Weren't these sorts of guys all fucking morons, in the end?

I'm talking about these loud /lit/ crusaders against antisemitism in the 19th and 20th Century. Guys like Leon Bloy, like James Joyce, like Emile Zola, all those sorts of figures. They spent a lot of time being opposed to the negative treatment of Jews.

How has the passage of history not proven them to be dupes, and fools? Because the passage of history has vindicated antisemitism. Since the end of World War 2, the Jews have basically spent 80 years justifying every single antisemitic stereotype. The Jews have spent the entire postwar era proving that yes, they actually do hate Europe, they actually do hate Christians, they actually do hate tradition and stability. All these writers like Joyce or Bloy have proven to be patsies and suckers, taken in by an act that never survived contact with reality.

In the end, the /lit/ antisemites like Ezra Pound were vindicated by history, and proven totally correct.

>>24494273 (OP)
this had a lot to do with them never really spending much time interacting with actual Jews. (educated, civilized, and westernized Jews like Mahler, Kubrick, and Harold Bloom don't count. you know who I'm talking about.)

>>24494273 (OP)
At least we’re finally seeing a revival in mainstream anti semitism. The shit zoomers on instagram post on their personal accounts makes wignats from 2018 look tame

>>24494273 (OP)
Back in those days Jews were legitimately oppressed in places like Russia.
Giving Jews a nation state was the real mistake.

>>24494303
zoomers are just retarded edgelords though. I doubt they genuinely believe in or understand the logical conclusions of anything they say.

Why wouldn't Zola's 'J'accuse!' remain eternal? The rest of this is just /pol/ack schizo-babble. You need to actually cite the claims you're trying to prove. If it wasn't true in the early 20th century, when everyone was reading the Protocols and made up their mind on the Jewish question, then it won't be true now.
If anything, Kahane was the one who was truly vindicated.

>Be Jew living in Germany
>WW1 breaks out
>Sign up to fight with all your bros
>"This is finally our chance to prove that we're Germans like everybody else!"
>War is extremely bloody
>Morale is collapsing
>The German government starts blaming Jews for a lack of patriotism
>Government conducts the Judenzählung
>Proves the opposite - Jews are actually extremely patriotic and massively overrepresented in the war effort, including front line positions
>ohfuck.png
>Suppress the results
>Continue to claim it's the Jews' fault anyway

To think that someone like Simone Weil hated Europe, with her fascination in Christianity and European philosophy, is just an absolute absurdity. For most European Jews, Europe was the only home they ever knew. Their native languages were European, even Yiddish being an offshoot of German. They engaged in European philosophy and literature. Some of the most celebrated writers, like Kafka and Primo Levi, were Jewish. Do we even need to discuss the scientists?

The antisemite objection to Jews comes down to Jews refusing to support ethno-nationalist movements that wanted to discriminate against them from the outset. In a sense, the only way a Jew is acceptable to the antisemite is if they practice absolute political self-annihilation and completely bow down to any and all abuse.

>>24494355
yeah, that's the problem with Nazi anit-semitism. It blindly discriminates against anyone with Jewish ancestry.

>>24494365
*anti*

>>24494355
>bolshevist jews weren‘t essential pillars of supply strikes
>zionist jews didn‘t jump ship after the balfour declaration
>social democrat jews weren‘t agitating for pacifism
>because uhh well some jews were still in parochial channels outside of the new playbook

Ok retard

>>24494371
shut up, retard. It is morally wrong to persecute people of Jewish descent who genuinely contribute to western culture.

