Books to cope with wagieslaving and the flow of time? - /lit/ (#24480965) [Archived: 933 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:44:05 AM No.24480965
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I'm 22 and just got my first job. I thought it'd be the end of all my NEET troubles but now I'm having visions of slaving while becoming older all the time. Soon I'll be 30 and then 40, slowly losing my body's functionality. I'm not afraid of remaining a virgin or dying funnily enough but it's just the thought of getting older that scares me.
How do I cope?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:48:18 AM No.24480973
>>24480965 (OP)
>let me stress, further accelerating the natural decline of aging, this will surely help!!!!!!
get it together mang
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:51:55 AM No.24480983
You can't
I'm 27 and still all I think about and look forward to is Friday night until Sunday afternoon
Everything outside of that small time frame is pure soul sucking agony
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:52:14 AM No.24480984
>>24480973
>just don't get stressed bro
But how?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:56:09 AM No.24480992
>>24480965 (OP)
Tartar Steppe
Magic Mountain
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:04:02 AM No.24481011
>>24480983
This but 36
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:04:22 AM No.24481014
>>24480965 (OP)
One day you will save up enough to stop and live out the few years left. You'll be hobbling around, mentally and physically broken, made fun of by children who don't know what's coming.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:11:29 AM No.24481024
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>>24480965 (OP)
Why would you want a book for that, QUIT BEING A KEK
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:27:34 AM No.24481046
>>24480992
Thank you anon
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:47:40 AM No.24481065
>>24480984
literally just don't be stressed. whatever happens happens. it's how you react to it that matters. once you learn control through trials and tribulations in which you are not in control, you will be able to control from thereon out. External is never absolute within the realm of the internal. you may scream and shout externally, yet remain motionlessly affective emotionally on the inside. it is a practiced skill. trust in yourself. listen to others but do not heed their statements as truth until proven as such
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:53:33 AM No.24481073
>>24480983
Same age and same experience for me.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:56:10 AM No.24481078
>>24480965 (OP)
Virgin at 22? Read She Comes First
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:57:23 AM No.24481081
>>24481065
I've pretty much internalized this advice through reading Stoic books for about two years now. I (think I) won't feel perturbed if I lose my leg in accident or if my dog dies suddenly. But the problem is only with this aspect of growing older. I feel like it's all downhill from now, I will be able to enjoy life less and less from now regardless of whether I'm NEET or slaving.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:00:26 AM No.24481086
>>24481081
Stoicism is a cope. Life is sad and fucked up.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:17:35 PM No.24481397
>>24481078
tf is this even?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:24:20 PM No.24481487
>>24481081
Life isnโ€™t downhill till some point in your 30s or 40s, you still have natural vitality at 22
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:25:37 PM No.24481493
>>24480965 (OP)
Have you tried NoFap?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:36:08 PM No.24481515
>>24481487
I mean you won't be as good as you are at 22 when you're 28 or 32.

>>24481493
Yeah I'm not a coomer
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:51:40 PM No.24481633
>>24480965 (OP)
yeah but you only 22 tho
buddy live it up
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:29:38 PM No.24481690
sleep more and for one hour do structured exercise
or get really involved with your imagination and listen/read fantasy. Close your eyes and imagine the scenes. IRL is pretty dire these days nothing wrong with using your pineal to escape it's even free
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:21:04 PM No.24481789
>>24481081
>I will be able to enjoy life less and less from now regardless of whether I'm NEET or slaving.
What does age have to do with enjoying your life? You were a NEET so I assume your life involves playing video games and reading books, both of which you can do at any age.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:35:58 PM No.24481818
It's all about purpose imo.

If you have no concrete goal then wageslaving should be something to tolerate and appreciate. Read The Pale King by DFW, which is a kind of apologetics for wageslavery.

If you have a concrete goal, then it's really up to you to either A) find a way of achieving it outside of wageslavery B) sacrificing financial security for the sake achieving that goal C) planning ahead and find a way to accomplish your goal while minimizing the deadening effects of wageslavery.

A) is a big risk because you'll likely end up as many do simply focusing on wageslavery and being too tired to achieve your goal - the consequences are a healthy bank account but a decreasing intensity of ambition

B) increased likelihood of achieving your goal but poor financial security and increased psychological ill-health if you aren't making any progress towards your goal

C) a middle-ground whereby you theoretically have enough time to achieve your goal but also have some degree of security to fall back on

Option A is the safest route.

