>Do not injure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being.

This confuses and enrages.

>>>/his/
>>>/trash/

just killed a spider today. if these critters don't want to die, then they should not violate the NAP (approaching me at my home). simple as.

Jesus Christ teaches the same.

>>24484450
Christ's followers ate fish.

>>24484449
Scared of a spider. Pathetic.

That's too many rules in my opinion. Just try to do what's right at all times. Does a cockroach who invades your house deserve to live? Kill it.

>>24484581
>Does a cockroach who invades your house deserve to live?
Yes.

>>24484438 (OP)
>kill any creature or living being
I'll pass, not a fan of starving to death

>>24484450
Christians led conquests, blessed colonizers, and used the Bible to justify slavery and genocide.

>>24484583
It knew what it was doing. Insects and animals aren't actually stupid like the bible says.

>>24484581
Is the cockroach a metaphor for something?

>>24484583
And what about termites? Do you have a listening session about their hopes and dreams? Or do you just spray/gas them? And something needs to die, simply for food. Vegetables die when you harvest them. Eating fruit means eating a plant's unborn children. You can't avoid killing if you want to eat. And what about the millions of airborne germs you massacre every time you breathe? "Do not kill" is literally impractical.
And yeah, this post is offtopic. Take it to /his/

>>24484645
Non-violence is about harm minimization, not elimination.

>>24484583
Anything you have power over, you also have the right to decide the fate of by right of your power over it.

>>24484659
Demonic mentality. I bet you spend an inordinate amount of your free time complaining about Jews.

>>24484620
So? It doesn't have anything to do with what Jesus taught.

>>24484670
Christ never spoke a word about animals, except in the Gnostic gospels. So, he did not teach the same thing. Non-violence is not the first principle of Christianity. Love is.

>>24484449
>why are so many flies in my home? how could this happen?

>>24484674
Love encompasses that.

>>24484641
I thought someone would come with this idea, but no, the cockroach is literal, I just killed two some days ago.

>>24484682
Unless they're fish. Christian non-violence is a pale imitation of Jain non-violence.

>>24484687
Jain non-violence literally says don't "kill" carrots and potatoes. Lmao.

>>24484690
Yes.

>>24484694
Ok who cares Hinduism says the same but Hinduism has a god. I can't go back after witnessing the power and majesty of lord almighty. I will never be able to believe in Jainism. I respect Mahavir though, I've read his stuff. Cooler than Buddhism imo.

>>24484656
Sounds like a slippery slope to me, open to interpretation and abuse.

It's just too big of a world. I don't know what there is to be done with it. There are billions of people out there. They are all suffering in some way or another. I wish I could help you all at the same time, to bring a lemonade to everyone working in the heat, to be at all funerals happening right now and console people who might be having the worst day of their lives.

Then there are animals, plants, fungi all around us, trillions of ants in that park alone. Some insect's whole life may last a week, and that guy may spend most of it flipped on its back, grasping for something. If only I could flip all of the insects at once, to protect them all. I wish I could save the entire world, but not only is that not possible, it is simply not conceivable. There is nothing to save things from. There is no such thing as satisfaction.

The proportions are also insane. Maybe a microbe doesn't have the same nervous system as a person or a cat, but a drop of alcohol on a table kills trillions of bacteria. Should we not care about them? On the other end: if there is an upcoming bloody war on an alien planet in the year 3000, is it our duty to get there and stop it before it happens? These things are totally impractical, and so we disregard them easily. But they are real events in real places, with real beings, it's not a movie or a fantasy, we really do have trillions of galaxies out there, it's all going on. I wonder how many insects are out there, flipped on their back, struggling just like us.

I look at the ordinary human world of politics, work, society, history, and there is so much to be done to make things better. But we cannot evade death or change. Why be vegan or not be vegan? Why adopt religion? Why watch a movie? Why meet, marry, move, struggle, engage? Why take part in any battle, in any game? Why learn? If you smoke and die of lung cancer at 50 or stay healthy and live to 100, what difference does that make? Who was happier? And what good is ten thousand years of pure bliss and joy, if it ends.

>>24484438 (OP)

Everywhere they apply their method of the seven standpoints — from one point of view it (anything) exists, from one point of view it does not exist, from one point of view it both exists and does not exist, from one point of view it is indescribable, from one point of view it is existent and indescribable, from one point of view it is non-existent and indescribable, from one point of view it is both existent and non-existent and also indescribable. They apply their method of the seven standpoints even to such items as oneness and eternity.

