Thread 24477761 - /lit/ [Archived: 908 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:44:37 AM No.24477761
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I grew up religious because of my Catholic father and found meaning in faith as a child. After he left, I gradually lost my belief and eventually abandoned religion. As an adult, I miss the structure and purpose faith gave me, but I can't seem to believe in God anymore no matter how hard I try. Is there a way to recover that sense of meaning? Any books for this?
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:46:24 AM No.24477764
>>24477761 (OP)
Just stop not believing in Jesus, bro.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:53:13 AM No.24477772
>>24477761 (OP)
Quran
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:06:16 AM No.24477800
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>>24477761 (OP)
Catholicism doesn't teach believing in Jesus, it teaches believing in religious rituals and traditions of men and pagan idolatry and their infallible "One Holy" Catholic church with their vicar of hell their "Holy Father" popes -- the only One Holy is God, not a church created by a Roman emperor in the 4th century through ecumenical council -- the only Holy Father is God the Father, not some sinful man. The Catholic church literally teaches that it's a sin to believe what Jesus taught. They call it the "sin of presumption", to "presume" you know you're going to heaven; but Jesus said anyone who believes in him has eternal life.
>John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1st John 5 is the most solid chapter on eternal life being given to those who believe, the moment they believe.
>I. John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

If you want faith in God, then read His Word (the preserved Bible, not the corrupt versions translated from corrupted manuscripts which the Roman Catholic Chruch promotes for their Alexandrian priest cult). You could watch some sermons from baptist pastors on the doctrine of salvation or eternal life.
https://files.catbox.moe/4hvdqp.mp4
>Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

If you want your "faith" back in your pagan idolatrous religious cult, then I'm not going to help you with that.
>Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
The Bible calls commanding to abstain from meats and forbidding to marry doctrines of devils, the Catholic church teaches both of those things.
>I. Timothy 4:1-3 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Further, the Bible explicitly commands that Bishops must be married; another Biblical doctrine the Roman Catholic cult completely contradicts.
>I. Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

It's up to you, it's your choice. Believe the truth of God and His Word, or believe the lies of man and his traditions and rituals that do not save anyone because they teach a false works-based salvation. Salvation is either by works, or by grace; it's one or the other, there's no mixing of the two.
>Romans 11:6, Romans 4:6
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:08:31 AM No.24477805
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>>24477800
>Salvation is either by works, or by grace; it's one or the other, there's no mixing of the two.
And this is important because true Biblical salvation gives all the glory to God. Man's false religions want to glory in themselves and what they've done and their own righteousnesses, which the Bible calls filthy rags.

Mary's also not a comediatrix, only Jesus saves.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:49:00 AM No.24477874
>>24477805
Shouldn't the Antioch Bible and not the KJV be the closest text to the true Word of God for English speakers, since it's translated directly from the Peshitta to modern English instead of going through half a dozen intermediaries?
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:35:55 AM No.24477961
>>24477761 (OP)
not /lit. go away.

can we get a religion containment thread?
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:43:06 PM No.24479189
>>24477761 (OP)
bible
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:50:03 PM No.24479215
>>24477761 (OP)

Same shit with me and my grandmom who was very religious. Under her influence I became almost a semi teenage monk. And after that influence was gone, I became less and less religious until I stopped believing in God altogether.

One thing I believe is that your lack of structure and faith is not a result of losing religion but modern life itself. Though one could say that losing faith in religion itself was a consequence of modern life. I think you should develop some principles to anchor yourself on even if believing in those principles seem as fake as believing in God. But whatever helps you navigate this world
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 4:58:12 PM No.24479243
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>>24477761 (OP)
>Any books for this?
Confessions by Saint Augustine
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:05:55 PM No.24479264
>>24477874
He only knows English, let him ramble
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:21:20 PM No.24479300
>>24477805
just convert to Islam if you want to obsess over text that much
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:43:47 PM No.24479604
>>24477761 (OP)
You gradually accepted the fact that religion is absurd and there is no god. Why would you want that back?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:00:56 PM No.24480154
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>>24477874
The KJB was translated out of the original tongues.