Option B is tolerable wen you're young but gets more difficult due to societal pressures (not least rent costs, peer pressure etc)

Option C seems ideal in the context of writing for example. Look at Kafka as a good example here: he was so distraught with working full-time that he apparently had breakdowns and offered his resignation a bunch of times but ended up simply working part-time at his job (a good job) and then focused his attention more and more on writing in his increased spare time

As a daydreamer who experiences occasional bursts of intense regret and despair, I would advise my younger self to plan ahead, to understand on a cellular level that nobody and nothing is coming to save you (a hope often caused by coddling parental figures and/or a culture which sells delusions of personal success as a mass product) and to treat whatever you are hoping to achieve as a form of work which requires time, attention, energy and dedication. The "we're all gonna make it :)" idea is great when you're 22, not so much when you're 34. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to personal context, e.g., financial obligations, inherited IQ, genuine talent in some field or other, but try to trust your instincts especially when you're young and try to retain a sense of concrete but quiet self-confidence because as times passes you're going to have to tie yourself to the mast of self-belief because the world will challenge your self-belief increasingly as you get older.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:48:22 PM No.24481847
>>24480965 (OP)
Become a communist to recognize the garbage that is the capitalist work system and realize that you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Then, read up on astronomy, archeology, and history books to simply appreciate life in general.

If you don't exist at all, obviously life has no meaning.
If you live forever, life has no meaning since everything will happen an infinite number of times cause you to lose your mind.
By elimination, life with a beginning and an end is the best option.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:50:31 PM No.24481850
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>>24480965 (OP)
>I ask not for a lighter burden, but for broader shoulders
Deal with it, kid. Life will be only harder from this moment, but a man can make his hardships fun. Acknowledge the fact that your life is so short that there really is no point in worrying about stumbles, failings, embarassing moments. Carry on and you'll come out stronger and wiser, NEET kills you from inside.
As for book recommendations:
>The Magic Mountain by Mann
>Metamorphosis by Kafka
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:15:07 PM No.24481927
>>24481397
Itโ€™s a book
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:32:13 PM No.24482129
22 is nothing, OP, you're still a kid
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:41:54 PM No.24482152
>>24480965 (OP)
Post Office by Charles Bukowski. All Bukowski novels in general, but that one is the most about wageslaving
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:45:11 PM No.24482161
>>24480965 (OP)
In Search of Lost Time by Marcel Proust
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:12:46 PM No.24482242
>>24481789
>>24482129
Well it's the thought that I might not be able to do the hike I can do now some 10-15 years down the line, not understand some difficult concept with the same ease I can now and so on.

>>24481789
Thank you for the detailed response anon. A is what I'm afraid of, B or C would be good enough but the problem is I don't really have a fixed 'goal' in that sense. All I want to really do is to 'smell the roses', read good books and in general just enjoy life in it's whole. And the fact that I won't be able to enjoy it, whether because of slaving or age is the fact that's scaring me.

>>24481850
>>24482152
>>24482161
>>24481847
Thank you anons
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:14:14 PM No.24482244
>>24480965 (OP)
You need to get a job you love. I've been a teacher for five years and it feels like a dream, I cannot believe I get paid to have this much fun.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:15:38 PM No.24482249
>>24480965 (OP)
Having a job is a choice
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:16:01 PM No.24482250
>>24482244
I thought being a teacher would be last on the list of things considered fun
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:18:39 PM No.24482257
>>24482250
When you really have no vested interest in student success or teaching good morale values you can really cut loose every day with little to zero oversight or consequences, the students will love it and the parents will tell you how much they appreciate having a teacher that makes students look forward to coming to school for the first time ever.
I could give two fucks about how they preform on a standardize test, if I help them become the best versions of themselves that know how to kick it back without being obnoxious I've set them up for life in the cool department
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:23:16 PM No.24482266
>>24480965 (OP)
Im guessing it boils down to a crisis of identity, being able to divorce your self concept from your need to work to sustain yourself and afford high quality free time frees you from this suffering.