To all this we reply that the relativism of the Jainas is not justified, because, as the author of the Sutras puts it, ‘of the impossibility (of directly contradictory attributes) in one and the same thing’. You cannot have contradictory attributes such as ‘existent’ and ‘non-existent’ at the same time in the same substance, any more than the same thing can be at the same time hot and cold. The seven principles, which they regard as existent and as having definite natures, must either exist with those natures or not exist. If all that we have is the indefinite knowledge that a certain thing might be of such and such a nature, or of a different nature, or not of that previously assumed nature, then our knowledge is like doubt and has no cogency.

Perhaps you will say that the definite knowledge that a thing is many-sided does not lack cogency, like doubt. But we reply that you are wrong. For even the definite knowledge of one who recklessly extends the principle of relativism to cover all entities is itself an entity, and falls within his own formula, ‘From one point of view it is, from one point of view it is not, etc.,’ and is hence itself not of a definite nature. In the same way, both the one who has the definite knowledge, and also the cognition resulting from the process of knowledge, will exist from one standpoint and not from another. This being so, how can a Jaina set himself up as an authority and give teaching, when neither the means of knowledge nor the object of knowledge nor the knower of knowledge nor the knowledge itself can be asserted to have any definite existence? And how could he have pupils who acted on his teaching, seeing that its exact nature could never be definitely ascertained? For people in the world wait until they are sure that something will have an advantageous result for them and then apply themselves calmly to the proper means for attaining that thing: they do not act without such knowledge. One attempting to propagate a science which is itself by its very nature beyond definite determination as ‘such and such’ can expect to find his words neglected like those of a drunkard or a lunatic

>>24484781
>Peaceful Hindu
>sitting on a tiger hide

>>24484454
So do Buddha's followers. They also eat meat. As did the Buddha. Do you even know anything?

>>24485758
No, they didn't. Hunters are actually considered the same as murderers in Tibetan Buddhism. In Masked Drama of Rebirth, hunting is listed as one of the sins that gets you reborn in the world below alongside murder, stealing, etc.

>>24485758
That's Mahavira in the OP, not Buddha.

what about just a little bit of abuse? can I bantz, is that Dharma approved? can I enslave niggers?

>>24486775
>Hunters
What does that have to do with eating meat?

>>24486833
That's what I thought at first but got confused by the swastika and lion.

>>24484645
>You can't avoid killing if you want to eat.
Yes you can. Buddhists understand this distinction, like the Buddha did. You can eat meat without killing animals yourself. There is a difference.

>>24486879
Fuck hunters. Fuck butchers. Get me my meat tho.

>>24486918
>>24486775
>Tibetan Buddhism

Any google search will tell you that the Dalai Lama eats meat.

>>24484438 (OP)
>do not eat animals
>do not eat plants
>???
>escape samsara

>>24487015
>eat fruits and vegetables
>practice austerities to burn off your karmic sheath
>escape samsara
Jains aren't breatharians.

>>24484645
>You can eat meat without killing animals yourself.
Very kiked way of fooling the rules of the game. Do you wear small hats?
>There is a difference.
To your inner peace? An animal is dead either way, whether you killed it or generated demand to kill it by buying meat.

>>24487170
>Very kiked way of fooling the rules of the game. Do you wear small hats?
It's a rule that applies to the food received on an alms round. If the mendicant is sure that an animal was not slaughtered for his sake, he is allowed to eat the meat given him. In any case, Mahayana is more stringent about vegetarianism, with the possible (and understandable) exception of Vajrayana. Can't farm in the Himalayas.

>>24487177
This is literally what kikes do to fool god and what they need shabbos goys for. I can understand that someone brought up in such culture would accept these customs as the norm and the only possible correct way of living, but any thinking human must surely see through the sharade, right?
>that an animal was not slaughtered for his sake
It's not even about the animal - they can be killed by the trillions, my conscience is clear as long as none is killed to become food for (me) specifically. Sure, they were killed to feed my village/town/country, but not me, so it's ok to eat them.
People actually think like this and assume they have the moral highground?

>>24486957
Okay well I read Tibetan book of the dead and it explicitly says that hunting is one of the actions which dooms you to reincarnation.

>>24487192
>kikes, shabbos goy, sharade
Think and speak seriously.

You're right that there are Buddhists who exploit this so they can eat whatever they want. The rationalization being, only my intentions matter, worldly causality and by extension the existence of factory farms are not up to me, so I can indulge my appetite guilt-free. But serious Buddhists don't because they're able to see through who - or what - is actually doing the talking there.

