HELLO I want to make a nice bookshelf with nice hardback editions, the older the better, of the best writing in all history of europe and europe's colonies. Big-brain White Man chud excellence. Chronologically it will start with Homer, Hesiod, Herodotus. Does anyone want to make suggestions. Also please do not include anything published after world war 1. Pretend i only have like 10 years to live and i want to absorb as much worldview insights of the people i share kinship with. Please keep christian things to a minimum so theology stuff that's philosophy rather than bible neurotic nit-picking
>>24490510 (OP)>the people i share kinship withWhat is your ethnic background?
im going to just put some author names in while i think of them and you can all tell me if x is shit or y is missing.
thucydides, aristotle, plato, aeschylus, sophocles, euripides
virgil, ovid, cicero, tacitus, horace, lucretius
chaucer, dante, boccacio, beowulf poet
shakespeare, cervantes, montaigne, machiavelli, descartes, voltaire
hobbes, dickens, goethe, dostoevsky, melville
>>24490530i mean people who descend from the Western Hunter-Gatherers, Early European Farmers and Western Steppe Herders that make up europe from pre-history
OP doesn't know that the Greek and subsequently Latin writing system is derived from Phoenician.
OP doesn't know that many of the Greek classics take inspiration from Ancient Near Eastern folk traditions that spread to Ionia via the Achaemenid Empire.
Don't be like OP.
>>24490568i dont know why youre being such a stinky leftist/brown-boy. it's pretty clear from my post that i mean the authors are european. i'm not talking about alphabets or persian comparative myths
The Greeks you say?
>Whiteness was associated with femininity. Aristophanes’ Thesmophoriazeusae 191-192 has Euripides criticising Agathon as λευκος (white), γυναικοφωνος (woman-voiced), and ‘απαλος (soft). His Ecclesiazeusae 428 similarly has a young man described as λευκος proposing that women should rule the city. Xenophon’s Hellenica 3.4.19 records Spartan soldiers, on seeing that their enemies are λευκος, deciding that fighting against them would be ει γυναιξι δεοι μαχεσθαι (like having to fight women). Euripides’ Bacchae 457 has Pentheus describe Dionysus as λευκος, and also ουκ αμορφος […] ‘ως ες γυναικας (not ill-formed […] as unto women, 453-4). The association is quite consistent.
>Meanwhile, Aristotle’s Politics makes a ‘golden mean’ argument about geography and ethnicity, if not precisely skin colour, claiming that Europeans and people living in cold places are θυμοῦ μέν ἐστι πλήρη, διανοίας δὲ ἐνδεέστερα καὶ τέχνης (‘full of courage but lacking in intelligence and skill’), and thus are too disorganised to conquer their neighbours, whilst Asians are διανοητικὰ μὲν καὶ τεχνικὰ τὴν ψυχήν, ἄθυμα δέ (‘intelligent and skilful, but without courage’, Politics 7, 1327b), and that Greeks occupy the perfect mean between the two and thus have intelligence, skill, and courage. Pale-skinned northern Europeans, then, he represents as inferior.
>As with Ancient Egyptians, Mycenaean Greeks and Minoans generally depicted women with pale or white skin and men with dark brown or tanned skin. As a result, men with pale or light skin, leukochrōs (λευκόχρως, "white-skinned") could be considered weak and effeminate by Ancient Greek writers such as Plato and Aristotle.
>White skin was so strongly associated with women that Aristotle felt compelled to offer a biological explanation: women lose so much blood during menstruation, that it makes them pale.
>The examples given in LSJ indicate that leukos, meaning "white-skinned" (entries II.b and c), is "a sign of youth and beauty" (II.b) when applied to women, but means "weakly, womanish" (II.c) when applied to men.
>Furthermore, Agathon's effeminate good looks feature white skin (leukos, 191). Stehle notes that "His mask was probably white, the standard type for an effete male in Aristophanes"
>In Xenophon pale skin comes to signify 'physical debilitation,'
>Aristophanes’s schema is simple and essentialist: white skin = woman, tan skin = man, and suggesting the opposite = comedy.
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>>24490620i dont know what you intended to achieve with this paragraph that reads like you got ai to compile it for you.
if greek women are consistently described as beautifully fair and pale by greek men, and you are willing to take the enormous leap in logic with me in claiming that during the classical period, greek women and greek men were the same ethnicity, then you support my worldview. i.e., if greek men dont go in the sun regularly, they would be white too, rather than "stuck brown" like an arab or chinaman.
have you ever seen a swedish man with a tan? they get a great colour on them, but of course can have light hair and eye colour too. would you look a nordic man on holiday in the Med dead in the eye and tell him he isn't White anymore?
>>24490515Obviously. Herodotus' whole thing is how northern Europeans conquered Anatolia and central Asia
>>24490629you've gone so far as to try to claim that pied-noirs French people like Camus aren't French. i need to play it smart and stop replying to agitators like you
>>24490676now that you've gotten your hatred of nazi bigot moron dorks out of the way, please can you give me your all-time pre-modern authors list
>>24490663I'm mocking your stupidity and closed-mindedness
>>24490686you were saying something wrong on purpose because you dont like me?
id rather you just tell me your favourite european authors pre-20th century
>>24490683Isn't there some self improver wojak meme where they have a bookshelf of a bunch of random philosophers people like you pretend to read and like? Since your whole life is a just a hollow simulacrum of what is prescribed by your manly man Internet peers you should start there m
>>24490705oh man you seem really upset about vaguely right-wing online stuff i'm going to ignore you now
>>24490650>rather than "stuck brown" like an arab or chinamanTell me you've never seen an Arab or Chinese man without telling me you've never seen an Arab or Chinese man
in all fields
>>24490900you ignored all the rest of what i said to instead make a snark reply that gives me vietnam flashbacks to 2014 tumblr.
4chan seems to have become totally infested by "dont call me a leftist" leftists for half a decade now, what a shame
You barbarians are not "kin" of the Greeks. They saw you as inferior animals.
>>24491006try and keep on topic buddy.
top 10 greek authors in your opinion
yikes anon, this is not a good look. You should try decolonizing your booshelf, here are my recommendations:
The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates
The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander
Becoming by Michelle Obama
Midnight: A Gangster Love story by Sister Soulja
How to be an Antiracist by Ibram X Kendi
The 1619 Project by Nicole Hannah-Jones
Bad Feminist by Roxanne Gay
White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo
Americanah by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
Hope this helps!
Not a single author mentioned ITT is white...
