is he the biggest retard in greek mythology?
honorable mention to phaethon

Nah, Medea was in the wrong

>>24477855 (OP)
First book out of the library for me, first grade.
Catalog number, was J292.Sis
I'm pushing 60 now, BTW
memories.
"Bullfinch's Mythology" was my next one.

>>24477859
She was stupid in giving up everything and betraying her family for a Greek Chad.

He was stupid in thinking he could fuck over a giga Stacey witch with no consequences.

>kidnaps your daughter or wife
Wtf was his problem?

>>24477906
gunc (grand unc)

>>24477931
unless i'm mistaken, in most versions of the story, aphrodite or someone else directly intervenes to make medea fall in love with jason and help him
no one had to cast a spell on jason to make him retarded

>>24477855 (OP)
No, obviously Orpheus is.

>>24477859
It is noticeable in the Euripides play which side the writer takes. Jason's ostensible reason for leaving Medea was that she was a foreigner and he had to marry a princess from Iolcus and leave behind a house in his fatherland instead of staying with Medea raising bastards who wouldn't inherit anything. From this, Medea destroys the children he pushed aside made under the love he now desecrates and repudiates purely for the purpose of climbing the social ladder. You could also interpret it as Jason going for a younger, prettier woman and using the excuse of needing to leave heirs as a diversion which is what makes Medea's murder of the sons even more tragic to him - he didn't really hate them so much but she had to kill them as he denied her love through his lascivious actions.

>>24478164
he was under duress and had a reasonable fear that he was being tricked by gods known to be very capricious

>>24478217
>she had to kill them
Bruh

>>24478039
>he thinis symbolism is real and literal
Ah yes. I guess you also think Apollo struck the greek camp with his arrows in the beginning of The Iliad, right?

>>24478653
Euripides’ stance from textual evidence is that Jason forced her hand into doing it. He wanted to remarry to secure a new line in Iolcus and didn’t pay any heed to the woman he cast aside. Euripides’ main themes are infidelity, xenophobia and racism and you are clearly blind if you can’t see Jason is antagonist. There is more room for guilt than either one or the other. Medea is less in the wrong of the two as she was pushed into doing what she did and solved it by the same logic she was met with.

>>24477855 (OP)
I have this dude's armour in AC Odyssey.

>>24477855 (OP)
The book/ tale of Jason and the Argos is one thing Euripides stupid fan fiction is another.

>>24478670
i think that aphrodite and eros charmed several people into falling in love with each other, this being one of them
did zeus not literally send a fly to send bellerophon off of pegasus? the gods intervene in greek mythology a lot, i think quite a bit of it is literal

>>24477855 (OP)
>honorable mention to phaethon
He just wanted to know who his daddy was :(

>>24478697
What's AC?

>>24479323
The gods are representations of the nature. When it says that Aphrodite intervenes, it simoly means that that character fell in love. When it says someone was struck by Apollo's arrow, it means they were sick. When it says Athena intervened (For example, when Achilles is about to kill Hector), it means they made use of intelligence rather than emotion. Etc.

>>24479445
this seems like a very contemporary take on phenomena that people probably took very literally at the time when these mythologies were developing

>>24479450
Not contemporary at all. Plato talked about this, I don't remember the exact dialogue but it was late Plato. The example he uses is about someone who was thrown off a mountain by a god of wind. He explains that the god of wind represents that wind itself, so the reality is that he fell due to a strong wind.

>>24479676
>>24479450
>>24479445
To add to this:
A symbol has both a superficial side and a deeper side. You can appreciate it with either. If you like the literaryness of the superficial part, then go ahead, but do not ignore that there is a deeper one.

My favourite symbol is when Paris has to choose between the three godesses. Many people interpret superficially that Athena and Hera get angry and destroy Paris' life because they have a "bitch woman moment", but this is a very superficial interpretation. The deeper symbol is that Paris completelly ignored rationality (Athena) and family (Hera) to worship a forbbiden love (Helena, Aphrodite). It was his act of rejecting knowledge and a good marriage which completelly destroyed his and the troyans' lifes.


