If math is the language of the universe and the whole numbers start with one, does that mean that the universe started with one god, and thus, Monotheism? What's the logical fallacy here?

>>24489732 (OP)
The Natural Numbers start with zero. Therefore atheism is the truth.

>>24489817
0 and then one
nothing and then god

Math is the language of the mechanics of the universe, not the language of the universe itself.

>>24489732 (OP)
>>24489817
Are you guys retarded? Whole numbers start from zero and natural from 1

>>24489732 (OP)
The fallacy is that there's nothing whatsoever linking the first whole number and monotheism. It's actually embarrassing you even posit this.

Math is not the language of the universe. There is no language of the universe.

We don't actually know that. It's just worked so far.

>>24489732 (OP)
the whole numbers (I assume you mean the integers) don’t “start” with anything. They are unbounded. Every ring is the principal ideal of its unit, but that’s just baked into the definition. There are plenty of categories with neither an initial nor terminal object and plenty of them where they coincide. Git gud.

πr2

>>24489870
So far it's English. Everyone speaks it.

>>24490453
Don't see Nature speaking it.

>>24489732 (OP)
It's interesting that you start from number systems and not from geometry like the ancient Greeks did.

>>24490462
Same shit. Learn algebraic geometry, my dude.

>>24489817
>The Natural Numbers start with zero.
no, it starts at 1. "0" is merely an informal description of absence. like when you have 14 of an object, you have "0" of what constitutes 15.

>>24489732 (OP)
one isn't half of two, two are halves of one

>>24490460
what do you think genes are

>>24490473
>he thinks the Latin alphabet is exclusive to English

>>24490465
>algebraic ""geometry""
>can't even derive the area of a triangle

>>24490484
You don't even need algebraic geometry for that kek. Just basic linear algebra. It's 1/2|a x b|, where x is the cross product.

>>24490490
Don't be a reddit pseud. Areas of triangles are elementary school math. Acting smug about this is pathetic.

>>24489732 (OP)
Math is not the language of the universe it's an estimation of it

>>24489732 (OP)
Universal as mathematics is. that proves nothing whatever about universal agency.

>>24490507
What is the area of a triangle inscribed on a sphere

>>24490468
>"0" is merely an informal description of absence
You can make that statement only by applying operations and interpretations to the natural numbers, and which you apply is a matter of convention only. You are using the later to understand the earlier. The Peano axioms are indifferent towards calling the initial element zero or one.

>>24490473
uh, not in fucking english you dolt

>>24490507
What? You claimed that algebra can't derive the area of a triangle. You got proven wrong. Suck my wiener, faggot.

>>24490667
>t. retard who doesn't know what algebraic geometry is

>>24490688
Straight lines aren't algebraic varieties? News to me.

>>24490540
Triangles don't have curved edges. As an algebraic geometrist, you should know that. Those are called spherical triangles.

>>24489732 (OP)
>What's the logical fallacy here?
Is 1 the only number that exists?

math is like gender a social construct so that's a kinda dumb premise op but that's why u posted a frog cuz this is an engagement farm anyways what if we use a nondecimal or nonbinary system to count like how about a base 1/3 system then one is actually .333 so if u start counting at one u got 1/3 of a god

>>24490462
They should have started with the Greeks

>>24490869
>t. doesn't understand math or what a counting system is

>>24490924
ya i realized 1 is always 1 half way through writing that post but its frog thread so i posted it anyways

>>24489732 (OP)
you can't have a logical fallacy when there is no logic.

>>24489732 (OP)
You're confusing "beginning" in an ordinal sense with "beginning" in a temporal sense. You're also assuming a metaphysical correlation between language and reality.