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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:23:28 AM No.24494914
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Is the deity of Christ biblical? What are the strongest biblical arguments for His divinity?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:24:26 AM No.24494916
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>>24494914 (OP)
Romans 9:5: "Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:37:43 AM No.24494933
>“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good except God alone."

what did Jesus mean by this?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:41:00 AM No.24494936
>>24494933
you can't be good without God, Godness is what is good
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:44:02 AM No.24494938
>>24494933
That same Gospel has

>for the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:46:39 AM No.24494941
>>24494936
but why is he referring to God as something separate than him
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:49:48 AM No.24494945
>>24494941
Jesus is both Fully God and Fully Man, so it all loops around together.

You need to get comfortable diving into the infinite mystery of the Trinity. The mystics will help you with this.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:51:40 AM No.24494948
>>24494945
doesn't answer the question
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 12:07:09 PM No.24494957
>>24494948
Jesus as Human can relate to Jesus as God from a distance, since both are the same and yet apart.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 12:44:11 PM No.24495002
>>24494914 (OP)
>12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man,[d] dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 2:07:07 PM No.24495113
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>>24494948
you don't get it
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 2:34:09 PM No.24495166
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>>24494914 (OP)
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 2:36:44 PM No.24495171
>In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God... and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:05:24 PM No.24495205
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>>24494914 (OP)
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:37:18 PM No.24495257
>>24494914 (OP)
The Bible clearly paints Jesus as God.
People who argue that it doesn't are usually arguing that specific books don't paint Jesus as God, that it was a doctrine which developed over time, and the books which more explicitly depict Jesus as God came later. It's a viewpoint held by non-believers, who view the Bible as a disparate collection of books.
However, you're asking if the deity of Christ is "Biblical," which (I assume) means you consider the Bible a singular text. That's the Christian view, which assumes harmony of the Bible because the different books and authors were inspired by the one Holy Spirit.
If doctrines can be Biblical, then yes, the doctrine of the deity of Christ is unambiguously Biblical.
The strongest is when the Apostle Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and My God" and Jesus blesses him for believing. It's at the end of the Gospel of John. The beginning narrative of the gospel of John says Jesus is the word, and the word "was with God and was God," implying some belief in a singular God with multiple members, it's not explicitly stating the entirety of trinitarianism in so many words, but it does line up more with trinitarian theology than any other mainstream religious doctrine.
Outside of the Gospels, the Epistles frequently state Jesus is God. Philippians 2:5-7, 2 Peter 1:1, Colossians 1:15, Colossians 2:9, etc.
There is certainly no honest Biblical interpretation in which Jesus is a mere man and nothing more. You can't read the Bible and come away with it thinking "this book wants me to believe Jesus is just a prophet."
Many people in New Religious Movements try to square the concept of believing in the Bible but not believing Jesus is God, and it can't be done.
The deity of Christ is definitely Biblical.
>>24494933
>“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good except God alone."
It's an open ended question. Two ways to read that verse:
1. Jesus is good, and is therefore God
2. Jesus is not God, and is therefore not good
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:04:14 PM No.24495293
>>24495257
Jesus is not painted as Literally God himself, remember there is a father and a son
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:09:36 PM No.24495300
>>24494933
>"Why do you call me fat?" said the fat man. "No one is fat but him who eats a lot."
He was answering his own question.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:10:37 PM No.24495304
>>24494933
>Why do you call me good?
>No one is good except God alone
>Therefore, you call me good because I am God.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:15:24 PM No.24495308
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>>24494914 (OP)
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:17:57 PM No.24495312
>>24495293
Jesus = God
Father = God
Father =/= Son
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:19:04 PM No.24495316
>>24495312
God created Jesus
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:20:50 PM No.24495319
>>24494914 (OP)
In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God. John 1

