Is there anything more cucked than what I just read?
https://www.njlifehacks.com/nobody-does-wrong-on-purpose-so-how-to-be-tolerant-kind/

>>24494162 (OP)
Murder a stoic’s family in front of them and see if they’re still stoics

>>24494162 (OP)
Using stoic philosophy to justify mercy ethics isn't something "stoics" do, its (You) being baited by someone who drinks lattes.

I'm convinced nobody understands stoicism, it's a relic of the past.

this is just completely retarded. people knowingly do bad things all the time

>>24494180
You're right anon. Your lowercased thoughts are much less retarded than Plato's.

>>24494180
Name three.

>>24494162 (OP)
Tell a stoic he dropped his gay card and see if he's still a stoic.

>>24494162 (OP)
Epictetus proves that even centuries ago, there were still brain dead faggot cattle just like today

>>24494180
The point isn't that evildoers don't know that their actions are bad. The idea is that that when they do evil they (wrongly) are doing it in pursuit of some apparent good. For example, a thief steals because he values the good of having money more strongly than the good of not taking other people's stuff. It may seem like a banal point, but it also means that if everyone perfectly saw the truth of things, no one would ever purposely do evil.

>>24494609
You're pretty fucking naive if you don't think for a second that there are some cowardly motherfuckers that will do evil if they think they can get away with it.

>>24494617
They just don't think it's evil. There's a lot of people out there that haven't devoted any effort whatsoever to considering the rightness of their actions.

>>24494499
anon is right and that says more about plato

>>24494566
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>>24494617
To get the point you must see things with the stoic metaphysical lens. There is a cosmos, one unity that encompass all and that has a role for everything and everyone. Stoics are the one trying to play their role the best they can without wavering because they attach importance to the only thing they have impact on and it is their moral virtue.

i dont think the terminology is defined correctly - someone that does evil may be aware that it is evil
the philosophers are arguing if that if the person was aligned with reason, or the highest good, that they would not pursue evil acts for whatever reason (which the philosophers believe both the reason and whatever perceived reward is faulty and the person is misled)

>>24494164
Imagine seething this hard about a 2000 year old philosophy

>>24494162 (OP)
How is that cucked, thats necessarily true. What're you like retarded or something

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1937232778795294841
This thread but replace slop with philoslophy.

>>24494617
They think doing the evil is good when they do it though. That's why they're doing it.
>inb4 no some people relish in evil
Right. They know its bad in a moral sense and think it's good *for them*

Even someone who cuts themselves or something, they're trying to hurt themselves but they think it's good

>>24495016
It's true with context. These are people obedient to the laws of men, not nature, ITT.

>>24494164
My family member was murdered.
I didn't do anything because thought, what was the point if the person was dead already.
Police still persecuted the case because some other family member pressed charges, but 4 out of 5 got away with it.

>>24494609
The point is still fucking retarded.

>>24494960
>>24495004
>>24495020
Exactly.

>>24494617
When they do "evil," they value their own good over the good over the good of others or any other external idea of good or justice. You're making a fallacious assumption that everyone has an identical conception of what "good" is. You're also equivocating when you talk about people knowingly doing evil. Someone can "know" something is evil in various ways. For instance, someone can know that murder is illegal in the eyes of the law, or that it is considered evil by others, but not really regard it as something objectively evil in his own eyes. Or someone could acknowledge murder as being something evil, but value the (apparent) good of satisfying his anger over the evil of murder, either because "that guy had it coming" and feel justified, or alternatively because he has an overwhelming lust for vengeance that overpowers his moral sense.

>>24495401
No one is ever truly retarded on purpose.

>>24495452
Okay I'm going to kill your family and then weasel my way out of it because I followed your bullshit logic

>>24495523
I think that proves his point. You believe he's a retard and it's in the spirit of good to prove him wrong. You're letting it be personal like a child instead of attacking the argument.

>>24495915
>muh proving my point
This is what people lacking in debate skills say when someone pokes holes in their supposed "argument"

>>24495523
"Weasel your way out of" what? The punishment for your crimes? Epicetus isn't denying the existence of culpability or that evildoers should be punished. He's merely saying that if you saw things with perfect clarity, you would never willingly choose evil over good.

>>24495523
You will go to jail and get aids from Tyrone while I neetbux for the rest of my life.

>>24494164
The Stoic is in a position to stop you murdering his family. Therefore he will act like a Stoic, and murder you instead. He'll be pretty stoical about that.

>>24494169
It's about not worrying over things you can't control. Concentrate on what you can do, and let fate decide the rest.

>>24494162 (OP)
>Socrates, perhaps the wisest person ever to live
Alienating his compatriots to the point where they murdered him turned out to be pretty unwise.