Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.

audiobooks are not reading

>>24499473 (OP)
Depends on the book.

3x niggas where you at tho with the AI summary podcast fr fr

>>24499473 (OP)
There is only one audiobook I ever listened to and its only enjoyable because a mix of the content, narration and music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIxEwij41kg

>>24499473 (OP)
It counts as listening. If I go to see the town bard tell a tale, I heard it but didn't read it

>>24499473 (OP)
God I fucking hate audiobooks.
Podcasts and most music belongs objectively in the trash as well. The zoomer obsession with constantly having another person’s voice prattling off in their ears is only more proof that most of them don’t have any internal monologue.

>>24499547
Your town doesn’t have a bard you fucking liar

>>24499593
>The zoomer obsession with constantly having another person’s voice prattling off in their ears is only more proof that most of them don’t have any internal monologue.

This is what weirds me out the most about them, it's like they hate silence

>>24499602
what is blud yappin about :skull:

>>24499473 (OP)
Don't underestimate the power of spoken words

If someone listened to the audiobook there are allowed to say they "read it", what else are they going to say, that they heard the book?

>>24499687
they listened to an audiobook

>>24499473 (OP)
ignorance is strength
listening is reading

>>24499473 (OP)
Most "people" who listen to audiobooks are fucking around doing something else. Unless you sit and absorb it all you're not actually "reading" anything.

At that point unless you are blind or cannot lift a book through sickness, injury, or birth, you might as well read a real book.

>>24499706
It depends on how mindless the activity the "something else" is. Long-distance drives, for example, are perfect for audiobooks.

>>24499473 (OP)
Ummm ableist much?? Some people can't read!

>>24499711
You're either paying attention to the road or listening to the audiobook. Unless you're listening to light podcast fare which you'll forget most of the next day, you're either zoning out of the book (bad) or zoning out of the road (very bad).

>>24499717
Literal robots can drive cars long distance, bud. I get that you want to die on this hill, but driving isn't a heady activity.

I read normally while also listening along to a TTS voice. It helps my retarded ass focus. I wish I had the excuse of being a zoomer with a shot attention span but I'm 30 years old. Unc is so cooked fr ong on bd

>read book with eyes
>words appear in head
>listen to audiobook
>words appear in head
SAME DIFF.

>>24499811
Reading forces you to set your pace intentionally, while listening allows you to allow the pace to be set for you.

>>24499473 (OP)
There shall be a way to filter out all the illiterates in internet so it can become a better place. It's sad that technology has helped stupid people to survive.

>>24499820
I usually set the pace between 0.85 and 0.90. Simple :)

>>24499820
I simply don't respect people who listen to audiobooks if they don't have a disability other than intellectual disability.

>>24499473 (OP)
This shit is the “is a hot dog a sandwich” type question that engages the redditor crowd of retards who just have to give their opinion.
If you use audiobooks or don’t, who the fuck cares? Who do you imagine you’re trying to convince either way? To what end?
If you waste your life engaging in this shit you should be considering suicide instead.

What do people even do while listening to audiobooks? At least for books, I can sit and read comfortably.

>>24499845
>What do people even do while listening to audiobooks?
Doomscroll tiktoks and reels

>>24499593
i need my japanese immersion though?

>>24499473 (OP)
Ancient Greeks listened more than they read. Everything was a performance, even Herodotus went around city-states and did TEDtalks on his stories.
What's good for the Greeks is good for me.

>>24499593
>>24499602
Audiobooks have been a thing for decades. Hell, people even liked radio dramas. If you were born a hundred years ago you'd be dilating about movies being a thing. People like pleasant sounding voices. What's so fucking hard to understand?

>>24500058
“Decades” means shitall to me. Audiobooks are fucking gay.
>n-not an argument! A-ad hominem!
Blow it out your ass

>>24499473 (OP)
How do you read sound ?

>>24499719
Robots can't drive and effectively absorb an audiobook, either.

>>24499593
>filtered by music
Soulless bug

>>24499473 (OP)
In most contracts there are separate options to indicate if you read the form or had someone read it to you.