And you're operating on a fallacy of the "telephone game" which is just plain stupid because it's not comparable to the telephone game when you have a copy of a manuscript and you're diligently copying it to new sheets. The vast majority of manuscripts agree with the only difference being spellings of names of people or places. You're also operating on the fallacy of "oldest = best" which the Jesuits promote since they promote counterfeits which had the pages dyed to look older than it is like the Codex Sinaiticus (the pages which were removed before the dying took places are still white and there is testimony of people claiming the pages were all white). And the Codex Vaticanus was completely overwritten in the 14th or 15th century so it's completely unreliable from a paleographic point of view (there's even a note from some Catholic scribe calling someone a fool and knave for changing the text), I don't remember exactly when but I could look it up again if I cared enough. Modern "textual criticism" is literally just part of the Catholic cult's counter-reformation and Jesuits infiltrated and subverted most of the Bible colleges and seminaries: Just look at the books they use, you'll often see "S.I." next to author names (or society of Jesus, the Jesuits).

And here's the big one: You're also operating on the fallacy that God isn't capable of preserving his word as he promised to do, so you basically call God a liar when he said he'd preserve his words. This is what all Catholics are guilty of, they believe and their cult teaches that God isn't powerful enough to preserve his words and that God wasn't capable of writing a book in a way that man could understand; that's their whole argument for their cult hierarchy "magisterium" which they raise above Scripture in practice (even if they claim it's equal on paper, their cult leaders are raised above God's Word). That's how the pope can get up in the middle of the 19th or 20th century (again, don't care to look to see when exactly) and claim Mary ascended into heaven and we're all just supposed to believe that's the word of God. No, the Bible says Jesus ascended into heaven.

And the first pic I posted shows that even back in the Old Testament, the Bible had corrupted versions, and some of the epistles, I think one Paul wrote or maybe Peter, mentioned that people were writing counterfeit epistles. Then there's the fact that the minority text manuscripts which modern "textual critics" (who are either Jesuits or even sometimes atheists and open sodomites) don't even agree with each other and don't even contain the full bible. Then people who subscribe to modern "textual criticism" have said they'd be willing to change literally any verse based on any spurious scrap of paper they found in a cave in the desert-- because they don't believe God who promised multiple times to preserve his words and that his words would never perish.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:02:13 PM No.24480156
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>>24479264
The Bible says change your mind, not pay a fee/indulgence to the Catholic cult.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:03:23 PM No.24480158
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>>24479300
Just go back to /lgbt/ if you're only going to make low-quality shitposts.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:37:16 PM No.24480232
>>24477761 (OP)
Read "Five Proofs of the Existence of God" by Edward Feser.
Also, looking at atheists trying to create cope, idiotic explanations of miracles is something that might help you regain your faith. It shows they are not really neutral and that they are not people who will "just look at evidence".
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:03:45 AM No.24480305
>>24480154
>And here's the big one: You're also operating on the fallacy that God isn't capable of preserving his word as he promised to do, so you basically call God a liar when he said he'd preserve his words.
Aren't you the one doing that, since you're the one claiming that all Bibles newer than 1611 are corrupted?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:05:00 AM No.24480309
>>24480232
Let your god show himself. That's what your invisible silent creation needs to do. He wasn't silent in the Old Testament, why not a few utterances now?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:06:09 AM No.24480310
>>24480305
>Aren't you the one doing that, since you're the one claiming that all Bibles newer than 1611 are corrupted?
Not that anon but obviously the answer is no, because you can keep printing the accurate translation of 1611 as many times as you want.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:17:00 AM No.24480331
>>24480305
Where did I say that you dishonest subhuman retarded faggot? If they translated from corrupted manuscripts (which most modern versions are), then they're corrupt versions. God already translated His Word into English, he doesn't have to keep doing it again and again and again and again.

