I'm reading this book at the moment. It's fascinating and challenging in the best way possible, but I can't help but think that it is very outdated.

Vilar proposes that men are essentially hard-working servants who voluntarily debase themselves for the sake of lazy, stupid women. But at a time when women out-earn men, graduate more often from college etc, are expected to contribute half to expenses etc, I can't help but feel her argument has been weakened by cultural and societal changes since the time of publication.

The religion chapter also seems very flimsy, as she seems to basically assert that religion was founded by women who then tricked male religious figures (priests etc) into forcing men to serve women.

you have a very shallow perspective, women appropriate male violence to enforce their comforts, karens calling police, divorce laws, rape accusations, custody battles, chauvinism, hr-department, etc all these are examples of men giving woman an inch while they take miles and when you complain, married men-mostly police and the law-- will be deployed to deal with you, they almost took the presidency but people have seen the light

>>24481826 (OP)
>>24481888
there is nothing more retarded or gay than a man who sees himself as in opposition to women. they are not different from you in any way that matters.

>>24481989
sure femoid, your shaming tactics are not going to work

If you don't like women that much, then just don't interact with them.
'problem' is in your head

>>24482008
>trouble does not follow the righteous
spoken like a low iq retard

>>24482018
What? Just don't engage with them, it's that simple.
Don Quixote fighting windmills tier

>>24482023
The problem isn't with the women, it's with the men that will enforce their whims in exchange for occasional sex.

>>24482008
They are 50% of the population and make everyone's lives worse when allowed free hand. Effete cowards like you should be pressed into a bog.

>>24482068
But that's what women say about you
>men are 50% of the population and make everyone's lives worse when allowed free hand. Effete cowards like you should be pressed into a bog.

Solution is just gender segregation. Either on individual level or where it's not possible, on societal

>>24482076
Okay? They are demonstrably wrong and have no facts to substantiate their pathetic "i kno u r but wat am i" claim.

Nature/god made men more honest, intelligent, and significantly stronger, to comprehend and enforce the rules. That's also why women are ~three time more likely to concieve from rape, because it's what nature/god intended. Subjugating women is healthy for the world.

>>24482091
Women down your genetic line had been continuously 'subjugated', which is why you're feeling it's natural.

This is called Lamarckism, i.e. what we do before we conceive directly impacts our offsprings. In this case, your ancestors seem have been subjected to subjugation.

Same reason why Indians love rape: they are descendants of rapists, while Euros aren't.

>>24482109
It would make more sense for me to have been the descendant of rapers rather rapees by own logic. Of course the fact should be obvious that we are all the descendants of both. Additionally, here's an absurdity: all men come from a line of women, yet all men don't have an "instinct" for having a uterus, hence your theory falls apart. Anyway, while somewhat redeemed by way of modern epigenetic perspectives lamarckism is a largely outdated, now pseudo- science. Everyone who's been through 7th grade biology knows that, girlie.

>>24482128
>It would make more sense for me to have been the descendant of rapers rather rapees by own logic
Not really. When a man rapes a woman, it doesn't save the gender to which assign the epigenetic memory in the future: whether the offspring becomes male or female, it'll have epigenetic memory of the event in either way.
>Of course the fact should be obvious that we are all the descendants of both.
But some men who happen to be from western countries have morbid aversion to the very act of rape, while in some countries it's part of the local culture that is practically unshakeable even when raised in different environment (see India).
In the west acts of rape had significantly decreased hundreds of years ago if not thousands, which manifested itself in how average European negatively perceives it, while people like Turks who kept raping up until the present day on mass scale have conditioned their very genes to be fond of it.

>>24481826 (OP)
a college degree means nothing today and women are more suited to mid tier desk jobs which are stupidly overpaid

>>24482142
>it doesn't save the gender to which assign the epigenetic memory in the future
Oh but it does, due to the absurdity I already gave. I'm afraid even when a vaginal cretin like you is allowed to make up nonsense as you go along, you are still undone by your own poor grasp of logic.

>In the west acts of rape had significantly decreased hundreds of years ago if not thousands
More unsubstantiated nonsense. We need only look to the various wholesome rapings given by Zeus as ancient counter, rapings by indubitably western soldiers/conquerors of enemies and natives centuries-recent, and of course the unquestionable "rape culture" that exists on college campuses and such to this very day.

>>24482179
You are Indian

>>24482184
Was Zeus indian too?

>>24482188
>skull mask
oh no no no LATAM esoteric Evolian bros...

I read it too and as a Chud I thought it was pretty shit. It criticizes a kind of woman that barely exists anymore (stay-at-home conservative) and gets everything wrong when it comes to men. I tuned out when she started schizobabbling about religion.
It's kinda funny how vitriolic this entire thing is though, she hates them even more than I do

Overall overrated trash that gets pushed around by people who don't actually read

incel book and incel thread

>>24482213
>>24481826 (OP)
read evola

>“The best and most authentic reaction against feminism and against every other female aberration should not be aimed at women as such, but at men instead. It should not be expected of women that they return to what they really are and thus reestablish the necessary inner and outer conditions for a reintegration of a superior race, when men themselves retain only the semblance of true virility.”

