What's the best JFK novel? - /lit/ (#24493428) [Archived: 825 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/24/2025, 9:59:59 PM No.24493428
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>11/22/63 by Stephen King
>Libra by Don DeLillo
>Underworld USA by James Ellroy
Some other ones?
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:29:43 PM No.24493506
>>24493428 (OP)
Why does this woman look like a Neanderthal? I see this all the time among Whites as a Chinese, the women look far more masculine than the men.
I have a feeling they become antisemitic in part because the Jews have women with big boobs and a high fertility rate. They know they freaks
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:38:58 PM No.24493524
>>24493506
go eat another bat donkey eyeball soup
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:40:54 PM No.24493529
>>24493524
That's not an answer. Your the ones who would rather have sex with our trannies in Thailand then your own women
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:41:54 PM No.24493531
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>Why does this woman look like a Neanderthal? I see this all the time among Whites as a Chinese, the women look far more masculine than the men.
I have a feeling they become antisemitic in part because the Jews have women with big boobs and a high fertility rate. They know they freaksWhy does this woman look like a Neanderthal? I see this all the time among Whites as a Chinese, the women look far more masculine than the men.
I have a feeling they become antisemitic in part because the Jews have women with big boobs and a high fertility rate. They know they freaks
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:42:12 PM No.24493532
>>24493529
i think she's part native american or something
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:42:34 PM No.24493534
>>24493428 (OP)
>“There was once a great President that the American people loved. He opposed Israel’s nuclear program. And then he was assassinated,” Greene posted on X as she defended her dissatisfaction with President Donald Trump’s weekend strike on Iran. Greene’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment asking for clarity on the remarks.
She didn't even say Israel assassinated them. She just implied in a passive aggressive manner
I'm guessing there's no proof the Jews killed the Irishman
>24493531
>Posts a comic book in response to a real photo
Okay
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:43:31 PM No.24493538
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>Why does this woman look like a Neanderthal? I see this all the time among Whites as a Chinese, the women look far more masculine than the men. I have a feeling they become antisemitic in part because the Jews have women with big boobs and a high fertility rate. They know they freaksWhy does this woman look like a Neanderthal? I see this all the time among Whites as a Chinese, the women look far more masculine than the men. I have a feeling they become antisemitic in part because the Jews have women with big boobs and a high fertility rate. They know they freaks
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:44:45 PM No.24493541
chin-kee
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>Why does this woman look like a Neanderthal? I see this all the time among Whites as a Chinese, the women look far more masculine than the men. I have a feeling they become antisemitic in part because the Jews have women with big boobs and a high fertility rate. They know they freaks
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:45:21 PM No.24493544
>>24493532
I enjoy hanging out with Native girls and they have way more delicate faces than this
I've only ever seen White women this deformed.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:46:57 PM No.24493547
>>24493506
in the shane gillis show they have a funny line about how girls that do crossfit look like teenage mutant ninja turtles. i sort of think MTF is a crossfit lady
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:47:39 PM No.24493548
Chinese
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>Posts a comic book in response to a real photo
>Okay
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:51:17 PM No.24493558
>>24493506
She's an Native American mutt. Somewhere back in her bloodline someone racemixed with a Cherokhee.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:52:06 PM No.24493560
>>24493548
Still not a real person and both better looking than OP pic
>>24493558
That's a little odd. She has blue eyes and presumably real blond hair. Also Cherokhee women I know look better than her
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:53:54 PM No.24493566
>I enjoy hanging out with Native girls and they have way more delicate faces than this
>I've only ever seen White women this deformed.
>Still not a real person and both better looking than OP pic
>>>/gif/29029969
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:54:54 PM No.24493569
>There's real butthurt White women on this Mongolian board
I didn't mean to hurt your feelings sweetie.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:55:14 PM No.24493570
>>24493506
>jew larping as chinese tries to derail the main topic
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:56:37 PM No.24493575
>>24493506
Honestly, she doesn’t look very flattering, but I still find her based for saying things like in the OP. I don’t hate Jews so please don’t be too quick to judge me as a chud, I just believe the evidence points to lots of corrupt Zionist conspiracies going on, particularly throughout modern American history. It’s crazy that you can link the Mossad to JFK’s assassination and to 9/11 alike, seminal events in modern American history.