The works of Robert Anton Wilson ( Prometheus Rising, The iluminatus trilogy) helped me develop good psychological framework for this; also buddhism - the sooner you realize the three marks of existenxe (dukkha, anicca, anatta) the better
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:28:12 PM No.24482275
>>24482257
kek based
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:32:58 PM No.24482282
>>24482242
There are 80 year olds that climb Mt. Fuji every year. 60 year olds do groundbreaking work in some of the most intellectually challenging fields on the planet.
Your concern isn't unreasonable, but of all the things that could be an impediment to your life or ability to do things, why at the age of 22 is getting old at the forefront of your mind? I mean no disrespect, but you were a NEET until very recently and I assume for a reason, don't you have bigger things to worry about? You're worried about losing the ability to live the life you want to live, but are you even doing that now?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:37:30 PM No.24482292
>>24482282
I know it's stupid to worry about a life I haven't even lived but I can't get it out of my mind. Maybe it's just me but I've seen lots of people become dumber as they grow older so maybe that's the reason for this panic.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:50:57 PM No.24482325
>>24480965 (OP)
22 is a nice age, make sure to play as many competitive sports as you can
>>24481487
this
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:23:31 PM No.24482411
>>24480965 (OP)
I had an old guy come into my wagie cage today to buy steaks. Said he realized he's getting old - he's 77. Try to relax a little.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:25:17 PM No.24482418
>>24480983
This. Wish I never spent the time and money on a degree. All uni did was trick me into thinking higher paying would make it worth it.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:25:37 PM No.24482419
>>24480965 (OP)
Save money and retire early. Its that simple
Ertle the dirtrag
6/20/2025, 8:33:21 PM No.24482436
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Want more pussy than you can handle? Join a book club. Read the book, participate in the conversation, meet up for coffee, agree on rules ("I don't want this to compromise book club!", "Let's keep this between you and me?", "put that condom on me with your mouth", "this is a one-time thing", "oh, yeah, I would totally go gay if you and your sister sucked my dick." book clubs are full of women who are reading because they can't catch a dick. Be the dick they can catch! Wear a condom!
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:50:52 PM No.24482493
>>24480992
Cheers, anon, I had totally forgotten about The Tartar Steppe.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:00:53 PM No.24482517
This is 1/2 advice and 1/2 unsolicited blogging.

Was talking to my counselor today and told him I'm feeling pretty depressed and unhappy most of the time.

He told me that while I might have personal issues, it's completely reasonable for a young person to be depressed, anxious or generally a wreck in today's age. The economy is fucked up and so is society, and there is honestly not a lot to look forward to for our generation. His advice was to try to enjoy the simple things in life. It's hard to enjoy simple things, but it's a habit that you can build and strengthen over time. Sitting in a cafe with a warm cup in your hands, a stroll in good weather, a polite interaction with a stranger.

I'm sharing this because it sounds like you're(OP) spending too much time worrying about the rest of your life and not enough time savoring the moments you already have in front of you. In your post I read an implication that you're going to miss out on grande, awe inspiring events but I can tell you with a fairly high degree of certainty that life is not about those moments.
I've been quite lucky to do a lot of the things I thought would change my life. I've seen live performances from artists I idolize, been to places I dreamed about visiting, I've loved. All of those things can make you happy, but they're not going to make you a happier person 20 years after the fact. The goal to anything is consistency, and the goal to being more fulfilled and getting more joy from life is by trying to do it every day.

Book reccs are Stoner by John Williams and Seamus Heaney(or Robert Frost)'s poetry about nature.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:18:12 PM No.24482558
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>cope with passage of time and wageslaving
religion and belief in ancient magic until you mentally become diogenes
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:32:38 PM No.24482592
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>>24480965 (OP)
This you, OP?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:42:46 PM No.24482630
>>24480965 (OP)
>Books to cope with wagieslaving
Bullshit Jobs is the obvious one
t. well-paid office wagie who lives for 5PM and the weekend
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:45:35 PM No.24482640
>>24482592
>the only way to psyop yourself out of misery is to gaslight yourself into taking your life for granted
Pseud detected.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:49:54 PM No.24482655
>>24482630
OP said cope, not despair for the majority of his waking hours.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:57:39 PM No.24482682
I honestly don't understand how the vast majority of humanity accepts wageslaving as natural and sometimes even virtuous. It's a hellish condition, I honestly believe that suicide is the better alternative. Suicide is freedom, which is why they hate the idea of it spreading. Imagine if the poor started killing themselves en masse, there'd be no more production for the rich, no more food, no more people to do their work. As long as suicide is available, nobody can make you their slave.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 10:07:26 PM No.24482718
>>24482592
Stemfags BTFO
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 10:38:41 PM No.24482797
>>24480965 (OP)
Getting older isn't bad. It's just a natural thing that happens. You're young, don't waste life fearing the future or wishing things were different now, which are self-made suffering.

Building a rich life outside of work, supported by work, gives work personal meaning. I had a meaningless job in a dysfunctional, toxic workplace with no opportunity for advancement or change, and having a life outside that helped.

I remember dinners and vacations with family. I developed skill in my hobbies. I've made a few friendly acquaintances. I even felt a bit of pride building professional skill and knowing I did an exceptional job in shit circumstances.

Don't be afraid to date the girl, change jobs, move somewhere else, try something new, especially when you're young and have time to correct course.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 12:40:58 AM No.24483184
>>24481818
Not OP, but im 24 in a similar boat and I found this helpful.