Anonymous
6/25/2025, 2:55:53 PM No.24495193
I just realized that a novel cannot truly replicate an accurate conversation without sounding goofy. Every novel we've read is a lie
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Thread 24495193 - /lit/ [Archived: 731 hours ago]
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:04:35 PM No.24495203
>>24495193 (OP)
Carpenter's gothic by Gaddis
Carpenter's gothic by Gaddis
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:12:27 PM No.24495213
>>24495193 (OP)
I'd argue most real world conversations are goofy. Especially when reported verbatim outside of the original context. I think that's probably why a lot of conversations about other conversations end with "you just had to be there to get it." Maybe the way to improve dialogue in writing isn't to write thoughtful, believable lines, but to surround whatever line you do choose to put down with a decent simulation of intuiting the context of that conversation for the reader.
I'd argue most real world conversations are goofy. Especially when reported verbatim outside of the original context. I think that's probably why a lot of conversations about other conversations end with "you just had to be there to get it." Maybe the way to improve dialogue in writing isn't to write thoughtful, believable lines, but to surround whatever line you do choose to put down with a decent simulation of intuiting the context of that conversation for the reader.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:14:32 PM No.24495217
>>24495193 (OP)
>Every novel we've read is a lie
how so? it'd only be a lie if you thought a novel had the intention to "truly replicate an accurate conversation" in the way one would report on it like a scientific object. It truly replicates an accurate conversation by replicating not word for word what it is like to have a conversation but by using the medium of writing to parse through what we feel is an accurate conversation, or at least one that sounds not goofy.
>Every novel we've read is a lie
how so? it'd only be a lie if you thought a novel had the intention to "truly replicate an accurate conversation" in the way one would report on it like a scientific object. It truly replicates an accurate conversation by replicating not word for word what it is like to have a conversation but by using the medium of writing to parse through what we feel is an accurate conversation, or at least one that sounds not goofy.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:17:04 PM No.24495224
Movie conversations don't resemble how real people talk at all either. Real conversation is really bad.
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Hans
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6/25/2025, 3:43:12 PM No.24495264
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:16:19 PM No.24495309
>>24495193 (OP)
damn dis nigga really just find out bout mimesis
damn dis nigga really just find out bout mimesis
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:24:33 PM No.24495326
>>24495193 (OP)
I mean it depends. Some authors that have specialised in dialogue can get pretty close i.e. Gaddis and honestly Fosse as well. Gass is a close third but you can tell he was aware of dialogue not being his forte and thus minimised it enough in his work that painstakingly constructing and rediting it wasn't impossible only just about.
I mean it depends. Some authors that have specialised in dialogue can get pretty close i.e. Gaddis and honestly Fosse as well. Gass is a close third but you can tell he was aware of dialogue not being his forte and thus minimised it enough in his work that painstakingly constructing and rediting it wasn't impossible only just about.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:39:40 PM No.24495363
>>24495213
>but to surround whatever line you do choose to put down with a decent simulation of intuiting the context of that conversation for the reader
“It’s hot out today!” Jack said as he swung his hammer again. Tom was taken aback. His hands began to tremble on his own hammer’s hilt. Tom knew what Jack had meant by that—the way he said it, the way he looked while he said it—it was obvious to Tom that Jack wanted to sodomize him.
>but to surround whatever line you do choose to put down with a decent simulation of intuiting the context of that conversation for the reader
“It’s hot out today!” Jack said as he swung his hammer again. Tom was taken aback. His hands began to tremble on his own hammer’s hilt. Tom knew what Jack had meant by that—the way he said it, the way he looked while he said it—it was obvious to Tom that Jack wanted to sodomize him.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:40:41 PM No.24495366
>>24495224
The Sopranos stands out to me as one of the only pieces of media that can consistently accurately portray small talk
The Sopranos stands out to me as one of the only pieces of media that can consistently accurately portray small talk
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:45:49 PM No.24495379
>>24495366
Home Movies and that new Cube and Crocodile show do it very well.
Home Movies and that new Cube and Crocodile show do it very well.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:41:13 PM No.24495517
>>24495363
Perfection. No notes. A brilliant work of literature.
Perfection. No notes. A brilliant work of literature.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:47:40 PM No.24495532
>>24495193 (OP)
this is why we need to canonize cumtown transcripts
literally the pinnacle of human dialogue
this is why we need to canonize cumtown transcripts
literally the pinnacle of human dialogue
Voluntary Fool
6/26/2025, 2:20:29 AM No.24496557
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM