I can't shake off how shit the modern world is by looking at it through the eyes of old authors. Are we living in metaphysical hell?

>>24492923 (OP)

>>24492923 (OP)
this why Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is the best story ever

>>24492929
This is quite literally the worst time in history to be christian too.

>>24492935
QRD?

>>24492929
>it's not a mental illness

>>24492945
The best time to be christian is now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJQ44HnBfcw

>>24492935
Is it really that good? I see Phillip Dick being mentioned here pretty often lately. I tried reading this book in a stressful time but dropped it because I couldn't concentrate on it. Should I pick it up again? Is it really that good?

>>24492956
>The best time to be christian is now
That ship sailed around the 1200s... Also today, Christians are overwhelmingly brown.

>>24492964
>Also today, Christians are overwhelmingly brown.
What a wholly Christian sentiment.

>>24492964

>>24492923 (OP)
If I'm understanding you right, you're feeling unfulfilled and disappointed with the present quality of life, and the inherent lack of meaning in modern lifestyles driven by constant change. Closest I came to realizing the source of the problem was the sheer rate of change, and the commodification of every little bit of life/leisure we have, was by watching some youtube documentary called "Future Shock". Narrated by Orson Welles, the guy who wrote the book the video was about is Alvin Toffler. Haven't gotten around to reading his collection yet, but it made very accurate predictions about the 21st century. The guy was "optimistic" about these changes, I find them horrifying. No ideology or philosophy has been able to reassure me in regards to the future, best we can do is make the most of our immediate environment and wait for the outcome of an information society that has automated most worthwhile careers whilst promoting a glut of migrant labor to make the poors that much more fierce in competing for objectively shit careers and lives. You can thank kikes and the anglo elites for taking us into this hellscape wholeheartedly.

>>24492974
Get closer to God and all is solved

>>24492978
Eat shit christcuck, you people are walking billboards for mental illness and weakness. Between you and the evangelist atheists I don't blame aimless retards for embracing slopified buddhism or hardline islamism.

>>24492989
you are so weak yourself, with Christianity you can get stronger, can't even type my dude

>>24492970
I accept that there is some dignity to Christianity if you're in 1200s Europe and everyone is white, there's no women's rights, mass immigration, etc... But that's a fantasy today. And it's a meme that died in the 1800s.

>>24492974
I'd like to ask those old anglos why did they do it... Everything I desire is either illegal or 100x worse or even impossible nowadays, coupled with the tyrant state that wants to enslave me.

I'm not sure if it's the sheer rate of change, I think it could be quickly solved by taking back the power from the [frankly, evil] people that don't care about the nation's interests. Every European country is against bureaucracy, immigration, etc... Yet the elite somehow keeps pushing policy after policy to favor it. Lack of violence from the working man is ironically what's holding humanity back. And that's by design since men don't have a stake on society anymore (extended family).

>>24492978
"Getting closer to God" led you to be on a 4chan board neurotically spamming PNGs from Google Images. Therefore you're self-refuting.

>>24492974
Yet, it could be solved in a day by taking away women's vote and birth control.

>>24493007
>"Getting closer to God" led you to be on a 4chan board neurotically spamming PNGs from Google Images. Therefore you're self-refuting.
I'm using 4chan to get closer to God and force heathens to convert

>>24493019
>I'm grooming neurotic people into my jew cult
Yeah, great choice to start with 4chan, not like anyone who's strong or happy would fall for that.

>>24493015
Neither of those fix anything, the plebs were given total social freedom and they degenerated into shameless, greedy pieces of shit. Most of the human race is unwilling to sacrifice the more pointless comforts for us to produce more worthwhile civilizations. It's soul-crushing to see farmland near me get sold so that developer scum can put condos and mcmansions all over it. Fuckers won't rest until the entire country is a giant parking lot.
>>24493007
The ugly truth is that they were feeble minded pieces of shit that took the easy way out of some mild discomfort or harassment. Nothing can be done about that. I sincerely hope people get serious about organizing together in the more tightly-knit communities to stop development, or at least lynch the corrupt political class dragging us into oblivion. Our cities are unrecoverable (and irredeemable desu), at least in my eyes. The country, and planet, needs a very brutal reset that isn't agitated or controlled by outside actors trying to achieve some idiotic outcome of total social control. The future our richfag overlords envision is so horrible their descendants will curse them as we experience mouse utopia and crash into total nihilism and apathy.