But within the context of ancient Buddhism - wandering mendicants depending on rural societies for sustenance - it is a workable rule. Regardless, like I said, many Mahayana traditions, especially those in China, insist on mandatory vegetarianism. And Buddhism isn't even the subject of this thread. Jainism is. Not even Buddhists can match the austerity of the Jain diet. Not even the Cathars, who consumed fish. Maybe only the Manichaeans do.

>>24484450
No, Jesus insulted many people, and the Bible says he left an example that we should follow.

>>24484620
You're thinking of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy and some Protestant religions, not Christianity.
>hurr durr but they said they were Christian
Gee, why would people who would torture you to death and burn "heretics" and burn Bibles ever lie? Don't be so naive. Jesus taught to leave heretics alone and separate from them, not hunt them down for not bowing to the papacy.

>>24487213
>Jesus insulted many people
Who?

>>24487218
Pharisees/Jews, Herod, and basically the entire world. You need to listen to a new preacher, buddy. This watered-down baby boomer effeminate "Christianity" you know of is embarrassing.

Pic related is using a bad translation and I think they left out some things because of that, but you get the idea.

>>24487239
None of those are insults. They are tokens of love for his enemies.

>>24487244
Being an effeminate faggot is a sin, knock it off.

>>24487244
Sad. America is a disease.

>>24487248
>“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. (Matthew 5:38-42)

>“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. (Luke 6:27–31)

Another good thread about non- or anti-Abrahamic religion derailed by a tradoid.

>>24487266
>WAAAH PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS
Thanks for proving gaytheists can't not get triggered by the true God of the Bible. You wouldn't have given a shit if it was Muslims or Jews promoting their false religions; but when the Bible or the true God is discussed? You get triggered like a faggot. And you're dishonest and use the term "Abrahamic" to lump wildly different beliefs together because you don't care about truth, hence why you love your faggot retarded Eastern bullshit. Prove me wrong, loser.

>>24487258
>but these verses out of context and misinterpreted mean insults are heckin bad
Faggot. You're not even using a good translation, which explains why you're such an effeminate faggot. I bet your "bible" even removes "effeminate" from the Bible.

I. Corinthians 6:9-10
>Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

I bet you think when Jesus said whoever is without sin casting the first stone, you take that to mean no naming sin despite that it was about a literal stoning not just offending effeminate fags like you.

>>24487280
>gaytheists
>faggot
>faggot retarded bullshit
>loser
Imbecile.

>>24487289
The verse you quoted doesn't contradict the ones I quoted.

>>24487294
>waaah I need a safe space
Idiot tourist. Go back to bluesky.

>>24487299
Never said it did, I said you're misinterpreting them and taking them out of context. You're illiterate.

>>24487299
Btw, if you were using a real Bible instead of that effeminate counterfeit which had an open sodomite working on it (if it's the one I think it is, can't be bothered to see exactly which one it is), no verses would contradict any other verses. But your counterfeit Bible does have contradictions because it's not the Word of God, it's a corruption of it.

>>24487313
>Idiot tourist. Go back to bluesky.
Nothing to do with safe spaces or tone policing. You just sound like a retard. I bet you think the Desert Fathers were filthy heretics.

>>24487326
Jesus said to call no man father, idiot.

>>24487294
>>24487326
You're just an LGBTpedo who's upset that faggot is still used as an insult.

>>24487339
Yep, if you throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the only one that yelps is the one you hit. He took exception to faggot and gaytheist because he's a sodomite reprobate.

>>24487339
>>24487343
I don't take issue with your word choice. I take issue with your vulgarity as a self-professed "Christian." And the abba is a spiritual mentor, not a replaced for God.

>>24487205
>wandering mendicants depending on rural societies for sustenance
A beggar has eaten a chicken's worth of meat, now an extra chicken needs to be killed to feed the villagers. I fail to see how eating meat does not induce demand, thus implicating the eater. Unless he's a vulture.

Vegetarianism as an ideology is retarded.
I keep chicken that lay eggs, I buy milk and cheese from someone who keeps a cow. Although I don't like animals to suffer, I buy meat, some of which is farm-produced. Even those wandering Buddhist peace-lovers had to eat, it's just the reality.
I'm not going to kill a random beetle on the street, I would probably be fascinated by it, but can't really subscribe to the idea of living in a cockrocach, fly and mosquito infested house.

>>24487358
The point being that the monk did not ask for the chicken to be killed on his behalf, so he's not karmically implicated by the act. He did not "demand" the chicken be killed, so there is no demand to speak of. The villagers can also easily go without needing to kill an extra chicken. You from your position might think this is silly, but within the context of Buddhist karma where intentionality is what counts, it's perfectly self-consistent.