>>24499843
i care because if you say "i read books" but you actually don't then you are misrepresenting yourself on purpose and i don't like liars.

>>24500053
ridiculous cope. the greeks were giving their oral storytellers their full and undivided attention whereas you use "books" as background noise while you scroll through social media because silence makes your mental disorders flare up. the brainrotted modern idiot couldn't be further from his ancestors if he tried.

>>24499593
Books are just a cope for inferior younger generations not being able to memorize stories the way our forefathers were.

>>24499473 (OP)
Whoever listens to audiobooks belongs to the proverbial boiling cauldron of shit. I can't imagine listening to some indian narrating Fitzgerald, Wells or Lovecraft as speaking sentences you can't even investigate the literary connotations before getting buried in the next sentence. Earth hinges on two kinds of people: those who would rather be blind than deaf, and those who would rather be deaf than blind and.

>>24500712
Most, anon. Most.
I play cornet, cello, and double bass. I think most music is trash because I wish to hold it to a higher standard
I know I’m a jazzfag

>>24499473 (OP)
>using a wheelchair counts as running
>using a wheelchair counts as running
>using a wheelchair counts as running
Don’t be ableist, now, chuddies

>>24500053
>>24500920
greeks didnt even have books they had shit like scrolls lmao nigga be readin a SCROLL

>>24499717
I don’t have time to performatively read like a gayboi, you might not engage as closely with a work as a close reading but you can always re-listen or read the book later, not every book needs to be digested. Practice a little discrimination

>>24499845
Walk, drive

>>24501074
Jazz is for niggers

>>24500920
So your problem is not with the audio format but with attention and multitasking. Moving the goalposts until you arrive at something nobody could disagree is bad.
I bet those Greeks were chattering and tuning in and out of an oral story just like all people everywhere always. The rich ones had slaves that would read to them while they were eating or doing some repetitive shit (Pliny did that, yes he was Roman, but it was probably widely used by those who could afford it in both Greece and Rome).
There's like two or three dozen books I wouldn't have (re-)read if I had not listened to them first. It's one of the few actual boons of modern gadgetry, making chores or long travel a non-issue because you can listen to a book or a play.

>>24500939
>Wells or Lovecraft
With all the authors of actually complex prose you picked two that are very workmanlike in their style, which is just right to deliver the action and mood of a story with little ornament.
They're just right for the audio format. Another good one is PK Dick. Now, authors like Proust, Joyce, Mann, Nabokov or Gene Wolfe are utterly incompatible with it, but you probably haven't read those anyway.

>>24499473 (OP)
By the literal definition, it's not reading, but if you pay attention and absorb the content then it achieves the same end, so it's kind of a moot point.

>>24499687
I usually say I listened to it, though I might also say I 'read' it if I'm speaking loosely.

>>24500908
Is someone saying they read a book lying if they read a digital file with the contents of the book rather than the actual physical book?

>>24501511
obviously not, because they did perform the act of reading. reading is reading no matter what surface holds the symbols, stone or paper or screen. i'm talking about people misrepresenting themselves as "readers" when they objectively do not read.

Here's a quick tutorial for low-IQ people to tell the difference between the two!
Reading is when you use your eyes to mentally imbibe the book words.
Listening is when you use your ears to mentally imbibe the audiobook words.
Thanks!

>>24501661
But are they lying if they said they read a *book*, rather than a PDF?

>>24501675
only when some kind of substantial false impression is produced by them omitting the fact of the book being stored digitally, eg if they cause me to believe they possess some rare volume when in fact they only have access to a scan. in all other cases, no, it's not a lie. you're pedantically focusing on the wrong word entirely ("book") in order to obfuscate the one that actually matters ("reading").

>>24499473 (OP)
>I read 100 books this year
>Really? How?
>Audiobooks
>Kys
Slop eaters are dishonest.

>>24500712
Music is shit. I can't enjoy music anymore since I've learnt English.