>>24492929
rabbi yeshua?

>>24493067
>the plebs were given total social freedom and they degenerated into shameless, greedy pieces of shit.
Degenerated? They were always like this. That's quite the Jewish vision of people, thinking you're somehow better. I think that's promoted by the elite to increase dissidence and distrust between the working class. Of course, people are selfish and seek pleasure, since forever.

It's my personal opinion that if you fix the atomized family (by stopping the state from being women's daddies, and not giving taxpayer money to immigrants) along with fixing birth rates and promiscuity by banning birth control, things will naturally sort itself out.

Socialism is anti-natural.

We agree though even if we differ in method.

>>24493067
>. The country, and planet, needs a very brutal reset that isn't agitated or controlled by outside actors trying to achieve some idiotic outcome of total social control.
Won't happen naturally, so it's a delusion. There's also a reason why the elites want a "great reset" but you specified "not controlled by outside actors."

>>24493056

>>24493067
People are promiscuous and don't care about families because there's no benefit anymore.

The benefit of monogamy is resource investment, that was eliminated with birth control letting women fuck whoever without having to carefully select for men that will stay and invest resources in the child.

The totalitarian state has replaced extended family with welfare. That's the only reason why third world countries have higher birth rates and extended families.

Families are what make people invest in the future of a nation, without them there is no incentive.

Am I missing something? I'm open for criticism.

>>24493015
>just fuck my nation up with an 9001% increase in single motherhood

>>24493084
I'm more in line with the socialists, and by extension, national socialists (or fascists, either one). I'm not remotely confident in people sorting themselves out.
>Degenerated? They were always like this. That's quite the Jewish vision of people, thinking you're somehow better
I would agree somewhat, I'm being an elitist ass but I think it's warranted. Look at the fetish parties and subcultures of today and it goes beyond anything recorded in history. Nero fucking and then killing his mother (if this was true and not slander by Tacitus), Caligula and Tiberius engaging in copious butt-plundering of infants, the Spartans ritually murdering ethnically identical slaves as a rite of passage, Aztecs flaying or brutally sacrificing hundreds every year, etc... We've outdone these travesties in # (though it is obscured by the vastness of the modern world), depravity, and ultimately damage to social cohesion. The plebs seeing the rich living in emulation of the Marquis de Sade and create their own trashy equivalents, mistreating one another in civic matters and spurning the concept of family for monetary gain. I probably belong to the bulk of that mass, but most people aren't worth the air they grab. I'm convinced we have epochs of generally agreeable behavior reinforced not by outside actors and laws, but a cultural commitment to long-term thinking and family health.
>>24493089
I'd argue the "elites" are themselves utter failures compared to their predecessors. The Ford family is a good example, but most European noble families are also showing severe signs of decay. Mass media pollutes without discrimination, and everyone's children listens to the same nigger mumbling for music, and degeneracy celebrating filth for shows/films. They're not wrong in their conclusions, but fail to see they belong in the ditch with the rest of the shitheads.
>>24493108
The totalitarian state is crumbling, as the children emerging from these conditions are useless for practically anything. Who will fill the gaps in law enforcement, military affairs, and scientific progress (or even maintenance at this point) when the kids of tomorrow grew up with no positive outlet for their better qualities. The machine lays the foundation for it's own demise, the problem is I don't think we can afford to collapse and hope we can do another Industrial Revolution with the resources needed being absent and not as accessible as before. We either get extremely lucky exploiting our solar system or we're fucked and our legacy is monkeys and jeets cargo-culting the ruins of former great powers. A perpetual favela

we're experiencing the collapse of civilization so yeah probably.

>>24492971
and nothing of value was lost

>>24492923 (OP)
So, you've experienced it too, huh? Reading the words of history's great writers, immersing yourself in the wisdom of the people who defined modernity, only to put the book down and realize that the world you live in is exactly the world they warned about. That despite their fame and their influence on our intellectual history and academies, their words completely fell on deaf ears. The professionals who "study" people like Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Spengler, etc only do so to neutralize the impact of their writings and divorce them from the spirit of the common men on the streets who would benefit from their knowledge of the civilization that was coming. Just look at how Nietzsche went from the guy whose spirit was tied to the wars of the 21st century to becoming framed by academics as "the quirky nihilist guy with a big moustache." The great social critics of the past who aren't amicable to their project of subversion are internationally forgotten altogether -- Carlyle, Ruskin, Arnold, Mazzini, etc.

