I find it hard to believe

No, for Marx, this was just one of the degenerations of Capital. Just like homosexuality and drug use.

>>24485354 (OP)
no he would instantaneously recognize that capitalism had expanded its markets to the biological level through the commodification of personal identity and biological sex through hormones, sex changes, and the massive media industry surrounding pounding sexually confused and deviant human detritus with propaganda into spending tens of thousands of dollars to pharma corps to castrate themselves

ive been banned multiple times on lefty/pol/ for making this argument btw. trannies would realize all this if they actually read marx and theory instead of gooning to sissy porn all day

>>24485390
>multiple times on lefty/pol/ for making this argument btw.
That place is such an echochamber filled with snowflakes

>>24485354 (OP)
Communism is now a joke. Every genuine modern leftist is a retarded piece of shit who actively works against the working class because our elites psyops them into worshipping browns and faggots.

>>24485396
yeah its a circle jerk with tranny mods. some interesting discussions here and there but after 5 minutes you've seen it all

>>24485416
It’s fine though, pride is officially in decline and nobody cares anymore. Trannies had some good ideas, but the neglect of bio-essentialism, the vilification of scientists, especially psychologists, and Judith Butler style apologetics that are mostly indistinguishable from Petersonian word salad outside of “cis bad and oppressive” all gets tiring real quick. Marx would have an aneurysm if he saw so-called socialists supporting trans without questioning it and would argue that it is capitalism poisoning human bodies, and the elevation of bourgeois individualism in the form of personal identity above science. He’d instantly recognize how this would create a falsely oppressed class, one that would clash with the proletariat and one that can be manipulated by the bourgeois to quell any revolution via division in the proletariat.

I tend to think that trans will be seen like how we saw eugenics in the past century: something that seemed a part of technological progress and was supposedly scientific, when in fact it never was and was simply the pipe dream of some mentally disturbed individuals

>>24485390
isn't it a good thing that you can modify your body more, like in cyberpunk? I think it's cool, I just don't tranny ideology, but the medical science part is cool to me
>>24485396
leftypol is the worst leftist website ever, just a tankie tranny board

>>24485390
This is entirely possible
Its also entirely possible that he would have liked them

Nobody will ever know and trying to divine the views of men long dead is retarded

/thread.

>>24485463
are you a tranny

>>24485494
no. I do not care about troons. they are crossdressers at best and schizos at worst. probably somewhere in the middle.

>>24485503
I'm a tranny though

>>24485505
awesomesauce

>>24485462
no, bodily augmentation opens the door to transhuman totalitarianism

>>24485458
>I tend to think that trans will be seen like how we saw eugenics in the past century: something that seemed a part of technological progress and was supposedly scientific, when in fact it never was and was simply the pipe dream of some mentally disturbed individuals
lol I've said to my own family that trannies and sex change operations will be looked back on how we look back on lobotomies today, only lobotomies weren't pushed on a mass level for both profit and as a cultural psychological warfare campaign. I totally agree on the falsely oppressed class idea and that its just a giant divide and conquer scheme. Trannies will be looked back in the absolute worse of historical and cultural memory because of all this.

>>24485354 (OP)
he would be a chaser yes

>>24485540
I'll take that bet. See you next century.

People put wayyy to much value on Marx himself. Marxism is meant to be treated like a science and not just take everything Marx himself wrote as infallible

>>24485678
Yeah. It's why I find the aspersions about his personal character or lifestyle tiring, when they float around. Who gives a shit?

>>24485354 (OP)
Marx shittold libs

>>24485678
the fact that its even called marxism is weird.

Like 90% of transsexuals and gays in general are lumpenproles. They’re interested in Marxism because they don’t want to work and they unironically think that this is what Marx thought. If given the chance they would watch porn and fuck each other all day. I say this as a Marxist myself.

>>24485390
This. If coca cola wants you to transition it’s probably not in your best interest.

Isn't tranny shit just straight-up Satanic? As in, of the same manner as the Devil?