>What the Greeks called “heterity,” that is, being connected to another or being centered on someone other than oneself, is a characteristic proper to the cosmic female, whereas to have one’s own principle in oneself is proper to the pure male. . . . female life is almost always devoid of an individual value but is linked to someone else in her need, born of vanity, to be acknowledged, noticed, flattered, admired, and desired (this extroverted tendency is connected to that “looking outside” which on a metaphysical level has been attributed to Shakti).

>woman, insofar as she is woman, will never know ethics in the categorical sense of pure inner law detached from every empirical, eudemonistic, sensitive, sentimental, and personal connection. Nothing in woman that may have an ethical character can be separated from instinct, sentiment, sexuality, of “life”; it can have no relationship with pure “being.”

>American women are characteristically frigid and materialistic. The man who 'has his way' with an American girl is under a material obligation to her. The woman has granted a material favour. In cases of divorce American law overwhelmingly favours the woman. American women will divorce readily enough when they see a better bargain. It is frequently the case in America that a woman will be married to one man but already 'engaged' to a future husband, the man she plans to marry after a profitable divorce.”

>>24481826 (OP)
It is outdated

>>24481826 (OP)
>NOOOOO! LE HEGGIN WOMEN!!! GIVE US US FREE!!
Men who find themselves in this situation (beast of burden) absolutely deserve what they get.

Their braphog MAGA tradwife never hid the fact that her self concept was based on Disney princess movies, that they had little/no qualifications for being a home maker, and that they wanted a "provider".

Guys like that view work 80 hours a week, eating nothing but gas station subs, and never buying themselves anything but light beer or metal tubes which project lead at speed once every couple of years - as a virtue.

It is highly class dependent.

>>24483908
>metal tubes which project lead at speed once every couple of years

lol how much of a fucking faggot can you be. is it non-american hours already?

>>24483908
That's right, vent and let it all out.

>>24481826 (OP)
>women manipulate men
that take has it all backwards in contrast to the ideal. The ideal being one man and one woman decide to become one couple that will self-sacrifice and work hard for the next generation.

>>24481826 (OP)
Men built this world to keep women as stupid broodmares deprived of education. If you really think women had so much societal power over men you are delulu

Please read actual science and studies over society and not this tradwife pickme bs.

>>24484258
samefag but Vilar is a homophobe and popularily stated that feminism is only "masculine lesbians" and that lesbians "seduce" straight women. She also claims women only want men for their wealth and cannot possibly love them. She wrote men "gain nothing" from marriage while ignoring they get a free bangmaid, housewife, cook, cleaner, mommy to his kids, and more.

God your choice in books is abysmal please go to a library I'm begging you

>>24481888
And men, when they held the power, also abused it. Welcome to humanity.
To be clear, you're not wrong in what you described, loosely. That is what is happening.
Don't mistake it for essence; or if you do, don't apply it selectively.

>>24481826 (OP)
Some of that does sound outdated. Females expect males to beg to serve them multiple times and likely will take offense if this doesn't happen. No religions needed. The cultural expectation will always be changed to a new version of I had to ask my female multiple times before she agreed, I had to keep asking because the others would see me as a failure and now I have a honey do list, and the list goes on. Thankfully religion has been spared and can be respected as a religion these days.

>>24481826 (OP)
>The religion chapter also seems very flimsy
yeah, vilar's partiality for progressive secular tropes becomes painfully visible in that section. her limit is politics and psychology, outside that she has very little idea of what she's dealing with. real arguments can be made about the social function of religion. but religion is definitely not just social conditioning, or at least, it definitely wasn't established for that purpose.
similarly notable is vilar's declaration that unburdened men would just achieve more and make great strides for science or whatever. this is just the same techno-utopianist thinking.

>>24481826 (OP)
She's just a jewish bitch trying to drive a wedge between gentile men and women. Don't fall for this oppression olympics shit.

offtopic. nonfiction discussion belongs on /his/

>>24484271
>while ignoring they get a free bangmaid, housewife, cook, cleaner, mommy to his kids, and more.
>Free
Do you have any idea what a financial and emotional burden woman are?

>>24483908
only good post itt

>>24484271
>She wrote men "gain nothing" from marriage while ignoring they get a free bangmaid
>Vilar is a homophobe
Is /lit/ just dumb holes from twitter now?

>>24484814
>he thinks women still put out for their men after they get married

>>24485376
Take that faggot fucking labeled reaction gif clipped from a faggot fucking movie back to faggot fucking tw*tter

>>24483975
There are probably 50 million if not more men in America who are just like this. Buy an AR every couple years and a truggg every 5, and other than that view spending any money on comforts/luxuries/hobbies etc as some gay shit. That eating unseasoned well done Costco steaks and never taking any time off is masculine virtue while their pig wife gobbles up the disposable on 2-ARs worth of hair and nail treatments a month.

Like with women most of men's problems are self enforced/inflicted.
The only virtuous element is that men do not blame women for these things, whereas women blame men for the problems they cause themselves (slut shaming, makeup, being skinny, all of which is almost exclusively perpetuated by other females)

>>24485861
This is some seriously bicoastal headcanon

>>24481826 (OP)
Women control something like 75% - 80% of household spending currently. Seems like the trends pointed to in the book are solid and persistent.

no chadpill. irrelevant