>>24493540
>becoming framed by academics as "the quirky nihilist guy with a big moustache."
No academic does this you fucking pseud.

>>24492956
I wish I could share your optimism, but we are in a position where Christians in the west are either Liberation theology faggots or Jew worshiping cucks that celebrate when their brothers in the East are slaughtered as a result of Israel supporting radical Jihadists to topple their neighbors.

>>24493561
That is the impact of their castration of Nietzsche. They're culpable for it, especially that faggot Kauffman

>>24493143
How do you think the world functioned before birth control, idiot?

>>24493540
Your writing is very pleasant

>>24493019
Why would I convert to a man made religion? Man created god not the other way around.

>>24492923 (OP)

>>24494006
God created man, man created religion

>>24493155
I enjoy thinking about these topics. Let's forget about politics or economics for a minute:

I am the opposite of a misanthropist yet I've grown very disillusioned with both the current state and societal composition.

Even the rich and beautiful that I know, are depressed.

The bar is much lower for ethics and morality, even for the average person that has always leaned towards immorality throughout history.

The only [individual] solution I can think of is something close to Nietzsche's ubermensch but much less gay, more cynic and aggressive. Socially manipulative, machiavellian, etc.

Yet, I am a soft person at heart instead of a sociopath. I am almost a naturally-born Christian, even though I hate christcucks. (>>24494029) So I usually end up giving away too much without taking and being a pushover, even being a big guy with years of boxing experience. Almost a decade of this and I've only dealt with bad people. The line between cowardice and kindness is very thin.

I imagine in a smaller polis where people will have to live their entire lives then have children, overall we'd have much more moral and ethical citizens who'd treat each other with kindness and charity out of necessity. So there's something to the "rat utopia experiment" stuff except it's less about "overpopulation" and more about everything else.

>>24494032
Did he really? Your brain is addled. There’s nothing up there, out there, or in you. Some people never grow up.

>>24494050
Let me guess, humanity created Zeus, Allah, Zoroaster, whatever Aztec God they sacrificed to...

But THIS TIME they got it right? Yeah okay. You're just a self-unaware product of your era.

>>24494044
I sadly relate very well to your example, except I'm just tall. Very agreeable even when agression is warranted.
>The line between cowardice and kindness is very thin.
You've got no idea how much that gnaws at me, but there is some relief in seeing others grapple with the matter. As for the rest of your argument, I haven't even finished Plato's Republic but I can see that he was probably the first to propose an all-encompassing system to dominate social development creating, not the most moral, but the most "just" individuals. The way he argues for censoring music (even the manner in which it is played), the tales of the gods being sanitized to make the Olympians enigmatic paragons, and all this makes for a worthwhile civilization. Maybe it is bound to "necessity", but I genuinely think this fruitful attitude of cooperation is inherent in homogenous environments, slowly chipped away as a regional culture becomes heterogenous and you start seeing the clashing of tribes, cities, kingdoms, and eventually empires. As much as the trade of ideas and information has benefited us, we'd do well to make these theoretical redoubts from modern depravity isolated entities without contact with other interregional, international, or intercontinental counterparts. What a damn shame we can't have these things emerge during a period of prolific space travel, as these unique enclaves would have more room to develop and bloom. Seeing how things currently are, I'm not sure who will emerge the champion of this planet but I'm waging it will be the Asiatic peoples, some superstate composed of mongrel Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. I see the rest of the world too devolved to successfully rebuild a healthy culture.

>>24493067
Honestly, not much more can be said about this that Nietzsche didn’t already say. What we really need to ask is why so few people care about the impending crisis. It’s not like it’s a secret. It has been described explicitly over a century ago by some German with a big mustache. But no one gives a fuck. Everyone in power deliberately engineers a world of nihilism and civilizational surrender. The blood of their people, the faith of their ancestors and the soul of their society means nothing to them. It’s astounding.