There’s actually a somewhat paradoxical way in which genuine virulent antisemitism seems to encourage some of this Zionist corruption, I think. I’m sure there are Jews with the mindset of:
>Fucking goyim (or fucking Gentiles), always fucking around with us and persecuting and attacking us Jews, historically and till today! Fuck ‘em! We gotta look out for ourselves, and if that takes deception, fraud, trickery, violence, assassinations, terror attacks and false flags, then we’ll do it! We’ll show YOU who runs the banks and media, fuckers!
Offensive, but true! (In some cases.)
The former motto of the Mossad is after all roughly, “By way of deception, thou shalt wage war” (Proverbs 24:6).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_Way_of_Deception
https://youtu.be/FLUUUZWjfGk?si=OjAuOYKyQyys9d6u

Also, this goes deeper than just racial politics/racial hatred and prejudice or whatever conception one has of Jews ruling the world, or trying to. The Western intelligence community (of powerful major NATO and EU countries, the Five Eyes Alliance, and Israel as a sort of extension of the West in the Middle East) is very tight-knit, and they have a clever way of working with each other or outsourcing some projects to other intelligence agencies they’re allied with, for plausible deniability and to further cover up their tracks, while also extending their reach.
Here’s one example, the CIA technically isn’t supposed to run domestic projects. They’re not supposed to be fucking around too much on American soil with American citizens. What’s the work-around? Get MI6 or Mossad to help. With the ADL, and general politically-correct dislike of antisemitism, getting Mossad to help out with some plots is also a stroke of (evil) genius, because they can make people who bring it up sound like antisemitic loons. That’s not even bringing up MI6 or whoever the fuck.
This is also what the Five Eyes alliance does, as well as FISA and abuse of FISA - get other nations to do the intelligence-gathering, including on the U.S. and U.S. citizens, then just ask those agencies for the information, instead of the CIA surveilling Americans themselves.

FISA = The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:56:45 PM No.24493576
>>24493570
Chinese but I love Jews. Maybe I should convert.
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:58:39 PM No.24493582
>Hero fellow Chinks!
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 10:58:41 PM No.24493584
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>Chinese but I love Jews. Maybe I should convert.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:00:23 PM No.24493589
>>24493575
>corrupt Zionist conspiracies going on
As a politician she probably has access to documents I can't even dream of accessing at my University. Yet she still does not straight-up says Israel did it she says:
>“There was once a great President that the American people loved. He opposed Israel’s nuclear program. And then he was assassinated,” Greene posted on X as she defended her dissatisfaction with President Donald Trump’s weekend strike on Iran. Greene’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment asking for clarity on the remarks.
It's pathetic, like her previous comments about space lasers. It means she has nothing.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:01:25 PM No.24493594
>>24493582
>>24493584
Are you a White woman? Post boobs and we will compare them to a Jewish woman's and to MTG's
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:04:50 PM No.24493600
>>24493575
>>24493589
My guess is she's just trying to stir up shit against Israel because she's afraid of war with Iran, but it sounds better to blame the country for doing something in the past than to say "I don't want to protect a much smaller ally nation because I am afraid"
She's also conveniently leading away from earlier evidence that the FBI did it because Kennedy did not approve of a false flag attack on Americans which makes the American government look better.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:04:54 PM No.24493601
i'm pretty sure it was the jews
there is a chapter in the passenger about who cormac thinks killed him
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:06:42 PM No.24493605
>>24493584
That kid isn't even Chinese. He also isn't even that ugly, he is making a fun face while Marjorie in the picture is posing for the cam
Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:13:42 PM No.24493617
>>24493575
Previous claim was that Kennedy died because of the FBI and how he did not agree with war in Cuba. This served as a nice excuse to get rid of the head of the FBI.
Now that there's a war between the Persians and the Jews it is suddenly the Jews. It's so convenient how who kills him changes depending on who needs to be cut off
I bet if Kamala won it would be white guys. You need more immunisation against gov. shenanigans because you are a White woman with no experience with CCP
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:14:55 PM No.24493620
>>24493617
>implying this theory just started yesterday or something
lmao nice try at gaslighting, rabbi.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:18:03 PM No.24493628
>>24493620
But when did it start being pushed? If the bitch didn't first claim it was FBI because of Cuba and if she said the Jews straight up instead of tiptoeing around the topic, I would suspect she was less full of shit. But as it is physiognomy never leads me astray
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:19:24 PM No.24493633
>>24493589
>As a politician she probably has access to documents I can't even dream of accessing at my University.
Maybe sometimes, when intelligence agents have to brief Congressmembers on various things privately, but we’d probably be surprised how corrupt and covered up some of this shit can still be. It’s almost like a breakaway state-within-a-state, when you’re speaking of the intelligence community.
She is also NOT part of the “Gang of Eight.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight_(intelligence)
>The Gang of Eight is a colloquial term for a set of eight leaders within the United States Congress who are briefed on classified intelligence matters by the executive branch. Specifically, the Gang of Eight includes the leaders of each of the two parties from both the Senate and House of Representatives, and the chairs and ranking minority members of both the Senate Committee and House Committee for intelligence as set forth by 50 U.S.C. § 3093(c)(2).
So even in Congress, there’s this hierarchy where only a select few are privileged to even greater information, and even then I doubt they get the full story on everything or the ultra-classified stuff. So other Congressmen are going to get less of this info. Sometimes they might get something in SCIFs (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) when there’s Congressional hearings going on or something important & relevant members of Congress need to know of, military action is a big one.