>>24494371
>>bolshevist jews weren‘t essential pillars of supply strikes
Shocking. Why would Russian Jews by hostile to the Tsarist government that spammed pogroms against their communities for decades? The Pale of Settlement? Never heard of her!
>>zionist jews didn‘t jump ship after the balfour declaration
But they didn't? The Balfour declaration happened in 1917. The 3rd and 4th Aliyahs were small scale and largely from Eastern Europe where Jews were discriminated against. The 5th Aliyah was the big one and happened because Germany decided to backstab the Jews that fought for her during WW1. Even still the vast majority of Jews stayed in Europe, you know, because that was their fucking home.
>>social democrat jews weren‘t agitating for pacifism
Meanwhile Jews on the ground disproportionately contributed to the war effort. Better ignore all the men that bled and died for my country to focus on the handful that simply wanted an end to the war, as though that's an awful immoral thing. Wilhelm Frankl? Never heard of him!
>>because uhh well some jews were still in parochial channels outside of the new playbook
"some". We're talking 100,000 men who served in the German army with 18,000 receiving an Iron Cross. They gave more to Europe than your retarded, revisionist ass ever will.

>>24494355
>>24494419
You type like a redditor

>>24494426
racism should be reserved for an educated and ethical elite and you clearly ain't part of it.

>>24494432
I’m not even the person you’re arguing against retard. You still write like a redditor

>Because the passage of history has vindicated antisemitism.
>the passage of history

>>24494437
shut up you absolute nigger.

>>24494448
This poster had better be like 18, max, or this is totally pathetic.

>>24494426
I don't really care. I'd rather sound like a redditor that appreciates Western culture than like a 4channer who doesn't. Also the racist responding to you isn't me.

>>24494474
I prefer the term "educated racist" thank you very much and I stood up for you earlier.

>>24494481
Apologies, educated racist. I didn't meant to be offensive but descriptive. And I appreciate what you did even if I object to your beliefs.

>>24494481
>i’m not like other racists i read wikipedia
I unironically prefer boomers who think Mexicans are Muslims or whatever bs to you lot. Hyper-parochialism > pseudo-cosmopolitan sophisticated racism

>>24494487
>I prefer listening to shit that is objectively wrong.

sounds about right.

>>24494494
If it has soul yes
I prefer diversity to homogenized “truth”

>>24494446
Yeah, it has.

The passage of history BTFO communism, too.

It's hilarious to object to antisemitism in the year 2025. It's hilarious to be a communist in the year 2025, too. This is why the entirety of the modern Left is absurd. Just a bunch of Jew-loving commie LARPers who don't realize everything they hold dear was buried in the grave with the turn of the century.

>>24494355
>>24494371
>>24494378
>>24494419
Europeans have ALWAYS been evil

Jews are based tribal supremacists. people hate them becsuse they are leftie troons and think it's unfair that they are racist.

>>24494273 (OP)
Let's see what Bloy has to say, who you have obviously never read.
>« Le Moyen Âge, disais-je en parlant des Juifs, avait le bon sens de les cantonner dans des chenils réservés et de leur imposer une défroque spéciale qui permît à chacun de les éviter. Quand on avait absolument affaire à ces puants, on s’en cachait comme d’une infamie et on se purifiait ensuite comme on pouvait. La honte et le péril de leur contact était l’antidote chrétien de leur pestilence, puisque Dieu tenait à la perpétuité d’une telle vermine.
>« Aujourd’hui que le christianisme a l’air de râler sous le talon de ses propres croyants et que l’Église a perdu tout crédit, on s’indigne bêtement de voir en eux les maîtres du monde, et les contradicteurs enragés de la Tradition apostolique sont les premiers à s’en étonner. On prohibe le désinfectant et on se plaint d’avoir des punaises. Telle est l’idiotie caractéristique des temps modernes. »[3]
>Je ne vois pas le moyen de changer un quart de ligne à cette page gracieuse. Plus que jamais il est clair pour moi que la société chrétienne est empuantie d’une bien dégoûtante engeance et c’est terrible de savoir qu’elle est perpétuelle par la volonté de Dieu.
>Au double point de vue moral et physique, le Youtre moderne paraît être le confluent de toutes les hideurs du monde.
Or again
>Jusqu’à ce jour, la parfaite justice d’en haut ou d’en bas continuera d’exiger impérieusement qu’on l’exècre en le vomissant. Rigoureusement, je sais bien que les Israélites peuvent être appelés nos « frères », — au même titre, j’en ai peur, que les plantes ou les animaux dénommés ainsi par le séraphique saint François, qui ne s’est jamais trompé. Mais les aimer comme tels est une proposition qui révolte la nature.
>La sympathie pour les Juifs est un signe de turpitude, c’est bien entendu. Il est impossible de mériter l’estime d’un chien quand on n’a pas le dégoût instinctif de la Synagogue. Cela s’énonce tranquillement comme un axiome de géométrie rectiligne, sans ironie et sans amertume.
He objected to Drumont going on low culture proto-Goebbels chud rants, racial purity spiral and publishing lists of rich Jews. There is more to hating Jews than this plebeian trash.

