What happened to Intellectual Conservatism?

>>24485160 (OP)
saved by Michael Knowles

>>24485160 (OP)
Destroyed by death of the fairness doctrine and the co-opting of the Republican Party by shock jocks and populists filling the void that the Democratic Party failed to capitalize on in the wake of the destruction of the free trade era

>>24485160 (OP)
What was Buckley's views on art and literature?

its getting pretty hard to do the mental gymnastics required to defend conservatism these days

>>24485160 (OP)
It was put in to practice in the late-20th Century in a lot of western economies and it did not produce the outcome expected, and it failed.

>>24485186
>neoliberal free trade is conservatism
huh

>>24485160 (OP)
It conserved nothing and then they died of old age, their consciences clear, knowing they never made any mistakes and never said the wrong thing.

>>24485187
Nobody wants to take responsibility for neoliberal free trade in 2025 but in 1975 everybody in the intellectual conservative movement was supportive of it.

>>24485199
there are still plenty of people on the right (and left) who oppose trump's tariffs right now

Began and died with Strauss and Voegelin. Buckley was just a maggot in the body of modernity (and a faggot).

>>24485179
He had a crush on Allen Ginsberg

>>24486306
damn

>>24485160 (OP)
What did they conserve again?

>What did they conserve again?
>its getting pretty hard to do the mental gymnastics required to defend conservatism these days
>It conserved nothing and then they died of old age, their consciences clear, knowing they never made any mistakes and never said the wrong thing.

NOW LISTEN HERE YOU QUEER

>>24485160 (OP)
everything went full gay
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8IY3AAvGIj4

>>24486460
Weak faggots who spend their whole life in the closet. Anyone with a brain and a bicep is some manner of esoteric fascist now.

>>24485160 (OP)
Oxymoron

>>24485211
It is hilarious how for 30 years of my life the entirety of the Concerned Citizenry cried about """"neoliberalism"""" and now that there is a guy dumb enough to try and do something about it every NPR school marm's hands are bleeding from clutching pearls.

>>24485160 (OP)
No wonder everyone was a communist if this fag was the face of “conservatism”.

>>24485160 (OP)
defeated in 1776

>>24485160 (OP)
he was cia
do you think anything on television isn't controlled op

>>24485160 (OP)
>buckley
>intellectual
He was barely above modern Fox News anchors, just a proto-neocon larping as a serious political theorist. The last substantial wave of substantial conservative intellectuals was the Conservative Revolution, everything else has been Enlightenment liberalism with a "traditional" veneer (including Moldbug and Land)

>>24486514
Hmm, I never thought about that. I suppose whenever people were criticizing Presidents for the outsourcing of jobs, what's going on now is what they had in mind as a possible solution, except it's who's doing it now.

>>24486449
Israel.

>>24485160 (OP)
Last time conservatism produced anything of intellectual value was probably Spengler and Schmitt. Certainly in America all conservative thought can be summarized by "it's ok when we do it"; the Christian and traditionalist ornaments it puts up are the original virtue signaling.

>>24485160 (OP)
Next time don't include "conservative" in the OP if you want quality replies, all it does is attract all the leftist subhuman trolls who always need to vent, but can't actually post anything on-topic or even truthful.

>>24485160 (OP)
It died alongside tasteful homosexuality

I love how Buckley fits the austrian painter's idea of jewish rhetoric perfectly, every time he clearly gets BTFO'd in a debate he just carries on like nothing was ever said to begin with seconds prior.

Neocons got discreted by the iraq war and bush crashing the economy, which led to obama being elected. Obama failed to bring hope and change, just a black neoliberal who loves drone strikes and selling out to the bankers. Also culture became a vile miasma of ultra identity politics under obama, which led to liberals becoming the new moral police which led to people thinking democrats are lame, which led to trump surfing the alt right wave to win in 2016. further discrediting neocons through the rise of populism and nationalism. Neocons have failed so hard, they conserve nothing except tax breaks for rich people and israel. America has turned into a multicultural parking lot.

Of course fast forward 6 months into trumps second term and maga has died because of the war in iran, second term trump has been swallowed by the swamp and he has become one of them. trumps failure to make america great again will and has led to the discretizing of populism and nationalism. In 2028 most likely gop will return to being milqtoast neocon elitists. And thus the circle is complete, they will then go on to lose to the democrats

>>24487318
Fukuyama will always get the last laugh. Always.