>>24492959
>>24492945
>>24494068

Electric Sheep parallels a lot of the current problems with modern life because Dick saw what was already happening, he just turned it into a book

>hunting down androids is just as soul-draining as any other job, Deckard is only in it to get a new object (a real animal) to replace his electric sheep (a robot copy - a nuclear war killed most animal species)
>the environment is fucked beyond repair and everyone is devoid of empathy

but despite how bad the world is, Deckard manages to renew hope for himself and for humanity at large, he learns to give things meaning and show empathy and love in a meaningless world

>>24492923 (OP)
>Are we living in metaphysical hell?
If metaphysics matters to you more than ontology, then yes, you are. Read Heidegger or Journey to the West.

>>24493108
Nietzsche on this. I can’t emphasize enough just how prescient and accurate he was on all of this, and what a shame it is that most of our discourse about him today is his ambiguous philosophical concepts instead of his strength as a social critic (because those strengths are threatening to the people in power)

>>24494707
Fellow Nietzsche enjoyer on 4chan? Fucking impossible. I specifically like his passage on marriage and its diminishing importance at that time - and now, it all became true. Fucking hell, Nietzsche, can't like him enough. All that he had ever said became true.
It's so grim for this shithole country - Vietnam - these monkeys, should they be ranked, are above Hindus and below the Chinese. They absorb everything the shitlib and Jews shit out, the "elites" of this country have the same intelligence as your average American zoomer (the left-er one, that is). Fuck, those who earned USAIDs' money and attended Gender studies are even preaching about faggots' rights here. It's so over for this country. Oh, my Majesty.
Late in turn of industrialization, early enough to eat up communism, asinine as the Champas and as greedy as the Hans.

>>24495348
Most people don't even recognize this crisis exists. How could we possibly even begin to address it?

>>24492945
>This is quite literally the worst time in history to be christian too.
Not really. At least not until the mark of the beast gets mass produced to the goy cattle. In terms of raising a family that is not tainted by secular propaganda it definitely is the hardest but at least we're not getting our heads chopped off or crucified... yet.

>>24492964
why is it a negative that non-whites are christian? christianity is a 'catholic' faith after all. its universal by principle.

>>24494695
>Deckard manages to renew hope for himself and for humanity at large, he learns to give things meaning and show empathy and love in a meaningless world
I get it and think it's pretty. Yet, I'm skeptic of these moralist conclusions.

Started reading the book yesterday because of your recommendation, we'll see!

>>24494704
>Read Heidegger or Journey to the West.
Thanks for the recommendations, anon. I was thinking of starting Heidegger recently.

>>24494707
What book is that excerpt from?
>>24495933
>but at least we're not getting our heads chopped off or crucified
There's no reason to because we're already castrated and surveilled, and society is fucked to minimize procreation and virtue. If the state thought Christians were any dangerous you can be sure they'd be crucifying you still.

>>24495970
>why is it a negative that non-whites are christian?
If you have to ask, you're too far gone. Go live in the African countries which are the most christian in the world for a week and you'll see. Religion is illusion.

>>24495987
oh youre a nietzscheteen. no need to discuss this further with you, then

>>24493155
What exactly was the genie out of the bottle that allowed all this to happen? Nietzsche says the death of God. But I'm not so sure. For example, female pop stars. We can all agree that music stars have had a catastrophic impact on society because of how they condition young women to be promiscuous, irreverent, opposed to marriage, physically immodest, etc. We can see this right now with controversies with someone like Sabrina Carpenter who is a former Disney star beloved by very young girls, many pre-pubescent. So why does every country allow these types of pop stars to become common, no matter what the values of those countries are? Why don't they just tell these people to fuck off and stop promoting them publicly in favor of normal celebrities? Why are K-pop stars allowed to be whores in a relatively modest country like Korea? Why are Balkan pop stars such disgusting degenerates like literal faggots such as Azis and bimbos on all their music videos? Why does Saudi Arabia now hold concerts hosting these people? These are all from conservative countries. Yet they have no issue importing the same social illnesses that disintegrate society, reduce trust between men and women, promote insincerity among their people through these consumer habits, etc. What is the real reason? Is it just capitalism?