>>24494355
I don't give a fuck about any of that. I watched articles come out for about a decade designed to instigate a Rwanda style genocide against me, and almost all of them were written by Jewish Americans and black people. Along with much more in overall media space.
Why are you talking about Germany? What the fuck are you talking about? You sound so smart and sophisticated man

Bump

1. Because you’re not vindicated like you think you are because your Jewish conspiracies are still just conspiracies and aren’t exactly the reality
2. Because even if someone turns out to be a nefarious actor doesn’t mean you are justified in hating them
3. It’s especially doesn’t mean you’re justified in hating them BEFORE they are nefarious actors

So basically you’re saying these guys are dupes because they told you not to hate people for doing something they either haven’t done yet or never will do.

And here’s the thing: you are still just using Jews as a scapegoat. The reality is that Europe is ruined, the West is dying, and your traditions are eroded not because the Jews made that happen, but because white liberal-progressives and post-war decadents made it happen while the Jews played along.

>>24496116
>Because even if someone turns out to be a nefarious actor doesn’t mean you are justified in hating them
Lol

>>24496121
Why should you hate a bad actor?

>>24494273 (OP)
>>In the end, the /lit/ antisemites like Ezra Pound were vindicated by history, and proven totally correct.
Total Ezra Pound victory.

>>24494314
>zoomers are just retarded edgelords though. I doubt they genuinely believe in or understand the logical conclusions of anything they say.
That's not just zoomers, all masses are like this. Only emotion matters, leave logic to the intellectuals and leaders.

>>24496138
Because they're making people's lives worse, and I want people's lives to be good.

>>24494308
The 3rd French Republic was completely run by Jews however, and it wasn't a secret for the Frenchmen of the time. I might understand this sentiment during the Second French Empire where they were kept out of power, but these authors were legit retards even for their time

>>24494419
>Shocking. Why would Russian Jews by hostile to the Tsarist government that spammed pogroms against their communities for decades? The Pale of Settlement? Never heard of her!

Who is even talking about Russia?

>But they didn't? The Balfour declaration happened in 1917. The 3rd and 4th Aliyahs were small scale and largely from Eastern Europe where Jews were discriminated against. The 5th Aliyah was the big one and happened because Germany decided to backstab the Jews that fought for her during WW1. Even still the vast majority of Jews stayed in Europe, you know, because that was their fucking home.

I wonder what international financial power is and whether it had an impact on the war effort

>Meanwhile Jews on the ground disproportionately contributed to the war effort. Better ignore all the men that bled and died for my country to focus on the handful that simply wanted an end to the war, as though that's an awful immoral thing. Wilhelm Frankl? Never heard of him!

I think you‘re pulling disproportion out of your ass and then trying to redirect that the pacifists weren‘t traitors. Classic pilpul.

>"some". We're talking 100,000 men who served in the German army with 18,000 receiving an Iron Cross. They gave more to Europe than your retarded, revisionist ass ever will.

Case in point, those are really bad numbers for the tens of millions that were called up and underrepresent a relative degree of awards on merit. Sounds like Hitler was right that most of them shirked with some office job deferment (like the terrible writer Kafka) or if called up agitated and fomented dissent at the front.