>>24485160 (OP)
Zionist phony

>>24487325
yeah, i feel like if china fails to overcome america its over. fukuyama fucking won

>>24487325
That's a natural result of adopting Hegelianism

>>24487318
I don't think you can go back to milquetoast Bushism. You will probably see the emergence of genuinely anti-semitic politics for the first time in US history. Spend some time on instagram and you see these reels are getting millions of likes

>>24485160 (OP)
contradiction of terms

>>24487349
most normal people are not antisemitic or nick fuentes ball lickers.

pic related

Intellectualism is inherently progressive. It defies the organic and rhythmic pulse of instinctive life and the waking unconscious and sterilizes it with rational processes and utopian dreaming. To conservatism we owe the living history of the Caesars, ancient China, Japan, the great kings of Europe, the barbarian Horselords, conquests of America, Alexander, and Napoleon. Intellectualism gave us liberalism, marxism, and the failed French Revolution.

>>24485160 (OP)
In all seriousness, it's still alive in First Things magazine, a conservative Catholic / Jewish Zionist magazine, and in the columns of Ross Douthat

>>24487359
These are millions and millions of people
There's no such thing as "normal people" in our society
That poll is meaningless, obviously people are afraid of the scary brown muslims having nukes, but I'm talking about the vanguard. It's very obvious what's happening

>>24487375
yes there are, we call them normies, or normal fags. people who are not extremely online. People who are interested in stability and not revolution. People who are married, have kids, have a job. Have a mortgage to pay.

not everyone is an alienated retard who is drawn to extremist politics.

Conservatism needs to die so that the Right can breath.
It's a Gramscian Leftist subversive movement that successfully infiltrated the metapolitical dialectic as controlled opposition for Progressivism; all it does is exist as a speedbump to "conserve" values and eventually bankrupt itself of any axiology. It's evil because it's weak when it sells itself as strong. It lacks vitality, goodness, and nobility. It is jewish in spirit and not Christian in Spirit; Conservatism couldn't even Conserve God...
Fuck Conservatism.
S

>>24487388
>[Conservatism] a Gramscian Leftist subversive movement
just to emphasize my point, Neoconservatism was formed by literal communist Trotskyist globalist jews. look it up. it's a jewish political movement.

>>24487392
Remember that even the CCCP fell and the Cold War ended on the boomer front, the metapolitical war between the Left & Right itself raged on(line).
Eventually there will be a winner in this dialect and it won't go on forever like some kinda shit schizophrenic metapolitical halting problem.
It's the Right that wins obviously. They are right (they still believe in Objective Truth vs. Subjective Reality even if their politicians don't. The Right can be God-like, the Left cannot).

They're going by "postliberalism" now.

>>24487385
You're delusional. And as a general point, "normal fags" don't determine the course of political history, these things happen by the will of small and active minorities ("democracy" has never existed). It has always been this way
>People who are married, have kids, have a job. Have a mortgage to pay.
This is like less than half of the population lol, look at the birthrates, a civilization purposely failing to reproduce (especially with no material constraints) has never happened in the history of the world

It's almost as though in your world politics doesn't exist lol
Your entire attitude is "Have a normal one" lol
But the underrated thing with the emergence of anti-semitism is the mimetic effects of the person of Hitler, who in the popular mind became the definition of pure evil, when he was really nothing extraordinary in that regard. It's the nature of the world that such distortions cannot be sustained--we are dealing with a huge release of pressure in the collective psyche
>not everyone is an alienated retard who is drawn to extremist politics.
Yes but a huge percent of the world is -- the modern world is by definition incredibly alienating.
I have no idea what the point of your world weary "be normal, normal people are normal" routine is. Give it up

>>24487422
look kid, its over. Politics is just going to be boring uniparty shit from now on. You will learn to love big brother.
Your revolution will never come.

>>24485160 (OP)
Conservatism was never intellectual, it was just a middle ground fallacy between the intellectual libertarians and the traditionalists; if you want intellectual "right wing" thinkers, you must look at either of those two camps. Just like how trashlib progressives don't have a coherent ideology, but just a watered down fusion of authoritarian Marxism and anarcho egoism.

>>24487430
It already is boring uniparty, I'm only saying the center cannot hold. Anyway, if you want to lecture people on normalcy, do so on some other site. Your just full of self-hatred

>>24487422
If you've ever driven a car or gone to a fast food place or a grocery store, you'd see the vast majority of people are complete self centered retards and you're just sheltered from their retardation in your social circle. These are the people who hear a commie give a speech and think "wow, free stuff, i like free stuff, i guess i know who I'm voting for." Or the equivalent for a republican agenda. Unfortunately every one of these drooling cretins has the same amount of votes as you, and is it any wonder the world is where it is? Plato was right about democracy.