But again, remember, there’s hierarchies even in this shit, there’s corruption and coverups. I highly doubt they’re here redpilling members of Congress on the JFK assassination and showing them all the classified documents.

You’re painting her very negatively for saying this at all, and I think that’s just snobbishness and prejudice. I for one give her some degree of respect for being one of the few to bring up conspiracy theories like these seriously, even while I’m not a massive GOP fan.

>>24493600
>She's also conveniently leading away from earlier evidence that the FBI did it because Kennedy did not approve of a false flag attack on Americans which makes the American government look better.
Lots of entities had lots of reasons to dislike JFK. It even could’ve been a big squad of corrupt fuckers scratching each others backs here, agreed that JFK had to go. The Mafia, CIA, FBI, and Mossad. Simultaneously or in some combination’s. Again see my above statement on snobbishness and prejudice. I don’t think it’s “just being afraid of Iran.” I think it’s good and even great to ask questions about Israel, Israeli intelligence, and whatever corruption they might be involved in, along with elements of American intelligence and law-enforcement partnered with them.
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Anonymous
6/24/2025, 11:22:38 PM No.24493645
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>>24493628
> But when did it start being pushed?
Decades ago, see Michael Collins Piper and his research. Pic related was published 1993. The connection to Mossad and Israeli nukes also floated around in some other alternative journalism (more conspiracy-theory oriented, more underground stuff) for quite some time before that. Just because you’re only hearing about it recently doesn’t mean everyone else only heard about it recently. Hell, it’s even in David Icke’s books, also from decades ago. As a funny aside.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 12:39:58 AM No.24493834
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>>24493628
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 12:41:00 AM No.24493836
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>>24493834
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:06:03 AM No.24494137
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>>24493575
>>24493633
>>24493645
All the circumstantial evidence via inductive reasoning points towards an Operation Mongoose cell of CIA trained paramilitary mafioso Cuban exiles killed Kennedy. The Cuban, Italian and Jewish mobs heavily overlapped in crime operations and were all tied together through Operation Mongoose. The House Select Committee on Assassinations also formerly ruled the Kennedy died from a conspiracy, but did not finger any groups or individuals specifically.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:25:24 AM No.24494170
>>24493428 (OP)
He was a colossal retard junkie who nearly ended the world, whether it was Israel or the Joint Chiefs or Tony Soprano, he had to GO.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:39:53 AM No.24494187
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>>24494137
Also, a bit of a personal anecdote here. During my graduate program, I did a preliminary research paper on the relationship of organized crime and state formation, and told a fellow graduate student and our professor for another course about the details of the paper, specifically that I was looking at how cooperative or antagonistic relationships between the Batista regime, Castro Regime, and US government with organized crime/mafia in Cuba, during the revolution, and after their expulsion to the USA impact state capacity operations. Now, our professor was a former alphabet agency intelligence analyst, with a few decades of experience, and numerous major scholarly publications on extremely niche and arcane areas of international covert and intelligence operations.

When I told our professor of this research project, in an unprovoked and unsolicited manner they went for the jugular by more or less saying that the mafia Cuba-USA web of relations directly leads up to and intertwines with the assassination of Kennedy. By this time I had already come to the realization how the organized crime theory is the best explanation for the assassination other than Oswald, and was almost shocked that our professor brought this theory up without even so much hinting at in discussion the manner. I pointed this out to my classmate and they were laughing at it.