>>24496020
I prefer Heidegger. And you're a Christcuck. What's it to you?

>>24496187
NTA

>What exactly was the genie out of the bottle that allowed all this to happen?
Anglos.

Jk... I don't know

>>24496187
Feminism? What you describe has undertones of it, coupled with a kind of meta-prostitution.

Aren't people who are into that usually women and guys that get no pussy?

>>24492956
if you're a boomer probably. Whenever i go to church every person there is like 60+ years old
the only place i went to recently that had young people was in my home town like a week ago. The religion is very much at the start of it's decline

>>24492974
change is normal, control what you can instead of crying about it
also capped so i can watch future shock later

>>24493019
im a christopagan
im not converting fully to shit
the norse gods have been there for me more than yaweh has. I worship yaweh out of respect.

>>24496187
>So why does every country allow these types of pop stars to become common, no matter what the values of those countries are?
Not necessarily literally EVERY country, although good post and interesting phenomenon here. But the ones who would be against it or explicitly limit it, would be ones we as Westerners (or in Westernized nations) would regard as authoritarian, maybe even authoritarian theocracies, like some Islamic Middle Eastern states, Afghanistan under the Taliban and the like. Then, interestingly, there’s even China, with a government initiative to “encourage masculinity among boys” through their control of various media, cultural outlets and education. Fuck NBC News but here’s the link just to show it’s something real:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-proposes-teaching-masculinity-boys-state-alarmed-changing-gender-roles-n1258939

I’m not even saying this is a good thing, I just think it’s an interesting counterpoint to some of your examples. It’s tough to find the right balance between authoritarianism vs. libertarianism on various matters. The Western (and other increasingly Westernized) liberal nations seem to hold that it’s a better trade-off to allow some people to slide into degeneracy, with all the freedoms offered, for everyone to have more rights. The logic going, just because some people can’t hold their liquor well doesn’t mean everyone else can’t have it. Whereas a group like the Taliban, based on religious beliefs, will decide there shouldn’t be any alcohol at all, they don’t want to deal with the attendant degeneracy that can go with it, and at best people can get some on the black market or consume it privately, but with fear of being found out.

Simple example but I think you can apply it to cases like yours. If corporations or governments decide they don’t want various types of pop stars who promote “degeneracy”, then where do they draw the line? (liberal reasoning goes).

Another possibility is that, in fact, there still are many common people on the ground who hate such figures, and the culture they promote. Socially conservative small town folk. But the people who dominate in the corporations, banks, media, feel they can get a lot of money off such spectacles (after all, crude appeals to things like sex, violence, the pleasure of alcohol/drugs DO sell, which can also be in a filtered form through media like music or films and TV shows). This would be the semi-conspiracy model, that of a conspiracy of the wealthy wanting more money, and hence pushing the media events and stars that will be sensationalistic and controversial for such money, regardless of the malign influences it could have on the culture. Like themes of violence, drug abuse, promiscuity, and misogyny in rap music, for instance. It would at minimum be a conspiracy of greed. If you were to go deeper, it could also be a conspiracy with other elements in it; wanting to degrade a culture deliberately.

>>24493067
>Fuckers won't rest until the entire country is a giant parking lot.
purely an issue in our country a big factor is that everyone is docile enough to let it happen. Too many people thinks crying on reddit or 4chan is enough to stop it.

>>24492923 (OP)
Accepting the sad state can be a an endogenous stimilus, in the words of Sloterdijk:
>'we meet with a group that one could summarize under the heading “heroic bastards.” It consists of the energetic, mobile, highly motivated figures who saw in the embarrassment of their problematic ancestry, be it real or imaginary, the chance of an endogenous stimulus to reinvent themselves on a higher plane.'

It is not enough to remain a critic, spreading negativity and feeding on the shallow jouissance of pointing out the world’s evils. That’s just lazy. The real second step is to seek an endogenous stimulus: some orb that illuminates your inner world and also brings light to the world outside, for your bros. Love. Kindness. Friendship. Even discussing these matters with strangers in a good spirit is an achievement, I say.

