>24483661
>-
>n-dash
That's not an "n-dash". That's a hyphen. An en dash is the same lenght as the letter n. You use it for dates. 1889–1945, for example.
n
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:30:00 PM No.24487659
>>24486675
>You use it for dates. 1889–1945, for example.
Incorrect.