See also the opening prayer in Companies Colossians. Also: "I am the Alpha and the Omega" or "before Abraham was, I am.'
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:22:28 PM No.24495323
>>24495316
>Begotten not made, of one essence with the Father, true light from true light, true God from true God
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:23:40 PM No.24495325
>>24494945
>Jesus is both Fully God and Fully Man
But that's retarded. You can't be fully something, and fully something else. The clauses contradict each other.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:24:41 PM No.24495327
>>24495205
>it's not a mental illness
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:25:42 PM No.24495329
>>24495312
So Christianity is polytheistic. Got it.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:25:46 PM No.24495331
>>24495325
you can be anything
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:26:43 PM No.24495335
>>24495331
Great, you mean I really get to be an attack helicopter?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:27:02 PM No.24495337
>>24495329
wrong
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:27:50 PM No.24495340
>>24495337
Then explain or refute this: >>24495312
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:28:03 PM No.24495341
>>24495335
Yes, if you have godly powers, but a cunt like you can't even handle himself
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:29:23 PM No.24495345
>>24495340
you are your father, but that doesn't mean that you are not God, but that doesn't mean that the father is not the son, that doesn't mean that you worship 2 dudes, you should worship the father
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:31:00 PM No.24495349
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>>24495340
Jesus' Divinity: The Nicene Creed, with its affirmation of Jesus being "true God from true God, begotten not made, of one essence with the Father," explicitly asserts Jesus' full divinity. If Jesus is God, then to worship him is not to worship a separate entity, but to worship God Himself.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:46:44 PM No.24495381
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>>24494914 (OP)
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:50:38 PM No.24495392
>>24495349
We know how you like to pontificate, but this does not refute the obvious contradiction in >>24495312
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:52:47 PM No.24495397
>>24495341
You sound mad. Is that your insecurity showing through?
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:53:00 PM No.24495398
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>>24495392
It does, in orthodox Christianity, worship is directed to the one God, who is revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. To worship the Father necessarily includes worship of the Son and the Holy Spirit, as they are all equally God.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:57:14 PM No.24495405
>>24495345
>you are your father
Yeah, this argument fell at the first hurdle.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:58:31 PM No.24495410
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>>24495405
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:59:22 PM No.24495413
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>>24495398
>Christians rejected Arianism in favour of this
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:00:01 PM No.24495415
>>24495413
Are you a satanist? who are you then?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:04:23 PM No.24495431
>>24495415
>hurr durr dissent is satanism
Arianism is objectively more coherent than Christian orthodoxy.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:06:22 PM No.24495435
>>24495431
>Arianism is objectively more coherent than Christian orthodoxy.

I worship the father and obey the son but I KNOW THAT THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUTH
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:20:49 PM No.24495466
John 1:1, 14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." This passage explicitly identifies Jesus (the Word) as God and affirms His eternal pre-existence.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:23:42 PM No.24495474
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>>24494914 (OP)
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:18:33 PM No.24495615
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>>24494914 (OP)
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:33:22 PM No.24495646
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>>24495329
>>24495340
>>24495392
>redditor hears of the Trinity for the first time and freaks out
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:56:06 PM No.24495820
>>24495474
Please stop spamming. Make your arguments and make your threads but there is no need for you to constantly get banned and spam more in response.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:13:39 PM No.24496082
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:16:17 PM No.24496086
>>24495820
Banning the religion won't do nothing
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:28:53 PM No.24496246
>>24495646
>anime poster
Opinion disregarded.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:31:14 PM No.24496249
>>24495466
>retconning Genesis
Holy cope, John!
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:00:47 AM No.24496306
>>24495325
You'd think so but you'd be wrong.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:13:57 AM No.24496329
>>24496306
You are wrong
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:19:05 AM No.24496337
>>24496329
Sorry but no, Jesus is both fully God and fully Man hypostatically united. It's like how you're fully gay and fully retard and yet one anon
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:40:54 AM No.24496369
>>24496337
>it's fully this and fully something else
LOL retard