>>24501393
what a slimy dipshit you are. you're the one that tried to muddle up the conversation by bringing up ancient greeks and then when i try to bring it back to the real subject you accuse me of "moving the goalposts"? if you want to defend the modern retard's abandonment of literacy in favor of audio content then defend that, don't change the subject to a superficially similar activity by substantially different individuals in a totally different culture. no, the modern brainrotted teenager that can't focus on long-form text and can't bear a minute of silence without wanting to rope is not like fucking pliny. ridiculous cope and dishonesty.

Why do zoomers think repeating something makes it true or having a character point to a sign or something makes their opinion true

Most people have never experienced what it's like to be 100% focused on a single activity and there's no point in trying to explain it to these NPCs. Example A:
>>24499711
>>24499719
This guy thinks that he's paying close attention while he drives down the road and thinks about what he wants to eat for lunch while an audiobook plays somewhere in the background. That's all he's ever known and he's not going to learn any better now.

Imagine mowing the lawn without audiobooks

>>24501756
Because they are aggressively oversocialized and for them, the final argument is an appeal to authority. If the sign/teacher/government/majority says something, then it must be true.

I don’t get it, are the anti-audiobook crowd kids that want to prove they aren’t like other zoomers?

what about listening to the audiobook while reading a physical copy? i like how the narrators are good at using different voices for each character

>>24501713
Why does lying about the fact that it's a book matter more than lying about how exactly they got its contents into their brain?

>>24501754
You can seethe all you want but it's obvious you deviated from the thread topic of whether audiobooks are reading to some generic get-off-my-lawn flailing about dumb zoomers that can't focus. It seems you're the actual retard that can't focus on a thematic line. Go and make another highly original thread about how literacy is in decline if you want to discuss that.
>not like fucking pliny
an analogy is not an equation, retard. The point is that listening to words is a legitimate medium to get at the information content of a written text, as it was 2000+ years ago for Pliny, or the Greeks.

>>24499473 (OP)
Head-on, apply directly to the forehead.

>>24501802
if you tell me you read books and in actuality you read ebooks you are not causing me to form incorrect notions about you because none of the notions i do from about you depend on what kind of surface you've been reading the words from, whereas if you tell me that you read books and in actuality you listen to audiobooks you do cause me to form incorrect or potentially incorrect notions about you, more specifically about your level of literacy, ability to endure silence, ability to maintain focus for prolonged periods of time and so on. in other words the man who reads books and the man who reads ebooks are not substantially different figures whereas the man who reads books and the man who listens to audiobooks are substantially different figures and therefore presenting yourself as one when you are the other constitutes a lie. i hope this clears this up for you finally.

>>24501831
if your understanding of the thread topic is "are audiobooks reading" then your post about the greeks is already an off-topic deviation as the statement "greeks did more listening than reading" in no way answers the question "is listening reading," or "are audiobooks reading." your post is actually trying to claim that "listening is desirable" (through an appeal to authority, ie "because greeks did it"). your post is in fact worthless both with relation to the topic "are audiobooks reading" as well as the broader "are audiobooks desirable" since the modern use of audiobooks is not, in fact, like that of the ancients' use of listening. you're just doing a verbose version of putting "i listen to audiobooks" next to a gigachad picture. in conclusion your posts are actively detrimental to understanding the topic and you should kill yourself

>>24501870
would your impression of me change if I sometimes read an ebook with a fidget spinner? (one with two 'wings', not the classic one with three)

>>24501853
Genuinely the best commercial ever

>>24501773
Listen to a baseball game like a grown ass man you dweeb

>>24499473 (OP)
Are you in public? Where did you sit? Is it a soft cover or a hard cover book? Is it on a E-reader? What position are you sitting in? Is it an audiobook or visual book? What color is the cover of the book? Are there women sitting around you?

All of this may seem really important to an outside observers but to someone who actually reads they understand that it is unimportant compared to getting the author's words into your head.

>>24499483
The correct take, I would consider some of Vance's stories to be better on audiobook, I would consider most of Edgar Rice Burroughs' works better on audiobook, and I would consider pretty much everything from GRRM better on audiobook, but it really depends on whether the prose is suited to being read.