>>24492923 (OP)
Accepting the sad state can be an endogenous stimilus, in the words of Sloterdijk:
>'we meet with a group that one could summarize under the heading “heroic bastards.” It consists of the energetic, mobile, highly motivated figures who saw in the embarrassment of their problematic ancestry, be it real or imaginary, the chance of an endogenous stimulus to reinvent themselves on a higher plane.'

It is not enough to remain a critic, spreading negativity and feeding on the shallow jouissance of pointing out the world’s evils. That’s just lazy. The real second step is to seek an endogenous stimulus: some orb that illuminates your inner world and also brings light to the world outside, for the sake of your bros. Love. Kindness. Friendship. Even discussing these matters with strangers in a good spirit is an achievement, I say.

It's Alchemy: Nigredo, Albedo, and the Morgenröte.

>>24495902
Tried to talk with "women" of all ages.
>What happens when your country doesn't breed enough children to protect your ass
"Uhh... anon, we make more money to hire people! That should work *faint smile*!"
>Nigger, you work in customer service, you don't produce shit that makes money in this country. This shithole doesn't even fund basic science, the agriculture is in ruin, the up north barbarians will replace you lots in about 10 years if you don't bear enough children.
"Oh so... if we have hope and educate them, maybe they will be smart and carry our torch *hehe cute smug*?"
>No professors will be of any importance when all of their audience are brainless indian. You don't even fucking breed, how can you expect that the future generation's media IQ will match that of today - given that you lots are not even smart in the first place?
"Well, uh... anon you're being mean. I don't like your tone *hmp*."
Either that, or they turn into a girl boss and start frowning like actual retards.

Would he be pro Epstein, Thiel, Madonna, etc? I know he's a fucked up edgelord but would he be willing to stand for metaphysical evil just because it has a lot of power?

>>24496330
That quote is only applicable in a more 'normal' time. Try talking to a post-modern stranger about your concern of this society, they will accuse you of everything woes their normgroid brain.

Read Spengler

>>24495983
"Twilight of the Idols", my favourite

>>24496699
No. Read him. He'd be right about their immoral actions gaining them massive power, but wouldn't be for them. From what I've read, he'd criticize Epstein's enemies for not using more brutal and aggressive tactics to seize control and stop them. In a way, by doing that they're allowing Thiel and such to have the power and decide whatever they wanna do.

>>24496330
Complaining is okay if it's truth. Inaction, of course, isn't.
>Love. Kindness. Friendship.
Why would you name the exact things that are borderline impossible today, without luck? I have a girlfriend, family, friend and the struggles that come with those but I'll admit they're all at least 100x worse than a few centuries, or even decades ago.

>>24496300
>Too many people thinks crying on reddit or 4chan is enough to stop it.
Spreading awareness is always the first step. How would you as a lone individual "stop" that?

>>24496275
>wanting to degrade a culture deliberately
This is plainly what it is, but not in the conspiratorial way you’re thinking. They degrade our culture because they literally think it’s a good thing. They’re not doing it to maliciously subvert society. This IS our society and it’s what our elites value. Again from Nietzsche in the pic I posted >>24494707
>”Decadence has penetrated the value-instinct of our politicians and political parties to such an extent that they instinctively prefer anything which dissolves things, which hastens the end...”

It’s refreshing to find like-minded people in this thread who see the crisis that I see and that Nietzsche saw. Our modern mass culture is suicidal. It crosses all boundaries. It doesn’t matter whether you live in New York or Riyadh. All the politics people talk about every day offer no solutions, just band-aids. Our values are fundamentally fucked. We intentionally promote that which is rotten, decadent, exhausted, superfluous and reductive.

I see a major winding-down of modernity coming soon where the real effects of atheism will settle in. Fertility rates plummeting and the human population evening out, AI making people illiterate, a crisis of labor competence, younger generations becoming literally mentally retarded from the Internet, China’s industrialism becoming hegemonic, the increasing radicalization of conservatives knowing that they can’t stop what’s coming with their precious liberal democratic constitutionalism. The average person is not even discussing any of these things yet as one connected phenomenon. But it’s coming. Most cultures will not survive the century. We lost our will to survive.

>>24496862
>They’re not doing it to maliciously subvert society.
There's hours of footage proving otherwise.

I think you mean a lot of people in our society want to commit societal suicide out of nihilism and contempt.