>>24486480
Actually low IQ idiots are esoteric fascists.
>World is unstable and everything is changing too fast
>Let's return to an utopian past that never existed instead of dealing rationally, with optimism, wit, and hope, with the problems that confront us
Right wing and conservatism are the ideologies of the retarded and the demented old.
To return to OP, Intellectual conservatism is an oxymoron because the more educated you become the less sense being a conservative makes sense.
A quick historical overview will show that such conservative concepts as nation and race, like whiteness, are very new, most of them originating with the revolutions of the 1800th centuries and the romantic volk retardation. The same with so called traditions. Most of them are far fresher than the conservatives suspect (For example, there was nothing traditional about Hitler's torch marches and dances).
And then is the issue of government and state, What is the state? What purpose does is serve? A serious analysis will lead you into relativity and leftist thinking.
And then there's psychology and sociology. What is a nation? Are you born a Russian, Estonian, American, or you become one through learning performative actions and performative perceptions proper for the social organization you're born into? What is citizenship? How real is it?
The problem with conservative thinking is that it's essentialist. It believes there are some hardcore truths about human identity and social organization and everything that deviates from these hardcore truths is improper, wrong. Such a position has no intellectual ground versus a leftist progressive thinker who studied history, sociology, anthropology, psychology, and who is painfully aware of the relativity and performativity of human behaviour, be it micro- or macrosocial. The only retort a conservative thinker can make is to religion (a human invention) or tradition (human invention) or nation or race (human inventions, to certain degree). He's like a rat pressed against the wall. He doesn't have any way but to capitulate. And if he decides to read up to make a weighty argument to a leftist, and if he's intellectually honest, he will come to see how leftist, progressive, postmodern ideas are actually more rooted in reality than his essentialist, essentially archaic and primitive, thinking.
Hence, why all smart people tend to be leftists or end on the left in the end. It's a result of the rational, unbiased analysis of the human social situation.

>>24487463
>leftists are smart because smart people are leftist
Circular logic doesn't become a self styled member of the intellectual ideology.

>>24487459
>self hatred

stop projegting nigga.
no one is going to rise up you retard.

when you are an old man you will relize you wasted your life thinking the people arent vermine.

As Schopenhauer said about democracy, i would rather be ruled by a lion than a bunch of rats

>>24487359
>americans
>normal people

>>24487476
>As Schopenhauer said about democracy, i would rather be ruled by a lion than a bunch of rats
I like what LoGH had to say about how Democracies reduce Oligarchies; where 51% majority rule can really be ruled by 2%
plato also wrote of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AejUAxj0R0A

>>24485160 (OP)
There was nothing especially intellectual about Buckley. He had an excellent command of language, a faculty that he mostly used to disguise the fact that he had nothing very interesting to say.

>>24487402
Nobody believes in objective truth anymore anon. Reality does not exist.

>>24487496
I like how that schlubby anime character can clearly map onto virtually any glib GOP politician; he knows the game and how to play his role ("I can lie for you wholesale!").
Conservatism is smothering the Right

>>24487504
>Reality does not exist.
Nigga that is air you are breathing!

>>24487504
>>24487513
Either that or I'm realer than you.

>>24487476
>when you are an old man you will relize you wasted your life thinking the people arent vermine.
>As Schopenhauer said about democracy, i would rather be ruled by a lion than a bunch of rats
I don't disagree with that
Or expect a bright future
What I'm saying in a sense has already occurred
I meet "normal people" in "real life" who like Nick Fuentes, who is hardly the best or the central representative of antisemitism
It's pretty inevitable when the most evil country in the world is the Jewish state

>esoteric fascism mentioned

i will now participate in your thread

>>24487591
> Confucian Jeffersonian Fascism

>>24485160 (OP)
>post one lil image of the buck
>instant leftypol seethe
It works every time.

>>24485178
>2pbp

Actual conservatism, the philosophy and ideology, is underserved and politically unattended

>https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/conservatism/

>>24487636
Conservatism is absolutely meaningless in today's world. Its merely a rehearing for users and conformists to leftist totalitarian

>>24486480
>Weak faggots who spend their whole life in the closet. Anyone with a brain and a bicep is some manner of esoteric fascist now.
And the great thing about it, you don't have to be in the closet.