>>24496191
Funny how my trouble they have refuting simple, plain statements like this.

>>24494273 (OP)
you're an imbecile if you don't know that Bloy was extremely anti-semitic, he just didn't like low IQ anti-semites

>>24494874
>europeans evil even doe you're literally a hook nosed kike

>>24494355
Didn't Simone Weil fight on the side of people who desecrated religious people's graves?

>>24494355
literal jewish yowling of invented scenarios where you're oppressed despite doing "the right thing", and how you righteously retaliated accordingly (which just so happens to coincide with relevant conventional criticisms levied at your people). it's amazing how jews think they're all 5d chess matters when they do the same shit every single time.

>>24494378
My bloodlust won't be sated until every Ashkenazi is tortured for 108 days then subsequently executed.

>>24496685
You probably don't even know what an Ashkenazi is

>>24496748
What exactly makes you think I don't know?

>>24496835
the fact that you are brown and underage.

>>24496836
Enjoy dying from Tay Sachs, tranny.

>>24494308
Bolsheviks were majority Jewish. They were oppressing themselves, if anything.

If antisemitism becomes mainstream there's a good chance it's another divide and conquer strategy by the elites to shift focus on common jewish people

>>24496853
"divide and conquer" is a divide and conquer.

>>24496677
It's a real scenario you retard

https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/judenzahlung-jewish-census/

>The implications of the Judenzählung would be far more egregious after the war. Because the census results were never disclosed to the German public, the mere fact that it had been carried out legitimized and reinforced the anti-Semitic stereotypes that the political right propagated after 1918, fueling speculation and wild rumors about the Jewish war record. In the years that followed, Jews were thrust into the unenviable position of having to prove their war record.

So much for the right wing prattle of "saving the West", when actual Westerners are depersoned and have their contributions to the war effort covered up as in the case of Wilhelm Frankl.

>>24496215
>and then trying to redirect that the pacifists weren‘t traitors
The "redirection" is focusing on a minority of Jews while a far greater number were actively engaged in the conflict you imbecile. You have literally no rebuttal for this except to point to ever smaller numbers of Jews as a distraction.

This is the problem with antisemitism. You have a standard for behavior expected of Jews that is well and above what you would expect of your own people. It's to the point that literally any Jew that does anything "wrong" is seen as evidence of some collective hostile attack. Of course you'd balk if anyone applied the same standard to you.

>Case in point, those are really bad numbers
Except they weren't. Despite the flaws in the census, even German ministers acknowledged that the Jews were well represented in the war effort. That's the entire reason they didn't publish the census - because they couldn't definitely show a lack of Jewish support.

>Classic pilpul
Do you not feel even the slightest bit of embarrassment carrying on like the most egregious /pol/tard on the face of the earth?

>>24495042
>Jews need to answer for a handful of articles written by some extremists somewhere!

Okay, are you going to take responsibility for stormfront and all the random schizo natsoc white groups out there? No? Huh, why? Oh because a handful of retarded whites don't represent the entire white race? Shocking.

Why don't you just try to think rationally about the standards you're applying to Jews and how they might be applied to groups to which you belong.

>>24496910
>It's a real scenario you retard
jews having the best interests of the german people in mind is the invented scenario.
>So much for the right wing prattle of "saving the West", when actual Westerners are depersoned and have their contributions to the war effort covered up as in the case of Wilhelm Frankl.
saving the west is when you let trannies (see: the weimar republic) open their first clinic on your native soil.

lying kike jew.