>but can't really subscribe to the idea of living in a cockrocach, fly and mosquito infested house.
Jains believed in keeping your living space clean, so you wouldn't be creating the conditions for infestation in the first place.

>>24487326
>tone policing
What kind of fuckin homo even has this phrase in their vocabulary?

>>24487346
>waaah wahh waaaah
>you need to be an effeminate limp-wristed sissy like me
Jesus didn't conform to the world, neither do I. You're not gonna win the world by conforming to the world. Quit being an embarrassment to Christ; and capitalize Abba if you're going to type it, retard, but you apparently don't even know what it means.

I'd literally beat you up for being such an effeminate faggot.
>waah that's not Christ-like
Yeah, because no prophets of God ever smote anyone. You don't know what the Bible says, keep your nu-evangelical faggotry to yourself.

>>24487382
I'm not the original anon who denied Christ ever insulted anyone. Christ, you're all histrionic cretins, every last one.

>>24487390
Faggot isn't even a "vuglar" word, you retarded faggot.

Go back >>>/lgbt/

>>24487394
These effeminate fags are more offended by the word "faggot" than by what that word represents.

>>24487394
I call people faggots on here all the time. I don't pretend it makes me Christian. Emotional volatility is also effeminate.

>>24487367
>Jains believed in keeping your living space clean, so you wouldn't be creating the conditions for infestation in the first place.
Did Jains also not believe in things happening beyond their control? What if infestation happens anyway because of other nearby inhabitants? What if they are forced to change lodgings to another place that is already infested?

>>24487411
They'd make do. There's a story about some Hindus who hired an American to solve the problem of rats getting into their granaries. The American, characteristically, wanted to poison them. The Hindus refused. They decided on building the granaries high up on stilts where the rats couldn't reach them. Problem solved.

>>24487382
>and capitalize Abba if you're going to type it, retard, but you apparently don't even know what it means.

>When visitors, whether hermits or lay persons, came to Egypt in order to meet one of these desert dwellers, invariably they would ask: “Give me a word, abba,” or: “Speak a word, amma, how can I be saved,” or again: “Abba, give me a way of life.” Abba is the Coptic word for father or elder; the Greek word was geron (gšrwn). Alternatively, a visitor could seek the advice of an amma or spiritual mother. The fundamental context within which the words of the abbas and ammas were recorded in the past, and are perhaps also to be received in the present, is the relationship between the spiritual father or mother and the spiritual child or disciple.

http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/viewpdf/default.aspx?article-title=Modes_of_Spirituality_by_Rev_John_Chryssavgis.pdf

stupid fucking baboon faggot. fuck off back to /his/.

>>24487441
>but muh church faaaather sai-
Retard

St. Mark 14:36
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

>>24487367
>not karmically implicated by the act.
That's very self-centered. Others must do the killing to support my body. In terms of evolutionary viable strategies, a population can support a certain percentage of parasites (Buddhists).
Also, discarding induced demand like it's not real isn't going to pass. Eating an already killed chicken is exactly the same as killing one, so far as chickens' lives are concerned. Which just shows that the idiology doesn't really care about harm caused, merely about keeping one's hand clean. From my atheist relativist viewpoint the exactly opposite is more important.

>>24487441
>>24487442
Alexandrian priest cultist doesn't even know the word "Abba" from the Bible, and they apply it to their faggot "elders" who they also blasphemously call "father".

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

>>24487442
abba and amma as a spiritual father/mother within the context of the desert monastic tradition, not unlike the Buddhist achariya which is also not capitalized. Not the Abba = Supreme God. you presume to speak with such authority and call others losers, retards, and faggots but make elementary mistakes like this. fucking sped.

>>24487447
>the desert fathers were just a bunch of faggots, bro
>replies twice he's so steaming
your only objection to the tradition is terminological. you're just a kid, man. wholly unserious. go home.

>>24487444
Mendicants are not considered parasites because they function as karmic purifiers for the community. Giving food to a bhikkhu not only removes energy from the samsaric circuit, but accumulates merit for the giver.

I don't think consumers are as complicit as producers. They are complicit, but there is a gradient of complicity. In the Buddhist view, every nation or tribe is minimally complicit in the suffering of samsara except the sangha. Or the sangha is the least complicit, full-stop. Buddhists don't impose a demand for meat on the community, so they can't be blamed for receiving it. That is the logic. You can take issue with it, and personally I prefer Jain consequentialism (you suffer a karmic penalty for stepping on an ant even if you didn't intend to), but that's how they frame it.