I swear, /lit/ is the DUMBEST board on all of 4chan, yet the retards on this board think they're so clever and witty and smart. Do the world a favor and fucking kill yourself.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:20:17 AM No.24480338
>>24480310
>>24480154
Okay, he's claiming that all versions newer than 1611 are corrupted. I also don't see why he would consider the KJV, which relies heavily on 16th century translations that rely heavily on the Vulgate, to be a more accurate rendition of the original text than a direct translation into contemporary English. It's not a matter of "old good" or "old bad," it's just an issue of (a) the telephone game, which is apparently an issue because he considers most modern Bibles to be corrupted, and (b) if the truth of the Bible transcends the words chosen by the translators, then it would probably be more beneficial to read the bible in contemporary English rather than a transitional dialect between early and modern English.

>>24480331
Okay, so modern versions not translated from corrupted text (like the Antioch Bible, translated from the Peshitta) are not corrupted? So what makes the KJV superior to those versions?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:23:32 AM No.24480347
>>24480331
What a wonderful, uplifting, Christian sentiment. I can see god lies within you.
>typical Christian bullshit asshole
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:30:03 AM No.24480365
>>24477761 (OP)
You need structure, not god. A meaningful career, a family, a hobby or interest. You can't make yourself believe, and it would be pointless to do so. Do you really want to be yet another religious schizo rambler that ruins this board? Do anything else.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:41:02 AM No.24480385
>>24480331
One time I was drinking with friends downtown and this crazy, manic skinny young guy came up to us ranting and raving about God and the KJV. I tried to le debate him with Catholic apologetics but I think it was all fairly cringe on both sides (hazy memories). Whenever I see these posts I wonder if it's the same guy. I do remember asking him 'How did you get into KJV onlyism?' and he said 'MULTIPLE SUICIDE ATTEMPTS'.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:42:10 AM No.24480389
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>>24480338
>I also don't see why he would consider the KJV, which relies heavily on 16th century translations that rely heavily on the Vulgate
It's based on the original languages. The Geneva Bible was also based on the original languages as well.

>to be a more accurate rendition of the original text than a direct translation into contemporary English.
Because the modern translations are using the "critical text" as mentioned earlier. It is missing entire verses in some places, and has thousands of smaller differences where words are removed or changed elsewhere.

>then it would probably be more beneficial to read the bible in contemporary English rather than a transitional dialect between early and modern English.
The King James Bible basically became a cornerstone of modern English actually. If you look at Samuel Johnson's Dictionary of the English Language or Noah Webster's Dictionary (for American English), you see that they are citing the KJV Bible verses as examples of how English words are used. So by definition, the KJV cannot be considered inaccurate without also questioning the 18th and 19th century dictionaries that used it profusely as an example of accurate English.

Because of the above, and also because the KJV was revised to make its spelling of words consistent in the year 1769, there is no reason to claim that its language is not the standard form of English. Furthermore, no English speaker who actually wants to make an effort to learn will have trouble with reading it. Furthermore still, other modern translations contain examples of confusing language (compare Judges 8:13 in the KJV versus the NKJV for example). And arguing this point even further, there is a large body of commentary for the KJV that will provide more assistance than you would get for most other translations, which have only appeared in modern times, in avoiding misunderstandings.

So considering all this, the whole argument that the KJV as an English translation is "hard to read" really makes no sense in actuality. And I should also say that if you wanted to have a translation at the reading level of Dr. Seuss books where you never find a word you haven't seen before, you would invariably have to sacrifice accuracy.