>>24496944
>jews having the best interests of the german people in mind is the invented scenario.
That's not something I ever claimed. I gave you a narrativized account of German-Jewish involvement in WW1 which showed the German-Jews as patriotic about the war. This is historically accurate. See:

>Some Jews did fear marginalisation as the German public enthusiastically geared up for the Great War, but once the war began such attitudes dissipated and the general reaction of Germany's Jews was to greet the war with enthusiasm.[5] With the outbreak of World War I in 1914, the situation drastically changed for German Jews in the military. At the start of the war, 12,000 German Jews volunteered for the German Army. Of the 100,000 Jews who served with the German military, 70,000 fought at the front line, 12,000 were killed in action, and 3,000 were promoted to officer ranks,[2] but they could only become officers of the reserve, not the regular army.[6] The Iron Cross was awarded to 18,000 German Jews during the war, of which 1,000 received the first class award. Jewish-born Wilhelm Frankl became the first member of the flying corps to be awarded the Pour le Mérite.[1] The anti-semitic Judenzählung of 1916 disgusted many German Jewish soldiers, being aimed at falsely proving that Jews were trying to avoid military service.[2] For many German Jews, the war held the hope of being treated equal to non-Jewish Germans for the first time. Many Jews also held strong patriotic feelings for Germany and the belief that the war in the East against the Russian Empire would bring the liberation of their fellow Eastern European Jews from pogroms and persecution.[7]

You had a group of courageous men who signed up to fight for their country even while that country was actively discriminating against them. They had interests specific to their own ethnicity, yes, but not to the exclusion or detriment of the other ethnicities within their country.

>saving the west is when you let trannies
Cool so nothing to do with what I was talking about then.

>lying kike jew.
For pointing out that German Jews were involved in the war effort and that right wingers are disgusting pieces of shit that despise the West and its history?

>>24494287
Every Jew should strive to be civilized. It’s no different for non-Jews, its the same call. The problem I have with antisemitism is only that so many non-Jews are worse than Jews in these respects—so what does it even matter? You can blame the Jews for ruining society, but the gentile enablers and grifters and “Christian” Zionists deserve as much blame.But all great Jews were anti-semitic and denounced their heritage. That includes Mahler and Kubrick and Kafka, even Freud

>>24496915
The difference is I don't wield my power that way. And have long sought to end the further wielding of it that way. So nice try but nah. I didn't deserve any of that shit and will never forget it.

>>24496915
>a handful of articles
Eat shit

>>24495042
KWAB

>>24496116
>Because even if someone turns out to be a nefarious actor doesn’t mean you are justified in hating them
Really faggot?

>>24496669
She was also an antisemitic Catholic

>>24497423
Have fun fighting in the desert and/or dying in the fallout

>>24496915
It's not a handful of dishonest Jews.

>it's not happening!
>and if it was, it'd be a good thing!

I know you're type. You know damn well what's going on, your gaslighting won't work as well as it did 15-20 yrs ago. Get better at it, or alternatively kill yourself thanks.

>>24496116
No one's talking about conspiracies. It's a personal grievance.
As mentioned, not a handful, but an onslaught of articles. All mainstream media turned into a declaration of war against people who look like me. Along with a lot more, non stop and around the clock.
I dont care about Germany. I don't care about the protocols. I don't care about the banks. Personal grievance, lived experience. A much more difficult thing to appease.

>>24496191
Okay so maybe that justifies punitive action, but why hatred specifically dumbass? Hatred is a feeling and not an action you mong.

>>24497454
Yes you knuckledragger. When we sentence criminals to death do you think the judge hates the criminal? No, they don’t. They simply render justice without hatred. The onus is on you to explain why hatred specifically is good and justified.

>>24497830
They are though. It is a conspiracy to imagine Jews are behind the scenes pulling the strings about everything for nefarious purposes. Jews in the West simply act as many factions in the West do, in their own interest. The democratic regime makes it possible for Jewish money interests to buy, blackmail, threaten, and indoctrinate in order to get what they want, same as the other factions. They are simply better funded and better at it. That’s all. But zoomers seem to prefer this “Hitler was right and now Jews are orchestrating a master plan to kill whites” narrative that is just objectively not true.

>>24494355
The exceptions don't affect the general anti-gentile sentiment among them.

>>24494303
>we’re finally seeing a revival in mainstream anti semitism
Thanks in large part to Israel and her "diplomacy." Makes me think Jews aren't near as crafty as people make them out to be.

