Thread 24492906 - /lit/ [Archived: 745 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/24/2025, 7:22:52 PM No.24492906
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Two Realms of Reality: Plato posited the existence of two distinct realms:
The Visible World: This is the world we perceive through our senses โ€“ the world of physical objects, sights, and sounds. It is characterized by change, imperfection, and impermanence. It is merely a "shadow" or "imitation" of true reality.


The Intelligible World (World of Forms/Ideas): This realm exists outside of space and time and is accessible only through reason and intellect. It is populated by perfect, eternal, and unchanging entities called "Forms" or "Ideas." These Forms are the ultimate reality, the true essence of things.

Examples of Forms: Forms include universal concepts like Beauty, Justice, Goodness, Equality, Courage, and even mathematical entities like the perfect Circle or Triangle. For instance, a beautiful painting or person is beautiful only because it "participates" in the Form of Beauty.

Hierarchy of Forms: At the pinnacle of the Forms is the Form of the Good, which illuminates and gives being to all other Forms. It's often compared to the sun in the visible world.

Problem of Universals: The Theory of Forms was Plato's attempt to solve the "problem of universals," explaining how different particular things can share a common quality (e.g., many different chairs can all be recognized as chairs because they partake in the Form of Chair).
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 7:23:26 PM No.24492907
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>>24492906 (OP)
Allegory of the Cave
Presented in his work The Republic, the Allegory of the Cave is a powerful metaphor used to illustrate the Theory of Forms and Plato's ideas about knowledge and education.

The Setup: Imagine prisoners chained in a cave their entire lives, facing a wall. Behind them, a fire burns, and between the fire and the prisoners, people carry objects, casting shadows on the wall. The prisoners, having known nothing else, believe these shadows to be reality.

The Escape: One prisoner is freed and dragged out of the cave into the sunlight. Initially, the light blinds him, but gradually he adjusts and begins to see real objects, then reflections, and finally the sun itself. He realizes the shadows in the cave were mere illusions.

The Return: The freed prisoner feels compelled to return to the cave to enlighten his fellow prisoners. However, upon returning, his eyes are unaccustomed to the darkness, and he struggles to see the shadows. His fellow prisoners think he's been harmed and would likely react violently if he tried to free them, preferring their familiar "reality."
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:16:39 PM No.24493624
>>24492906 (OP)
>Plato posited the existence of two distinct realms:
no he didn't.
>It is merely a "shadow" or "imitation" of true reality.
he never said this
>These Forms are the ultimate reality, the true essence of things.
he never said this
>and even mathematical entities like the perfect Circle or Triangle
wrong
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:19:59 PM No.24493636
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>>24493624
you are blind
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:20:28 PM No.24493638
>>24493636
Read Plato
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:23:01 PM No.24493647
>>24493638
reread plato
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:24:06 PM No.24493650
Platoโ€™s theory of Forms is just theological window-dressing for authoritarianism. His cave allegory implies only a chosen elite can "see truth"โ€”sounds more like proto-fascism than philosophy.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:24:37 PM No.24493652
>>24493647
At least I can reread plato.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:30:20 PM No.24493666
>>24493652
I managed to read all of it but retard like you is insufferable
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:30:39 PM No.24493668
>>24493666
if you read all of it why do you need AI to talk about it for you?
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:34:30 PM No.24493678
>>24493668
I use AI for a specific outcome i will never tell the antichrist my plans, insufferable dog
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:39:05 PM No.24493687
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>>24493678
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:42:35 PM No.24493692
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 12:16:27 AM No.24493764
>>24492906 (OP)
do better nigger.
>Socrates metaphysical theory problems and solutions

AI Overview
Socrates' metaphysical theory, particularly as conveyed through Plato's dialogues, revolves around the idea of Forms.
The Theory of Forms:
The physical world is not the ultimate reality, according to this theory.
Instead, Forms are the true, timeless, non-physical, and unchanging essences of things.
Physical objects and matter "participate in," "imitate," or "resemble" these Forms.
For example, a beautiful flower is beautiful because it participates in the Form of Beauty.
Problems and Criticisms of Socrates' Metaphysical Theory (Theory of Forms):
The Problem of Participation (Methexis): Socrates acknowledges difficulty in explaining how particulars participate in Forms. How does a physical object like a chair "participate in" the Form of a Chair? This relationship is not clearly defined.
The Relationship Between Forms and Particulars: There are issues with the notion that physical things are simply imperfect images or copies of Forms. Change, multiplicity, and the unlimited nature of the physical world are not readily contained within the unchanging nature of Forms.
The Indeterminate Dyad: The indeterminate dyad, relating to the Forms of "Same" and "Other," raises concerns about the individuality and separability of Forms. For example, "Same itself" cannot exist without "Other itself," implying a codependence that complicates the idea of independent Forms.
Challenges to the Forms' Ontological Status: Some question the Forms' existence as independent, objective entities, suggesting they might be mere mental constructs or linguistic conventions.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 12:20:35 AM No.24493778
>>24493764
>Socrates the high and lower class metaphysical theory

AI Overview
Socrates and the "High" and "Lower" in Metaphysics
While Socrates himself didn't leave written works, Plato's dialogues often feature him as a character exploring profound philosophical ideas. Regarding a metaphysical theory of "high" and "lower" classes, one of the key concepts associated with Socratic and Platonic thought is the Theory of Forms (or Ideas).
Here's how this relates to a metaphysical "high" and "lower":
1. Realm of Forms (The "High"):
Plato's Theory of Forms suggests that the physical world is an imperfect reflection of a higher reality: the Realm of Forms.
Forms are abstract, perfect, and unchanging concepts or ideals that exist independently of the material world.
Examples include the Form of Beauty, the Form of Justice, or the Form of a Circle.
Forms are considered "higher" because they represent the true essence and universal nature of things.
Forms are understood through reason and intellect, not through sensory experience.
The Form of the Good is at the apex, giving meaning to all other Forms.
2. Material World (The "Lower"):
The material world is considered "lower" because it is a changing and imperfect copy of the Forms.
Material objects are impermanent and subject to decay, unlike the eternal and unchanging Forms.
They are merely shadows or imitations of the Forms.
Knowledge from the material world is considered opinion, based on changing perceptions.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 12:50:04 AM No.24493870
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