Also, completing what I said, here is the Plato fragment, from Phaedrus:
>“I might give a rational explanation, that a blast of Boreas, the north wind, pushed her off the neighbouring rocks as she was playing with Pharmakeia, and that when she had died in this manner she was said to have been carried off by Boreas.”
They were talking about a myth of Boreas (The north wind god) throwing someone off a cliff.

>>24479739
even plato was around long after the oral histories began, and tons of people even today believe in things like the resurrection of jesus and his miracles literally

while it's obvious enough that you can interpret them non-literally, are you really supposing that no divine or supernatural elements are supposed to be taken at face value ever and they're all metaphorical?

>>24479349
Assassins creed

>>24480227
>even plato was around long after the oral histories began
And? Is a person who lived 2300 years ago contemporary to me?

>jesus
I was specifically talking about greek mythology here. We know exactly what each god represents. In christianity symbolism may be harder though, since it's not as straightforward as greek myth.

>are you really supposing that no divine or supernatural elements are supposed to be taken at face value ever and they're all metaphorical?
As I said before, when reading a mythological story you have two ways of experiencing the story: Literal and symbolical. You can choose whichever you like more, I'm not saying that one is the absolute truth and the other one is completely fake.

>>24478682
I often kill our children to make an elaborate point to my wife

>>24480554
Uhhh… Euripides is not for the denizens of this board who love misogyny, war and as your post shows, can’t see things from the perspective of others outside of the lens of gender and social position.

The children and Medea were both spurned by Jason and so she killed them out of revenge and to destroy the physical remnants of their love in the same regard that Jason had killed the actual love between them so that it is as if Jason had nothing to show for any of the bond to Medea which he had severed himself. Jason in this, represents to me social climbers and others who put hierarchy, caste, etc above love and human relations. Social climbers would rather kill off their own families than accept a lower place in society. Euripides foresaw how capitalist society is in the 21st century.

>>24480574
Sorry, what was that? Too busy killing our children to show my wife what she‘s effectively doing by being late with dinner

>>24480577
Euripides is the greatest and you will accept that someday when you mature out of making straw men like I am the target of one of your sjw pwned compilations on YouTube. Every time Euripides is brought up here it is with derision because you can’t handle him. You aren’t ready yet

>>24480579
Couldn‘t write his way out of Hades

>>24480550
>As I said before, when reading a mythological story you have two ways of experiencing the story: Literal and symbolical. You can choose whichever you like more, I'm not saying that one is the absolute truth and the other one is completely fake.
are you the same person that posted this: >>24479445 ? because that seems like you've picked a side and you already decided that literal is wrong from that if so

>>24480639
I am also the one who posted (Adding information to the previous post)
>A symbol has both a superficial side and a deeper side. You can appreciate it with either. If you like the literaryness of the superficial part, then go ahead, but do not ignore that there is a deeper one.

>>24480639
With the Greeks the issue in this debate is that it changes based on the era or on the person as Greek mythology wasn’t a coherent set of ideas but a mish mash. Pythagoreans for instance saw Apollo as totality of existence (A- pollon) rather than as a physical entity who existed.

>>24480644
then it seems a bit out to come out and directly disagree with the literal rather than saying "it can also be interpreted as..."

while i certainly understand interpreting things as metaphors, especially if it's a fairly brief line like "he fell, struck by zeus' lightning" when he wasn't actually struck by lightning and it's just adding some flavor

but there's probably room for some nuance, as in the quest for the golden fleece: "Up in Olympus, however, a consultation was being held about
them. Hera, troubled at the danger they were in, went to ask Aphrodite’s help. The Goddess of Love
was surprised at the visit, for Hera was no friend of hers. Still, when the great Queen of Olympus
begged for her aid, she was awed and promised to do all she could. Together they planned that
Aphrodite’s son Cupid should make the daughter of the Colchian King fall in love with Jason. That
was an excellent plan—for Jason. The maiden, who was named Medea, knew how to work very
powerful magic, and could undoubtedly save the Argonauts if she would use her dark knowledge for
them. So Aphrodite went to Cupid and told him she would give him a lovely plaything, a ball of
shining gold and deep blue enamel, if he would do what she wanted. He was delighted, seized his
bow and quiver, and swept down from Olympus through the vast expanse of air to Colchis."

seems a little much for just a metaphor, especially when it's frequently hera helping jason