I followed up with the professor later, and they elaborated on their negative theory that whatever Mafioso or Operation Mongoose cell might have been turned by Castro and sent after Kennedy after everything that had happened. His logic is that both sides had strong mutual reasons to hate Kennedy, as for Castro this being for trying to overthrow and kill Castro multiple times, and for the mob having seen Kennedy as soft on communism by not supporting the Bay of Pigs invasion more or not invading during the missile crisis, much less having shut down the Op Mongoose assassination cells and going after the mob (after the mob helped get Kennedy elected in Chicago).

My positive theory is the exact flipside of my professors, specifically that Kennedy built up the worse enemies throughout his administrative term by firing the Dulles and Helms, having not invaded during the Missile Crisis, and spinning on the Cold War afterwards wanting to pursue detente with Cuba and the USSR, as shown within his American University speech, which was followed up by the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. Kennedy also eyed Vietnam withdrawal after the next election, but that spung out of control in the fall of 1963 for a few different reasons some of which does fall on Kennedys lap, and he was dead before any more progress could be made in completely pivoting US foreign policy. Between trained Mafia death squads and alphabet agency and DOD insiders who hated Kennedy, he had the enemies with the means and motives to pull off an assassination.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:44:49 AM No.24494193
>>24494187
And, there was potentially an earlier November 1953 Chicago plot to kill Kennedy (and remember, Chicago was a mob stronghold that was central to the election of Kennedy in 1960). See Part 1-D (pp. 229–236) of the HSCA for the Chicago warnings.

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/toc
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:46:05 AM No.24494195
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>>24493506
She's old. Her daughter is cute in a goofy sort of way though.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:49:42 AM No.24494200
>>24493529
>smelly expats have sex with trannies therefore everyone else does too!
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:50:48 AM No.24494204
>>24494195
I think her daughter is decent looking
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:12:32 AM No.24494233
>>24493529
Its because white women dont want them, not because they dont want white women
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:14:52 AM No.24494238
>>24493529
>our trannies in Thailand
Didn't you say you were Chinese? Now you're Thai? Pick a lane, Schlomo.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:30:06 AM No.24494258
>>24494238
>Implying there's a difference between all the different chinks
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:35:37 AM No.24494270
>>24494258
Yea, no difference, all non-jews are le goyim for you.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:04:02 AM No.24494330
>/lit/ - literature
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:13:36 AM No.24494352
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:27:40 AM No.24494380
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>>24493506
>neanderthal
>(((Greene)))
captcha gmgay
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:41:17 AM No.24494415
As someone who loves US history and reading about US political figures and presidents, I've never understood the JFK hype. Yeah, nuclear de-escalation was pretty good but I'm not convinced it was a "only he could have done this" situation. FDR and, hell, even LBJ are much more impressive to me. Some people even say shit like the day JFK was killed was the day the American system was never the same, like he was the lone obstacle standing in front of the evil men who would come to follow. Sorry, I don't see it.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:34:10 AM No.24494548
>>24494415
>LBJ
twinkle toed glownigger helped kill JFK
>JFK
Irish mafia puppet
It's corrupt all the way down
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:38:05 AM No.24494556
>>24494548
>>>LBJ
>twinkle toed glownigger helped kill JFK
Probably but you gotta give credit for the Great Society stuff, civil rights, education, etc. A+ President on domestic issues.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:28:38 AM No.24494654
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>>24493506
there is literally a disorder named after your people
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:57:51 AM No.24494822
>>24493506
If it makes you feel better, anon, I think chinese girls are exaggeratedly hot.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:04:04 AM No.24494828
>>24493506
>see this all the time among Whites as a Chinese, the women look far more masculine than the men
Chink talking about masculinity, lol.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:52:07 AM No.24494873
>>24494654
>233333
stop being a self-hating chang
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:23:10 AM No.24494913
>>24493428 (OP)
>jew confesses to something they've done knowing full well they'll never be held accountable for it case no. 1204576
The fatigue is real.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 1:25:26 PM No.24495052
>>24493506
It's called sexual dimorphism.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 1:31:47 PM No.24495063
>>24493428 (OP)
>11/22/63 by Stephen King
was a fan of the miniseries adaptation as well.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 1:42:28 PM No.24495079
>>24493560
>Also Cherokhee women I know
lmao
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:09:41 PM No.24495211
>>24494187
Fascinating.
I find the parallels between human power structures and primate social behavior intriguing, especially when you consider how organized crime syndicates mirror many of the same hierarchies and alliances we see in chimpanzee troops. I’m planning to dive into Frans de Waal’s Chimpanzee Politics to explore these connections more deeply.

