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Anonymous No.24476268 [Report] >>24476276 >>24476297 >>24476378 >>24476961 >>24477078 >>24477708 >>24477723 >>24478007 >>24478702
Did the Greeks ever say anything similar
in regard to physical strength or athleticism?
I don't mean anything generic like "being fit is beneficial/good" but specifically that it made a person supreme.
Anonymous No.24476276 [Report] >>24476290
>>24476268 (OP)
do you want to put that quote on a T-shirt
Anonymous No.24476290 [Report]
>>24476276
No.Why do you ask?
Anonymous No.24476297 [Report] >>24476318
>>24476268 (OP)
>"The Greeks"
most relevant canonical example would be Thrasymachus
Anonymous No.24476318 [Report] >>24476415 >>24477708
>>24476297
Your greentext made me realize that I don't have to limit the scope of the question. So are there similar sentiments expressed by anyone notable anywhere in history?
Anonymous No.24476378 [Report] >>24477044
>>24476268 (OP)
Regarding physical appearance
Anonymous No.24476415 [Report] >>24476904
>>24476318
I was making fun of you for being too broad. The association between strength and goodness was so strong in Greece that it almost never had to be articulated. The only reason that Thrasymachus states his case so clearly is so that Plato can argue against him in the rest of the Republic.

The Genealogy of Morals is a good explanation of this, especially the philological argument. The main argument of the Genealogy is that the association between strength and goodness is default for most societies before the growth of a priestly class.
Anonymous No.24476431 [Report] >>24476446
fitness doesn't mean shit. a couple hundred guys can topple the tyrannies - because they're so highly respected the people won't oppose them.

Thraysbulus and Timoleon come to mind.
Read Xenophon and Plutarch you gym-bro fools.
Anonymous No.24476446 [Report] >>24476462 >>24477076
>>24476431
What do you have against being fit? Before technological advancement, it was the might of muscle that forged and maintained empires.
Anonymous No.24476462 [Report] >>24476877
>>24476446
NOTHING but its NOT essential and you are STUPID AND A FAGGOT AND WRONG

do you think the CITIES liberated by Timoleon or Thrasybulus gave a fuck how big their muscles were?

DO YOU THINK YOUR MUSCLES MATTER IN A PLACE LIKE THIS
Anonymous No.24476877 [Report]
>>24476462
> I thought muscles didn't matter
>Even with shrewd tactics you still need to be physically able to fight
>If I neglect my body, will it affect my ability to strategize properly?
>You cannot have a fit mind without a fit body
Anonymous No.24476904 [Report]
>>24476415
Thanks
Anonymous No.24476940 [Report] >>24476960 >>24479438
Where does Plato say this, does anyone know?
Anonymous No.24476960 [Report]
>>24476940
probably in greece
Anonymous No.24476961 [Report] >>24477044
>>24476268 (OP)
Anonymous No.24477044 [Report]
>>24476378
>>24476961
?
Anonymous No.24477076 [Report] >>24477439
>>24476446
before technological advancement everyone was a natty :)
Anonymous No.24477078 [Report]
>>24476268 (OP)
I asked AI about this quote and it said:

The sentence “Beauty is natural superiority” does not appear anywhere in the Greek texts of Plato or in the standard English translations of his dialogues. The earliest verifiable source for wording that closely matches the modern quotation is Joseph Addison’s essay in The Spectator, No. 39 (14 April 1711), where he writes that “Beauty is a kind of natural superiority.” Later writers—Francis Hutcheson, for example—reused Addison’s phrasing, and twenty-first-century quotation sites have gradually misattributed it to Plato, probably because “beauty” is a theme that Plato does discuss at length.

As Addison uses it, the sentence is a social observation rather than a philosophical thesis: physical attractiveness, being immediately perceived and requiring no acquired skill or rank, confers an effortless advantage over others because people spontaneously defer to what pleases the eye. It is not a claim about intrinsic moral worth or about the metaphysical status of beauty. Plato, by contrast, treats beauty (kallos) as a pointer toward the Forms and ultimately toward the Good; for him, the experience of beauty can elevate the soul, but he never reduces it to a worldly “superiority.” Thus, attributing Addison’s remark to Plato not only misquotes the source but also misrepresents Platonic aesthetics.
Anonymous No.24477439 [Report]
>>24477076
Now no one is :(
Anonymous No.24477708 [Report]
>>24476268 (OP)
>>24476318
There's a Socrates quote out there somewhere pertaining physical fitness. I think Seneca recalled it on one of his letters
Anonymous No.24477723 [Report] >>24477846
>>24476268 (OP)
When Athenians invaded Melians.

"The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."
Anonymous No.24477846 [Report]
>>24477723
Why were the Melians weak?
Anonymous No.24478007 [Report] >>24479193
>>24476268 (OP)
I don't think this sentence means what you and the retard who made this image think it means.

>Beauty is a natural superiority
>Beauty is natural superiority
These are very different statements.
Anonymous No.24478702 [Report] >>24479883
>>24476268 (OP)
Anonymous No.24478711 [Report]
The greeks associated beauty with moral virtues, they even have a word for it, kalokagathia, kalos (beautiful) + agathos (good).
Anonymous No.24479193 [Report]
>>24478007
What's the difference?
Anonymous No.24479438 [Report]
>>24476940
I don't think it's a direct quote from any dialogue. Beauty in at least several of Plato's dialogues is understood as a "natural superiority" in contrast to a trained superiority like athletics.
Anonymous No.24479883 [Report]
>>24478702
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