I hope that this helped to answer your question anon.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:49:53 AM No.24480406
niggas really in here arguing what counts as the true word of god when in reality it's all just books written by bored and/or high dudes. none of you have any concrete proof that any of these texts were divinely inspired. unless god shows himself to me in person i will never belive, cunt needs to answer my prayers or i aint lighting a candle or even one of my farts in his name
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:03:33 AM No.24480435
>>24477761 (OP)
Pray the rosary, anon. Don't take my word for it: Learn how to do it, do it every day for a month, and see for yourself.
Faith isn't rational; it's volitional, so to speak.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:08:13 AM No.24480446
>>24480389
>The KJV was written in contemporary English because 300+ year old dictionaries use it as an example
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:09:19 AM No.24480450
>>24477761 (OP)

You should read the Doctrine of Awakening by Evola.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:30:00 AM No.24480752
>>24480446
1755 (Johnson) and 1828 (Webster). There was early modern English in the 17th century, which matured into the standard modern English thanks to, and precisely because of the influence of the KJV and to some extent other literature also written around the same time.

I don't care if you speak ebonics or whatever.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:30:47 AM No.24480753
>>24477761 (OP)
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6/20/2025, 4:47:23 AM No.24480788
>>24477761 (OP)


FAITH IS GRASPED WITH REASON.

READ THEOLOGY, AND UNDERSTAND, SO THAT YOU CAN BELIEVE.

YOU SHOULD ALSO ATTEND MASS.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:48:12 AM No.24480789
Religion is bullshit
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6/20/2025, 4:52:06 AM No.24480799
>>24480789


SATAN SPEAKS THROUGH YOU.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:52:55 AM No.24480803
>>24480799
And also with you.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:58:06 AM No.24480812
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>>24480347
>noo don't insult the enemies of God and His word
>don't insult people worthy of insult
>I'm so heckin offended
Faggot SJW. I don't care about your worldly sensibilities. Stop being a dumbass and I won't have to insult you.

>>24480338
You're just a lying retard. I'm not even going to address your lies and false witness since I already addressed them, faggot.

>>24480385
Glad he got saved. Why KJV only? Because it's not full of stupid errors like the Catholic/Jesuit Bibles or removing verses or changing salvation to be by works instead of faith alone or even casting doubt on the gospel itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqw2doe-AJo

It's been explained multiple times then you retards ask "hurr durr why KJV only". You just want to waste people's time because you're a faggot.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:59:24 AM No.24480815
>>24480812
You sure say faggot a lot for a man of the prince of peace
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:00:08 AM No.24480817
fake bibles teach works salvation
fake bibles teach works salvation
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Just wasting my time uploading these pics, but whatever. Maybe there's one person who isn't a reprobate.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:01:18 AM No.24480820
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>>24480815
Faggots are bundles of sticks, bundles of sticks are thrown into the fire. You're a faggot and you're going to be thrown into the lake of fire.

Cry about it, faggot, and your fag-loving worldly sensibilities. Go back to tumblr, nerd.

>>24480817
Here's one showing how they attack the deity of Christ.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:02:27 AM No.24480824
>>24480820
There's that loving Jesus spirit.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:02:37 AM No.24480825
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>>24480820
Here's one showing how fake Bibles make Jesus a sinner, and if Jesus sinned then he couldn't atone for our sins and he wouldn't be God as well.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:03:40 AM No.24480826
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>>24480824
Seriously, go back to tumblr/reddit already. Your crybaby faggot posting style has never been 4chan culture, idiot tourist.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:05:48 AM No.24480829
>>24480826
There is no 4chan culture, loving brother in Christ.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:08:30 AM No.24480834
>>24480389
>It's based on the original languages.
How would you respond to the following claim?
>However, in several dozen readings Scrivener notes that no printed Greek text corresponds to the English of the Authorized Version, which in these places derives directly from the Vulgate. For example, at John 10:16, the Authorized Version reads "one fold" (as did the Bishops' Bible, and the 16th-century vernacular versions produced in Geneva), following the Latin Vulgate "unum ovile", whereas Tyndale had agreed more closely with the Greek, "one flocke" (μία ποίμνη). The Authorized Version New Testament owes much more to the Vulgate than does the Old Testament; still, at least 80% of the text is unaltered from Tyndale's translation.

>Because the modern translations are using the "critical text" as mentioned earlier.
What about the ones that aren't, like the aformentioned Antioch Bible?