>>24485160 (OP)
>Circumcision is a ruthlessly physical act. Waves of emotion swept over me as my eight-day-old son lay screaming and the rabbi recited the prayers and the doctor wielded his scalpel. My mind was utterly disordered by the visceral reality of the event. But one thought came, and it has so lodged itself in my memory that I am very nearly consumed by it to this day.
>It was a thought of self-doubt, a worry about the invisibility of my own faith. How many times had I come to the altar of my church to receive the bread and wine? How many times had I confessed my sins and received absolution? How many children had I seen baptized with water and anointed with oil? I could not count the times, and in each instance I felt the truth of Jesus’ promise: I will be with you until the end of the age. He is with us, in our hearts and on our lips.
>So I had come to believe, as my own path paralleled my wife’s turn of deepened immersion in the religious life. And yet, there, in the sterile environment of an outpatient room at the hospital, I watched and saw God’s word in the flash of the knife marking my son’s flesh—so physical, so immediate, so shockingly intimate, so permanent. Christ was in my heart and on my lips, but was I unmarked in my flesh, unchanged in the brute reality of my life?

>>24487318
>Of course fast forward 6 months into trumps second term and maga has died because of the war in iran
Why would it die because of the war in Iran.

I think you're right that the Democrats will come back into power though. But maybe this is my own bubble of personal and anecdotal experiences, but the actual Trump supporters I know irl are the same people who voted for George W. Bush and they haven't really changed. I'm not sure there has been any major change really. I know a couple that wears MAGA merch casually, volunteers at their county GOP office, and don't even know about social media memes that online TRUMP supporters get into, but which I know about (because I'm a terminally online fag). And while I haven't asked them about him bombing Iran yet, I'm pretty certain they'll be for it, because they're big Israel supporters.

>>24487349
>I don't think you can go back to milquetoast Bushism. You will probably see the emergence of genuinely anti-semitic politics for the first time in US history.
IMO, antisemitic politics are a major sign of a movement in some state of disintegration or collapse and they need a scapegoat for why things are going wrong for them.

>>24487422
>You're delusional. And as a general point, "normal fags" don't determine the course of political history
>>24487430
>look kid, its over. Politics is just going to be boring uniparty shit from now on. You will learn to love big brother. Your revolution will never come.
I think the Holden Bloodfeasts will win. It's like the line from The Big Lebowski, "your revolution is over, Mr. Lebowski! The bums will always lose!"

>>24487463
>Let's return to an utopian past
annnd you have no idea what fascism is. Post disregarded

>>24487470
I think the guy is a retard but that wasn't his justification for it, he says smart people are leftists because leftist arguments and concepts are more coherent and reasonable (they arent)

>>24487751
>IMO, antisemitic politics are a major sign of a movement in some state of disintegration or collapse and they need a scapegoat for why things are going wrong for them.
It's not that complicated. The most evil State in the world purports itself to be "the Jewish State" and all criticism of this state is condemned as anti-semitic. I'm just objectively looking at forces, I don't hate Jews at all. One thing I've learned recently--the Jews may dominate the press, but they are absolutely terrible at PR

>>24487504
>Reality does not exist.
And yet your own framework fails to give you a basis to make such a universal claim. Curious!

>>24487463
That's a lot of words to aggressively misunderstand both facism generally, and esoteric fascism, which is not a designation in itself but a catch-all for various eccentric belief systems that don't necessarily agree.

>>24485160 (OP)
It was a myth created by ad agencies in the 60s.

>>24485160 (OP)
Communism was powerful enough at one point to shape the course of history for half a continent, fill the world with the fear of nuclear peril. This is the only time in history leftism produced anything powerful and independent from/rival to the hegemony of the time. The only time it had vitalist aesthetics and armies filled with strong men who believed in something. You may not agree and I am not saying these things to endorse communism at all. It's just how it was. Modern leftism is incapable of growth, success, competency of any kind and even to a certain degree thought. Communism was suffocated to death by being accepted into the establishment in the West's academia and became what it is now, conservatism is allowing the same thing to happen to itself out of a mistaken confidence in anything and anyone that represents anti-communism as though the establishment is necessarily communist as it stands or as though anyone who claims to be against communism/the establishment automatically is. We are witnessing the last generation for whom "conservatism" has any frame of reference for what it's conserving.

>>24489984
>Modern leftism is incapable of growth, success, competency of any kind and even to a certain degree thought
Modern leftism is overflowing with new ideas and ways of analyzing contemporary society. We can talk about postmodernity, intersectionality, technofeudalism, late capitalism, biopolitics, the hyperreal, third wave feminism, gender abolitionism, and so on. Some of these are so influential they've even been incorporated into right wing spheres.
>Communism was suffocated to death
I don't see evidence of this. Communism is still immensely popular among leftists and was involved in practically all of the new leftist intellectual movements of the 20th century. It's not suffocation that communists ceased trying to analyze everything via dialectical materialism, in fact, I'd say it constitutes the 'growth' that you chastise modern leftism for lacking.

>intellectual
>conservatism
Anon, I….

>>24485178
you should write modernist style novels, long-ass-sentence-writer ass