In my view, the modern state can be seen as a highly formalized "mafia" that trades overt violence for bureaucratic order, yet beneath the surface, similar dynamics of loyalty, coercion, and resource control persist. I’m skeptical that abolishing the state would solve anything; in fact, I suspect that many criminal networks (e.g., human trafficking) already operate quite comfortably within its institutions.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:16:31 PM No.24495221
>>24494187
Could you recommend any books that explore the psychology of organized crime, mafia networks, and criminal syndicates?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:14:23 PM No.24495451
>>24493617
>FBI
CIA*

Allen Dulles occupied every level of the assassination, including the Warren Commission which he thwarted. The Old Man took care of the Irishman.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:27:01 PM No.24495483
>>24494415
I agree, I think a lot of the hype is either boomer nostalgia (the majority of JFK's glorification up until recently) or anti-Israel stuff. The boomer nostalgia is obviously an irrational love for a charismatic president who was killed prematurely, but there's more of an argument for the anti-Israel case. Before LBJ, America didn't have the same level of unconditional commitment to Israel, such as Eisenhower supporting Egypt instead of Israel (and the UK and France, might I add) in the Suez Crisis as well as JFK's concern over the power of the American Zionist Council. After JFK, though, LBJ and subsequent presidents committed wholeheartedly to a pro-Israel foreign policy, particularly by backing Israel in the indefensible Six Day War (because apparently, Israel is entitled to respond to a blockade by invading multiple sovereign states and taking land from all of them, including the ongoing occupation of the West Bank + East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the Golan Heights, all while claiming "self defense"). I'm not an antisemite, I think Israel has a right to exist in its 1948 borders and I think all the antisemitic conspiracy theories are pure ressentiment, but it's worth noting that it was a pretty radical shift in foreign policy priorities. Still, there's simpler explanations beyond just "da joos", such as that Israel was a useful bulwark against Soviet-aligned Arab socialism and that Israel continued to be useful against Ba'athism and Khomeinism. That doesn't mean we ought to continue this unconditional alliance, but from the perspective of the neocons and warhawk neoliberals that dominate our government, it makes perfect sense to support a hyper-militarized state that shares the same enemies.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:04:56 PM No.24495716
>>24495211
Yes, the parallels between man and primate is unavoidable and adds a lot to stepping out of our day to day perspectives on politics to see how society is actually behaving. Humans are capable of more dynamic social systems which are more or less equitable, but at the end of the day we are driven by the same evolutionary psychological drives that we throw ideology and our own individual and group conceptions on top off.

As for your second point, please see these chapters/articles. Tilly directly capitalizes on this that the center of states is resource extraction/extortion rackets over their populaces, which from there it becomes a dynamic of restraining and institutionalizing the state towards less despotic patterns of behavior while they either build up or decay in state and war making capacities. That even liberal-state institutions and economies arose upon slavery and the opium trade serves well to demonstrate this. Koivu further builds upon Tilly in a scholarly manner, both of whom I heavily based my research proposal upon.

Tilly: https://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/19sd/refs/Tilly1985.pdf

Koivu: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315967843_Illicit_Partners_and_Political_Development_How_Organized_Crime_Made_the_State

>>24495221
I do not know of any as this is specifically out of my forte/area of knowledge. I'm sure theres good stuff if you go dig a little bit.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:18:47 PM No.24495754
>>24495716
>>24495483
>>24494187
Excellent stuff, thanks.

> Now, our professor was a former alphabet agency intelligence analyst, with a few decades of experience, and numerous major scholarly publications on extremely niche and arcane areas of international covert and intelligence operations.
me in my previous life
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 1:38:57 AM No.24496469
>>24494137
>>24494187
>>24495211
>>24495716
Really interesting stuff anon, thanks for making intelligent high-quality posts.
There’s a real interesting synchronicity here, also, because just recently, before I ever saw your first posts about the ties between organized crime + states/systems of governance, I was exactly thinking to myself that studying or learning something about organized crime is a massive redpill into how governments, law enforcement, and intelligence agencies can work. Along with, sometimes, fraternal orders or secret societies. It’s not just a parallel in how they can function and what they do, but also quite literal historical intersections, from the past continuing until today, in which elements of governments, intelligence agencies, and law enforcement BECOME the organized crime, or cut deals with them, use them as pawns for various ends, infiltrate them and choose which elements they do and don’t want to prosecute/go after, etc.
You have the Mafia infamously having their ties to the Kennedys, helping JFK win in Chicago for instance, as a well-known piece of American conspiracy lore now. You have the U.S. government working with the Italian Mafia during WWII, cutting deals to get them to help out with Naval intelligence and also with the Allied invasion of Sicily for instance. And it only continued after, with CIA using Mafiosos for various things, to the point that even in the mainstream consciousness they’re tied with the Kennedys and also as a possible figure in the assassination.