>>24484781
True. Buddhist needs to accept the superiority of unity in the principle and admit they are just crypto-advaitist/hindu/upanishadist

>>24487466
No, they're not. They're secessionists. They don't want to melt back into the cosmos.

>>24487465
>Buddhists don't impose a demand for meat on the community
If you take a potato from my plate, I am now 1 potato hungrier. An extra potato will have to be slaughtered. Furthermore, knowing that you'll be coming over again to cleanse my chakras, alongside with with my potato stockpile, I'll have to grow more of them to account for the spiritual guests (your extra mouth).
Only a child would be unable to understand this. It's like a chess player thinking zero steps ahead.

I get the rest of what you're saying. Looking at a green beetle right now. Would be sad had I accidentally crushed him, but not because of eternal torture my soul is going to suffer. It's cute, most things are cute apart from insects trying to bite me or shit in my food.

>>24487488
Doesn't take into account food surpluses, so your argument isn't foolproof. And you don't get sent to hell for crushing beetles, as either as a Buddhist or Jain. If there is a hell, what sends you there is being the kind of person who is prone to crushing helpless creatures in the first place. Personally, I avoid stepping on ants because I don't want to cause them pain.

In any case, I don't buy the Buddhist argument, it's too exploitable. But it does make its own kind of sense. I prefer Jain absolutism. All or nothing. No compromises, no loopholes.

>>24487404
>crying like an bitch over his trigger words being used
>b-but y-you're emotional and that's effeminate
God has emotions, so you're blaspheming God.

>>24487454
>moving goal posts
Shut the fuck up, cult retard. You are a loser, a faggot, and a retard. Cry about it, subhuman retard. You've been crying endlessly about your trigger words being used.

Please kill yourself, reprobate.

>>24487454
>shown from the Bible the actual use of the word
>but muh church fathers who rape kids use it in a different way to take names reserved for God for themselves therefore I completely ignore what the Bible says
And I bet you think you're smart because you use phrases like "desert monastic tradition". Literally kill yourself, you retarded SJW faggot retard.

>>24487510
>>24487522
>confuses the desert fathers for the church fathers
Pathetic display. Seek Christ.

>>24487535
>nooooo, it's a different blasphemous use of "father" for the old dead theologians and thought leaders of our cults who are all roasting in hell right now since they preached a false gospel
You might call Christ "Lord, Lord", but he'll tell you he never knew you. And I don't care about your Jewish semantics bullshit and SJW crying about your trigger words, faggot.

But you're reprobate anyway, you can't believe, like most prophets and priests of false religion, they never get saved. Go kill yourself, seriously, you're just storing up more wrath from God on judgment day by continuing to live in your self-righteous pharisee boylover cult.

>>24487552
You're the furthest from Christ out of anyone in this thread. Even that atheist relativist is closer to God in spirit if not in name.

>>24487472
all the cosmos melts with them, like in the mahayana, all creatures are called to the nature of buddha.

>>24487552
"On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not own the jews, faggots, and SJWs in your name, and inform many Christians with slightly different beliefs that they were going to hell in your name, and tell anonymous strangers on the internet to kill themselves in your name?’"

>>24487611
Did we not also assume that your saints are getting char broiled in hell?

>>24487488
When I was a child in a Buddhist household I had these same questions. As an adult, I am able to make the distinction.

>>24487575
>>24487611
You trust in your works, you guys prove it by crying about me saying your trigger words. You don't even understand that verse, which is why you change the words of God, which makes you reprobate and adds to you the plagues of the book of Revelation.


Imagine being this triggered someone said "faggot". You reprobates really should kill yourselves. It'll only be worse for you in eternal hellfire if you keep on living.

>>24484438 (OP)
Why do gay Eastern idolatrous religions attract so many SJW faggots and redditors?

>>24487201
Hunting for meat out of necessity isn't a problem, but hunting for sport, which encourages a disregard for life is bad for you karmically and takes you further away from enlightenment. Buddhist monks would never kill becaue it's bad for their ascetic practice and contradicts the universal benevolence that they want to cultivate. But if they had to kill an animal to survive, they would do it. Just as they would swat a mosquito or a fly (ask the Dalai Lama).

>>24487991
You are writing in anger.

>>24487465
Also bikkhus always do Dharma talks and organize the comunity trought the temple, they're what we in the west call priests

>>24487997
more based than any bs veganism "least suffering for the greatest number of animal persons" argument I've heard