>there is a large body of commentary for the KJV that will provide more assistance than you would get for most other translations, which have only appeared in modern times, in avoiding misunderstandings.
Isn't this just yet another layer of interpretation between the reader and God's truth? I doubt anyone claims that the authors of mere works of commentary are divinely inspired.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:18:24 AM No.24480855
>>24480347
>>24480815
>>24480824
>>24480829
Retards like you would cry that Jesus Christ wasn't Christ-like because you get your religious education from Jewish Hollywood cartoons and you have no idea what he actually taught or what the Bible actually says.

Keep spamming your faggoty snarky reddit responses. That's totally going to get me to stop calling retarded faggots like you retarded faggots, oh wait, I don't conform to the world to appease faggot losers like you. Every insult I've given is justified and while I could use Bible insults, I prefer to bring them into the modern vernacular.

Also, thanks for proving you're the cancer killing 4chan.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:20:52 AM No.24480860
>>24480829
Also, you're obviously not my brother, you reprobate.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:26:59 AM No.24480868
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>>24480834
>However, in several dozen readings Scrivener notes that no printed Greek text corresponds to the English of the Authorized Version, which in these places derives directly from the Vulgate.
F.H.A. Scrivener was wrong about this. He refused to recognize the octavo TR editions of Beza, particularly his 1604 edition where some of the KJV readings actually came from.

>For example, at John 10:16, the Authorized Version reads "one fold" (as did the Bishops' Bible, and the 16th-century vernacular versions produced in Geneva), following the Latin Vulgate "unum ovile", whereas Tyndale had agreed more closely with the Greek, "one flocke" (μία ποίμνη).
This is a highly trivial example. The word αὐλή is translated as fold or sheepfold in John 10:1 and 10:16, and elsewhere is translated as "palace," "court" and "hall," depending on context. This is simply an accurate rendering of the Greek source text.

Scrivener throughout his writings fetishized the Latin text and the apocrypha, but none of his supposed examples holds water. He was also on the committee that made the 1881 Revised Version, so he had a motivation to undermine the perception of the Authorized version. Not a reliable source, and I don't use or recommend his version of the TR either because it has serious problems.

>The Authorized Version New Testament owes much more to the Vulgate than does the Old Testament;
The Geneva Bible and Authorized version were both translated from the Hebrew (and Aramaic in certain passages of Ezra and Daniel). I have seen many attempts to try to denigrate the Authorized version by claiming it used other sources, but in the rare cases where actual alleged examples are provided none of them ever panned out. Also, if these examples actually existed, it would mean the translators lied when they stated that their translation was from the original languages, so something actually substantial should be provided to substantiate this frequently made claim, but I've never seen it.

>What about the ones that aren't, like the aformentioned Antioch Bible?
The Antioch Bible is a translation of the Syriac, so not original languages. The "critical text" by contrast is in Greek but it is a corrupted form that was reconstructed in the 19th-21st century, primarily based on Vaticanus and Sinaiticus.

An accurate Bible translation should be based on the continuity of original language manuscripts that we have always had, namely the received text.

>Isn't this just yet another layer of interpretation between the reader and God's truth? I doubt anyone claims that the authors of mere works of commentary are divinely inspired.
Sure, but if you are confused about the meaning of some English word they might help. That's why we use dictionaries and other tertiary resources. The KJV translators also included some marginal notes that sometimes become useful. For example one marginal note placed in 1611 next to the word "unicorn" explains that this refers to the rhinocerous.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:50:31 AM No.24480897
>>24480868
>This is a highly trivial example. The word αὐλή is translated as fold or sheepfold in John 10:1 and 10:16, and elsewhere is translated as "palace," "court" and "hall," depending on context. This is simply an accurate rendering of the Greek source text.
I should also add that Webster's Dictionary allows the word "fold" to mean a "flock" of sheep. The dictionary gives the second definition of "fold" as, "A flock of sheep. Hence in a scriptural sense, the church, the flock of the Shepherd of Israel." So that would explain the translation of μία ποίμνη as well. The point about the translation of the other word is to show why they would have a reason to translate the second word in the sentence the same way here, since that's what the context suggests.