Philosophy doesn't work on audiobook at all, history is by far inferior to the written word, and anything by Joyce is completely wasted in an audio format for example. Most novels simply are inferior on audiobook frankly, I have a lot of free time at work to listen to audiobooks and have given up on anything other than scifi and fantasy audiobooks generally, with the exception of weird conspiracy books that I find amusing.

The fun is that some things, like fairy tales, are completely different between audiobook and written. In particular, some of Lovecraft's stories are worth reading and listening to on audiobook, especially his more poetic and fantastical stories.

>>24501903
"Count as" is not the same as "is". A tall enough child might "count as" an adult as to meet the requirements of getting on a rollercoaster. It is obvious that the original post refers to the quality of "counting as" reading to the degree that it is as enriching and wholesome as reading, not that it is categorically the same activity as reading.

>>24502224
Cormac McCarthy is great in audiobook, already listened to a few titles twice and will eventually read print, it’s probably the readers who have nice accents but they feel like they’re meant to be read aloud and are not so complex like Faulkner that it’s hard to really follow

Who the fuck is counting? Who gives a shit whether some autist on the internet you'll never meet thinks it does or does not 'count'? Just do what you enjoy doing. God damn. Grow some fucking balls.

>>24499473 (OP)
Correct

>>24499476
Wrong

>>24499593
I hate you too. I'm an audiobook, btw.

>>24501784
I had some of those as a kid, you'd play a CD and it'd be synced to the book

>>24501853
Headcrab, apply directly to the forehead

>>24502305
Listening isn’t reading. It just isn’t. What about this is confusing? Right now, you’re reading this post. Is listening to an audiobook the same process as what you’re doing now? No? Of course it is isn’t, because it isn’t reading.

Being anti-audiobook is young pseud coded

>>24502335
Hey you should read >>24502235

Is reading really so hard that people need audiobooks?

>>24499473 (OP)
Listening to a book and reading are 2 entirely different exercises
Listing audiofrauds as readers is a disservice to people who read books

>>24501745
Shouldnt trust anyone counting the quantity of books they read per year anyways

>>24503269
at the rate he's going he's going to fail that challenge

>>24499473 (OP)
It's a legitimate way of consuming a book. So long as you pause it whenever you're doing anything that requires real focus (if you have a high iq then driving, cooking, and menial tasks shouldn't be a problem) then there's no reason to suppose you haven't properly absorbed it. Many immortal classics were intended to be read aloud to illiterates. It is, however, technically a different act from reading.

>>24499476
Wrong.

>>24499711
>Long-distance drives, for example, are perfect for audiobooks.
You shouldn't be listening to anything and staying focused on the road.

>>24500490
>“Decades” means shitall to me.
Twenty to thirty years, stupid.

>>24501143
I'd kms if I was confined to a wheelchair.

>>24499473 (OP)
So much fried attention span cope in this thread kek. Just admit you can’t focus long enough to read a book. We all know you absorb and retain the information at a higher level when you actually read it, it is objectively more engaging and requires more of your faculties.

>>24503978
reading books is for niggers

>>24499593
>muh zoomers
Kill yourself millenioid

>>24502241
McCarthy is mostly better in print. The books he wrote that are close to Faulkner's Sanctuary work in audio but there are certain passages you want to pour over and bring your own nuance in to.

Audiobooks are for adults with full time jobs.

I would have bounced right off Infinite Jest if i was reading it.
I have listened to alot of audiobooks and i have found that my retention is not quite as good as reading. I have also found that its more difficult to listen to one without an occupying, semi autonomous activity. My favorite time to listen to books is during work when i have a long prep project.
I have enjoyed several classics that I have either been too intimidated to try in the past, or titles that I would have never thought to pick up in a library simply for not having reason to walk over to that section. I use Audible and i really like the button that rewinds at 30 seconds a push. I try to use the clipping method to save pithy quotes and mark important passages, but i often forget to do so. Thats an area where i really have to give it to printed books. I love to annotate.