>>24497952
>They are though. It is a conspiracy to imagine Jews are behind the scenes pulling the strings about everything for nefarious purposes
Cool cool. So why did they weaponize mass media to instigate a racial character assassination against me that materially ruined my life?

>>24497952
>It is a conspiracy to imagine Jews are behind the scenes pulling the strings about everything for nefarious purposes

>makes it possible for Jewish money interests to buy, blackmail, threaten, and indoctrinate in order to get what they want, same as the other factions. They are simply better funded and better at it.

You're not supposed to start drinking before 6 o'clock. It's uncouth.

>>24497968
They're good at controlling the top of the hierarchy, that's why they get all their elite slaves in America and Europe to support them and cheerlead them. But they overplayed their hand due to pride and lack of self-awareness. They severely miscalculated. People who aren't political whores can obviously see through the BS and information spreads like wildfire in our era. The #1 source of antisemitism today is the actions of Israel and derived entities worldwide. It's calculated that they have killed 400,000 civilians in the 21st century, half of which are children. Insane. But what's interesting is how this is revealing the amount of control and power that they have on governments. There's no going back.

>>24497952
>germans in the germany simply act as many factions in Germany do, in their own interest. The democratic regime makes it possible for german money interests to buy, blackmail, threaten, and indoctrinate in order to get what they want, same as the other factions. They are simply better funded and better at it.

This would be Satan incarnate, correct?

Uh oh, spaghettio.

>>24494355
>jews disproportionately fought for the bad guys in ww1
>even though they were persecuted before and after
What the fuck is wrong with these people? Literally shooting themselves in the foot just to be evil.

>>24497952
You are negotiating. I understand.
But you have little leverage. The heat, is getting very hot.
What are you going to offer me, to make it up to me?

>>24497039
>freud
>great

>>24494355
>To think that someone like Simone Weil hated Europe, with her fascination in Christianity and European philosophy, is just an absolute absurdity. For most European Jews, Europe was the only home they ever knew. Their native languages were European, even Yiddish being an offshoot of German. They engaged in European philosophy and literature. Some of the most celebrated writers, like Kafka and Primo Levi, were Jewish. Do we even need to discuss the scientists?
>The antisemite objection to Jews comes down to Jews refusing to support ethno-nationalist movements that wanted to discriminate against them from the outset. In a sense, the only way a Jew is acceptable to the antisemite is if they practice absolute political self-annihilation and completely bow down to any and all abuse.
The problem with antisemitism is that there will always be some Jews who are OK, good, valuable people that wish the goyim no harm. The problem with shunning antisemitism is that there will always be some Jews who hate goyim, hate Christ, hate Europe, and hate everyone and everything that is not Jewish. The latter are deadly, and the question is how much danger, exploitation, carnage and suffering are you willing to put up with from the bad ones so as to make life pleasant and comfortable for the good ones? If you're a five-year old Gazan whose limbs have been torn off by Israeli bombs, savoring Simone Weil's fascination with European philosophy may not enough to make you embrace all Jews everywhere.

>>24496910
There were between 12 and 15 million German soldiers and close to a third got the Iron Cross in some degree. You are inventing a convenient narrative where in reality ~0.66% of total enlistment with 18% distinction is an embarrassment for attempting to prove support; meanwhile ignoring the overwhelming impact of their select, subversive political activities just because it wasn‘t a broad majority. And when this behavior is identified you can only cry about a board I‘ve never even used.

>>24494273 (OP)
Jews have changed too

Antisemitism became low class endeavour after the invention of psychometrics, Israel and electric data recording. People accuse the Jews of being le chosen, And the Jews just keep on proving it is indeed the case.

That wasn't the case 200 years ago, The legitimacy of Jewish superiority was under constant questioning even from the good faith intellectuals, In modern times refusing to acknowledge it is either a sign of being severely ideologically captured or a dimwit.

>>24501809
How's the weather in Tel Aviv