Accuracy does not necessarily demand for there to be a one to one correspondence between translations.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:06:10 AM No.24480913
okay what's the takeaway from this thread? should i just read the kjv?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:13:21 AM No.24480918
>>24477961
No
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:14:46 AM No.24480923
>>24480803
Let us pray
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:08:22 AM No.24481098
>>24477761 (OP)
I felt this way and accidentally reapproached faith from the angle of theology and rationalism. I can't promise you anything, I think people approach or return to the faith based on the type of person they are and what they value, so I can only impart a version of my own path.

You should start with Plato(Timaeus and Laws), Plotinus(Enneads), or Aristotle(Metaphysics). Disentangling theological thought from your existing thought patterns about faith and religion will do you good. Realizing that we can come to know God, at least to some extent, through the exercise of reason was a huge shift for me.

Once you have reached some understanding of the rational basis of what we might call "classical theism", read Augustine(Confessions) and Pseudo-Dionysius(The Divine Names).

I hope that when and if you reach this point, you might be willing to more deeply examine scripture. I recommend a strict focus on Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Songs from the Old Testament, and Romans, and Acts from the New Testament.

I know it kinda sucks to have conversations on here about theology and religion, but if you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:36:02 AM No.24481124
>>24480913
You are an atheist. Embrace it. Read up on Buddhism and Taoism.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:39:44 AM No.24481132
>>24477761 (OP)
Seek the truth
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:08:15 AM No.24481174
>>24477761 (OP)
Religion in my family was always pretty much in the realm of fantasy, taken lightly, perhaps with a certain pantheist or polytheist touch. By upbringing, I'm about as remote from dogma as it goes.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:05:11 PM No.24482079
>>24481124
Neither Buddhism nor Taoism are atheist by themselves, though some strands of Theravada Buddhism do lend themselves to non-theism (salvation without gods and deities, and being against the worship of them). Don't know much about Taoism, but then again unless you're in China it's hard to get anything that can be called 'orthodox' or 'canonical' in that religion.

>>24477761 (OP)
You could study Plato and the ancient Greeks, their works are closest to Christian ideas and even form the basis of many Catholic teachings, so they are the structure you crave without the God you cannot believe in. Where you go from there is up to you, but hey, it's a first step.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:05:52 PM No.24482224
>>24477800
>Catholicism doesn't teach believing in Jesus
That's not true anon
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:15:20 AM No.24483731
>>24477761 (OP)
The God Delusion
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:32:22 AM No.24483772
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>>24482224
It is true, they teach believing in their church and their rituals and traditions to be saved, not faith alone in Christ to be saved as the Bible teaches. Their apologists on YouTube openly preach works-salvation.

Salvation is either by works or grace, it's not both, it's one or the other.
>Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:42:49 AM No.24483875
>>24477761 (OP)
>As an adult, I miss the structure and purpose faith gave me
That structure didn't cut it and you stopped believing. Belief structures are crutches for the soul, you need to do the hard work of finding and experiencing divine truth for yourself, i.e. be a mystic.

This is what Nietzsche talked about when taking down christianity; it was a lazy and corrosive substitute for actually experiencing the truth. 'Faith' is a term for subscribing to things that you know aren't true because you can't bear to part with them.

Start with Jung.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:05:27 PM No.24484854
>>24479243
seconded>>24479264
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:19:37 PM No.24485057
>>24480309
NTA, but there's lots of those heartwarming stories where someone was in the perfect moment at the perfect time to save someone's life. You can choose to believe that's a miracle or not. God could split the Red Sea again and I guarantee you that atheists would pry up some argument to rationalize it all away as a rare natural phenomenon.

God speaks around you constantly, but it's up to you to listen.