This isn't a knee jerk "trannies bad" thing at all, it's a matter of the fact that trannies think they know better about their own metaphysical and biological state than God. God made them either a man or a woman, very clearly, but trannies THINK they're actually a woman or a man. They think, basically, that God erred in their creation, and they are deciding to follow their own thoughts, and their own wills, on what they should be biologically, rather than God's.

How is this not pretty clearly a "non serviam"? And in light of that, how can any Christian possibly be a tranny supporter? I don't get the ones that are, the position makes no sense to me.

>>24485463
The odds that he would like them is overwhelmingly slim, subject not only to the criticism here but also the fact that Marx was just as racist, sexist, etc., as his time and no less.

>>24486086
If god is so impotent that their infallible plan can be undone by a depressed teenager in a miniskirt and thigh high socks, why call them a god? Alternatively, perhaps those people being transgender and having that experience is explicitly part of the plan, and you should stop questioning your own god?

>>24485354 (OP)
I don’t think anyone from the 1800s would like trannies, even the most politically progressive people, unless they were massive perverts that saw them as a sexual curiosity

>>24486086
If you aren't coming from a trannies bad place, would you make the same argument for correctable/treatable birth defects or genetic diseases?
Is it satanic to wear glasses, use rogaine, or get cleft palate surgery?

>>24486086
very few transgender people are christian, and this is an absurd criticism if you are not speaking to other christians.

what the fuck is "leftcom"? aren't all commies leftists?

>>24486147
>rogaine
1000% yes
Baldness is holy

>>24486152
It's a term for those more hardcore on issues (especially internationalism) than mainline communists. There are like three or four different strains.
>Bordiga's Italian clique
>Pannenkoek's Dutch-German clique, the closest heirs of Luxemburg
>Bogdanov's Vpered weirdos in Russia
>the Shengwulian in China

>>24486136
>it's god's plan, hon
thanks for the laugh

>>24486136
TRUTH NUKE
God created trans people to be trans.

>>24486160
You're a blasphemer because God is all-powerful and can decide to give me dysphoria or not.

>>24486152
Left communists oppose Leninism and social democracy and lean closer to anarchist communism.

>>24486163
Bordiga was more Leninist than Lenin. Or are you thinking of the Dutch-German ones (who Lenin criticized in his Infantile Disorder book)? Even they hate anarchists.
Source:
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1913/socialism-anarchism.htm

>>24486171
I was being extremely general.

>>24485354 (OP)
he would say its a divisive psyop to keep working class whites from embracing left wing ideas.
and he would be right.
I am glad he is not around to point it out.

>no he would support trans rights!
no one as interested in human history as Marx would support trooning.
he would at minimum be aware of all the health problems eunuchs faced later in life.

>>24486176
That's fair. I'm just autistic.

>>24486162
>god is all powerful, hon
>he willed me to chop off my cock, hon

>>24486185
Keeping my dick but goin on HRT was the best decision of my life

>>24486192
Tell us your journey

>>24486206
>weird kid
>depressed teenage twink
>go on HRT in college
>finally feel better
>keep dick because bottom surgery is really gross
>now basically a futa with tits and all

>>24486210
LARPing retard. You can't even get hard or have a sex drive on HRT

>>24486210
I'm glad you found happiness, I wish I had a similar magic bullet.

>>24486213
That's... just not true? It reduces hardness for sure, but it's still there somewhat, and my sex drive hasn't gone down at all (though I've heard bottom surgery does hit that).

>>24486219
Thank you anon. I hope you find happiness too.

>>24486223
Does Viagra do anything

>>24486226
I don't know, never tried it but it probably would.

>>24485678
Plus Marx didn’t honestly didn’t begin the first ideals and praxis of Communism, nor the written definition or principles. It was Engels.

>>24486219
You can google DIY estrogen and progesterone, femanon. Relatively inexpensive, especially if you have your boyfriend or dommy lesbian girlfriend buy it for you.

>>24485372
>>24485390
/pol/tards chudding out
>>24486152
it's a terminally online ideology exclusive to twitter users

>>24486185
he literally did this with the jews though

>>24486251
My issue isn't gender dysphoria, it's run of the mill >tfwnogf >tfw35kv bullshit. I've been to therapy and chasing the self improvement carrot for years but I still haven't gotten any results. Meds don't make me feel better either.