>>24496862
Those are spooks, the only reasons are inflation, industrialization, and immigration.

>>24496865
No. I’m saying our entire value system is suicidal. This value system is best described as liberal individualist hedonism. This is not a problem caused by a few bad actors or rotten apples in the basket. We’ve been riding through a river and are now about to plummet from a waterfall. It’s all the same stream, the same source. Our understanding of civilization is inherently negative and we’ve only gotten this far because we were able to make so much money and give people so much comfort without too many revolutions. This era is now ending slowly.

>>24496886
>This is not a problem caused by a few bad actors or rotten apples in the basket
Then why do European politicians do the opposite of poll results? Let's say: Immigration.
I agree with you but it is not fair to downplay hostile involvement, particularly in the banking system.

>>24496781
>Why would you name the exact things that are borderline impossible today, without luck?
'Today' does not interest me. Because it all begins and ends within your heart. Call it autism if you will, but I do believe in that. Look, if you insist on raising the panic-wave: 'it's bad. No, it is even worse. It is over!' you are debuffing your self and also adding negative weight to the burden of those for whom you are supposedly meant to have love and care.

Sure, on the stage of a lion you gnaw and you claw. But you already past the point of whimpering. And do not forget that the true change is the third transformation, according to Nietzsche.
>>24496783
>Spreading awareness is always the first step. How would you as a lone individual "stop" that?
You make a transformation within your own being. Little things -- you start radiating calm content instead of shock and fear. Think about it programmatically: those who want you weak want you to be anxious and out of tune with what is true and foundamental, because when you like this you keep insisting on being in the negative feedback loop. And it dries up the pussy making feminine spirits avoid you like a disease. It's like automatic self-cursing.
>>24496781
>I have a girlfriend, family, friend and the struggles that come with those but I'll admit they're all at least 100x worse than a few centuries, or even decades ago.
Nice humble brag, lil archon bro. With that turn of a phrase (intentionally or not) you solidified the oppressive horizon within the view of those less fortunate. Sowing the seeds of jealousy and bad faith.

More vertically ascending quotes from our fren Sloterchungus:
>'That ordinary mortals are descended from profane parents is a rule of whose exceptions little is known. But where the wind-dispersed seeds of the Spirit spread, procreation beyond what is common becomes conceivable. How, then, if in your case, too, a vertical factor should have intervened? In the era “after Christ” no human being can be denied the right to lead his life as God’s bastard. A river Jordan can be found anywhere. In any arbitrary place a human being, emerging from the water, can hear a voice from above that says that this is his dear child, beloved by Him, the Supreme Being.'

>>24496699
>I know he's a fucked up edgelord
no he isn't, grow beyond memes

>>24497011
I'm not even sure if that's true. The average urban white person in the West seems to like immigration.

>>24497817
To see others suffer does one good, to make others suffer even more: this is a hard saying but an ancient, mighty, human, all-too-human principle [...] Without cruelty there is no festival.
— Genealogy of Morality

>>24493015
2 words nig: Waterfront Property

>>24492923 (OP)
Basically . . . yes

>>24493200
America will never collapse until it is no longer the greatest opportunity for profit. Perhaps let the Chinks grow their economy further, let them eclipse us, the day Israel allies with China, the day the West is free.

>>24498828
Empiricism says otherwise, your bias is watching too much media

bump this was a great thread....

The great mystery of our time is how our modern values are based on assumptions that human life is meaningless yet we believe in humanist morals regarding equality, rights, freedom, etc more than ever before.

Boomp

>>24502445
What assumptions that human life is meaningless? That’s something only an extremely small percentage of weirdos believe. Most people do value their lives and others lives. But let me guess, you think if you don’t believe le god gave you life and is your father you think life is meaningless?

>>24496699
He never had real principles outside of "I like everything that makes chuds like Wagner and the Wagnerites mad".

>>24503473
If humans are just animals on a space rock and all our emotions and feelings and values are chemical processes and we have no inherent significance then yes life is meaningless. This is all what we’re taught to believe by scientists until they suddenly tell us “and all of this is why you need to be a liberal utilitarian!”

>>24492923 (OP)
None of this matters you are just depressed as fuck. Brain dysfunction. Normies are happy af it's a YOU problem fag HAHAHAHA.