Thread 24481725 - /lit/ [Archived: 807 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:49:57 PM No.24481725
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What's the intersection between math (specifically algebra) and literature? There was an interesting conversation about this amidst some professors at my uni, I overheard bits of it but I largely missed it. I get philosophy especially after Descartes but what's the intersection with literature more generally?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:10:09 PM No.24481761
>>24481725 (OP)
This photo is so baller, can some autist geolocate for the good of all?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 11:38:55 PM No.24482978
>>24481761
it's obviously japan, drives on the left, small kei car, anon on train
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 12:10:33 AM No.24483080
>>24482978
doesnt look japanese to me
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 12:30:16 AM No.24483145
>>24483080
Look at the cars
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 12:32:06 AM No.24483152
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>>24483080
Will you admit you're wrong?
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 12:37:53 AM No.24483173
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>>24481761
I got you
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 12:44:37 AM No.24483201
>>24483080
I think the road markings in the intersection are a bigger give-away than the small cars. I was gonna flip the image horizontally and say it could be Latin America, but they don't put road markings in intersections as far as I know.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 2:27:12 AM No.24483438
>>24483152
>Will you admit you're wrong?
This proves nothing
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:18:25 AM No.24483932
>>24483173
>Damn Rainbolt!
See you on the other side, respawning in Okinawa
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 12:14:33 PM No.24484404
>>24482978
Does Japan have the most /lit/ cities and atmosphere?
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 1:27:17 PM No.24484532
Read Mccarthy's stella maris. It's the best trestise on this topic which doesn't treat math as a metaphor for art
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 2:32:48 PM No.24484630
>>24484404
this photo is (allegedly) in Okinawa which is very distinct from the rest of Japan. But wandering around Japanese cities it's common to find some old forgotten 1,000 year old neighborhood shrine which makes it very /lit/.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:56:20 PM No.24485261
>>24483173
what is your secret trick. or are you just that good at spotting city-level geographic nuances
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 7:46:54 PM No.24485392
>>24482978
>>24483173
/lit/ autists are on another level. Great job guys.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:57:50 PM No.24485559
>Okinawa
I wish I was there instead of this shithole country
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:02:52 PM No.24485839
>>24481725 (OP)
There is some usage in sci-fi like
Permutation City by Greg Egan
The Algebraist by Iain M. Banks
etc

There is some usage of mathematical concepts in literature forms, google "golden ratio in literature", for exaple. There are some books on the topic of "Mathematical Methods in Linguistics" or "Literary Mathematics" (google). There are books on history of mathematics, mathematical non-fiction, etc. And you can find articles like "Mathematics and Modern Literature".
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:09:11 PM No.24485860
>>24481725 (OP)
The Palgrave Handbook of Literature and Mathematics
Modernism, Fiction and Mathematics
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:26:36 AM No.24486034
i've made an attempt at defining suffering mathematically with some math in my new book
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:27:43 AM No.24486037
i've made an attempt at defining suffering mathematically in my new book, but only using analysis not algebra
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:51:14 AM No.24486079
>>24485559
haiti or bangladesh?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:07:37 AM No.24486113
>>24481725 (OP)
Algebra, at its core, was an early attempt at using the rules of basic mathematics to define and describe deeper mathematical concepts. Over the centuries it has become the titanic and mature foundation that a staggering amount of higher mathematics is based on. A literary novel is much the same thing. If you look at early attempts at being literary, as opposed to folk-tales and moralistic stories and other more elementary forms of writing, you'll see the parallel between literature and algebra.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:15:05 AM No.24486125
>>24486079
US
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:38:49 AM No.24486429
>>24485261
The cars make it obvious that it's Japan and the only tropical area in Japan is Okinawa
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:01:39 AM No.24486684
>>24483438
kill yourself
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:24:33 PM No.24487156
>>24486429
is okinawa small enough, so that you could spot that intersection?
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:13:06 PM No.24487224
>>24486684
no
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Anonymous
6/23/2025, 1:19:20 AM No.24488616
>>24487224
yes
Anonymous
6/23/2025, 7:08:45 AM No.24489185
>>24485261
to be honest, I just looked around Google satellite view (in 3D) to find it. the other anon is right that the tropical area is a big clue.
Anonymous
6/23/2025, 7:45:26 AM No.24489227
you need to read Borges
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Luis_Borges_and_mathematics
Anonymous
6/23/2025, 1:42:45 PM No.24489662
>>24481725 (OP)
There's absolutely no correlation between math and literature. In fact, they are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Mathematics are the farthest thing possible from the human spirit. So much so, that if an alien civilization visited us, their mathematics would be almost identical in certain areas, the only difference being the symbols. Literature, on the other hand, is the closest thing to the human spirit. It is no possible to conceive literature without humanity, and it is not possible to conceive humanity without literature. Our thoughts and lives and eveything we do has a literary angle to it, and because of that, it only applies to us.
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Anonymous
6/23/2025, 8:28:18 PM No.24490443
>>24489662
I appreciate the bold takes, but disagree completely. Literature is rooted in language, in particular metaphor; our tastes as readers vary, and some love the more grounded and soulful epic/classic while others prefer ambitious modern novels that strive to push the form to its limits, but in general a better book will be founded on grander and/or tighter metaphors, i.e. attempts to share complex things by comparing them to things each party already understands.
In this sense math and lit are very similar: both abstract from shared concrete concepts because they are the most natural and practical way to share difficult ideas (in math/phil) or rarefied feelings (in e.g. a great novel). That's the reason mathfags so often have an edge when reading difficult fiction, not because of the direct relevance of any specific branch (another necessary metaphor!) of math, but the mindset that math training instills. If you can DERIVE something useful and mutually communicable from phrases in math papers like "...over an open field" (when there's not a blade of grass in sight), you're PRIMED to grasp books that on the surface couldn't be further from the cold formality of math, like Proust. Mathematical thinking allows one to pin down those metaphors, compare them to others, and more generally to do useful intellectual work with cultural and emotional material and later apply that new-learned framework to others.

Math is closer to the human spirit, and lit more distant, than you think, and as both get closer to the cutting edge, they converge still more explicitly.
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Anonymous
6/23/2025, 8:49:27 PM No.24490509
>>24490443
Weird perspective I've never considered but I get your point