It keeps going, it’s not just the U.S. government, you can bring up the Chinese Triads and opium trade (which opium trade into China ultimately though was more like UK/Western backed organized crime), the Yakuza of Japan, historical groups like the Carbonari (not to be confused with the excellent
spaghetti dish) and the Propaganda Due (P2) Masons also of Italy, cartels of Latin America and their intertwining with governments and law enforcement there and sometimes allegedly CIA, and so on.

Government is often just the gang that won in the best way, got to the very top, and typically tries to make its violence, corruption, and brutality more covert so as not to get so much backlash or uprising from citizens; and, admittedly, they can also do some good things for the people sometimes. Which organized crime can also do for their own communities, even while they’re swindling and scheming and murdering on the side. It also seems to be the case that, if modern high-tech governments and superpowers have significant organized crime and gangs in or across their borders, significantly impacting them or their citizens in some way, it’s likely being allowed to happen to some extent, for whatever reason. Deals are cut, bribed, corrupt, or compromised government officials and law enforcement agents are being paid or somehow encouraged to look the other way.
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6/26/2025, 1:49:31 AM No.24496491
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>>24496469
The JFK assassination strikes so deep in the American public consciousness because it suggests all this, in however inchoate or confused a way. The average person might not necessarily know specifically who or what or how they did it, whether Castro and organized Cuban crime, Mafia, CIA, specific entities from Dulles to LBJ to George H.W. Bush having a hand in it, Mossad or the Jewish Mafia, etc. But most have a sense that something’s up. The pomp and circumstance, the gravitas of the U.S. federal government, the oaths sworn to “protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic”, the sense that, fundamentally, these are people at least playing by the laws (least of all because in some way they ARE the law, or help make it), by some sense of morality, decency, order, and sanity (even if in ways one disagrees with at times) — that sense exploded in the American public consciousness on 11/22/63 the same way JFK’s head did on live national television.

This I think is why there’s such a mythos around JFK. He might not even have been anything so special himself, he could’ve been another corrupt bastard in his own ways, the Kennedys dirty and up to their neck in their dealings with the Mafia, but somehow him being assassinated openly, and it plausibly being a conspiracy covered up by elements of intelligence and the federal government, feels even dirtier and darker than that.

>Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who watches the watchmen?)
Juvenal

It showed how the pretense of law and order was just that, a pretense. Where they want to turn their head and let some crime happen, or even fund, support, help carry it out themselves then cover it up, including with loads of disinfo, distractions, and a corrupt Warren Commission report, they can do just that. And what will the average civilian do? Precisely nothing.

Captcha: 4SHART
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:03:32 PM No.24497388
bump
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:04:56 PM No.24497391
>>24496491
>But most have a sense that something’s up.
Was this really the case before Oliver Stone's JFK?
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:51:42 PM No.24498194
bhump
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:59:50 PM No.24498856
bump
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:43:24 AM No.24499922
>>24496469
great post
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:19:18 AM No.24499953
>>24493428 (OP)
Just gonna drop a comment on 11/22/63, only King book I've ever read, remember it being a decent ride but the ending was an enormously clunky sci fi bullshit about how the world was destroyed because JFK wasn't killed, and then somehow Hillary Clinton was trying to fix everything. Not even talking about the political shit, the gimmick was such a whiplash it completely soured the experience at the end. And then I read that King's endings are usually terrible and 11/22/63 is actually considered one of the better ones.

WTF. I recommend just watching the miniseries instead, never read another King book.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:21:59 AM No.24499956
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>>24499953
Oh yeah, this is a book you should look at, if you're interested in the assassination. Not fiction.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:23:04 AM No.24499958
I wonder what a world where RFK wasn't assassinated and then became President would have looked like.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 11:01:04 AM No.24500004
>>24493506
>Jews have women with big boobs
not more than whites