Trannysm is exclusively bourgeoise

>>24485514
So you do like troons. Fuck off tranny.

>>24486162
Your mom's trans too

>>24485540
>only lobotomies weren't pushed on a mass level for both profit and as a cultural psychological warfare campaign
You are retarded and do not know the medical history.

>>24486272
You don't need to have gender dysphoria to grow boobs and date a trans-inclusive lesbian, girlie.

>>24485390
>>24485396
The only interesting threads on /leftypol/ were the Cockshott threads solely because British terfs are trans repellent

>>24485390
If this theory made any sense, Cuba, East Germany, and Vietnam would not be so pro--tranny dude

>>24485390
Something being mediated through capitalism does not make it fundamentally immoral. That’s like saying Marx would hate clothing because sweatshops exist, or that labor is bad because it gets exploited. A critical analysis of the trans-ing industry or engaging with actual gender studies theory about performativity and how that might intersect with modern capitalism is less interesting than going reeee trannies though so I understand

>>24486732
Like yeah, the base determines the superstructure, no shit. This is Marxism 101. That doesn’t mean trannydom or gender nonsense is inextricable from capitalism or somehow wouldn't exist in a Marxist society, only that in our current society the form it’s taken can/must be analyzed through capitalism

>>24486732
>>24486765
Its totally artificial and constructed. Go take a nice long look at the (lack of) prevalence of trooning out and the wider cultural clout it has in China and other countries that doesn't have sadistic, predatorial pharma industries pushing this stuff on behalf of capitalist ruling classes.

>>24486772
Also, trannies suck the air out of every room they are in, and are basically walking third-rails, which if lefty/pol/ and lefties infighting is any indication, will just serve as another progressive stack wedge to destroy efforts at actual revolutionary praxis. just further example of them being capitalist golems.

>>24486772
All gender is artificial and constructed and the parameters of it are constantly changing silly that’s like the first thing you have to understand to have a serious discussion about it. You can then go “I think it’s good to force people into meaningless boxes corresponding to a static set of standards from one exact year” but first you have to come to terms with basically nothing about gender being objective. Trannies want to abide by constructed masculine or feminine social roles - there is a very long history of people of a certain biological sex for whatever reason finding fulfillment through roleplaying the “opposite” gender identity. I think capitalism is fundamentally amoral and does whatever’s good for profits but I think you have to be a little retarded to think Big Transgender is pulling a bunch of strings to make people dysphoric

>>24486782
Its preying upon a rotting, necrotizing, perverted culture for not just profit, but the manufacturing of a lightning rod of a cultural issue that has heavily retarded US politics. The rest of everything you said just sounds like typical tranny copes to deny the fact your identity is made up, artificial, and heavily manufactured for ulterior motives, aka you are a useful idiot. Like I said, stop gooning to sissy porn and maybe actually read and do some real introspection instead of feeding your mental illness more. Or chemically castrate yourself. I don't care and I'm going to bed.

>>24486782
>I think you have to be a little retarded to think Big Defense is pulling a bunch of strings to make people war hungry jingoists
Capitalism isn't amoral, its evil and brainwashes people, including you.

>>24486788
I am not transgender, you are correct that oligarchs manufacture division over social issues to distract from our actual problems, you are wrong with the motte and bailey that this means trannyism is something that has been whole cloth fabricated
>>24486794
What? The difference between the military industrial complex and HRT is night and day, especially given how easy it is to make your own hormones. Literally not comparable at all what are you blabbering about

>>24485354 (OP)

>>24486804

>>24485354 (OP)
Engels supposedly made drawings of a young Marx and himself with cat ears in a style similar to what is now known as "yuri"

>>24486804
well memed marx

>>24486782
isn't gender constructed according to material conditions?
if you're saying it's arbitrary, then you're absolutely not a Marxist, when Marxism even considers religion to not be "just" arbitrary and made up, but created according to material conditions

>>24486636
>Cuba, East Germany, and Vietnam would not be so pro--tranny
they weren't/aren't.

>>24486782
true

>>24486804