So this whole time you guys were full of shit about the whole "trad publishing is dead" thing.
What the hell?
You guys said it would be impossible but all I did was submit my work a couple of times over a year and then send my work out to small publishers that published stuff comparable to mine.
That's it.
That is all I did.
Do you guys even submit your work?
Are you all just the writer equivalent of an incel where you complain about not having a gf but haven't talked to a girl in ten years?
And before a bunch of submissioncels get upset and post a bunch of proof that the publishing industry is a mess; I am not debating that.
The difficulty has probably provably gone up but that isn't the point, the point is have you even tried?

OP you are probably right that a lot of guys on /lit/ don't even try. I've been submitting for decades, and at this point I've got probably half a dozen short stories and a dozen poems published. Not a lot, but I'm out there. So yeah, just keep trying, you'll hit it eventually.

>>24499725 (OP)
>Are you all just the writer equivalent of an incel
Huh. This is a really good take on the common bitchy /lit/ doomer.

>>24499725 (OP)
how much did u get paid?

>>24499737
barely enough to almost not be embarassed about.

>>24499725 (OP)
what's the point of getting published if u don't make money? just to be an egomaniac and see ur name in print? who cares abt that, go shake ur ass cheeks on tiktok and everyone will know your name

>>24499758
some places will 'publish' you with a bunch of other people if you buy a couple copies of the compilation or whatever

>>24499758
>what's the point of getting published if u don't make money?
Ahh yes avarice, the root of all great art

>>24499725 (OP)
This post = ART

>>24499774
yeah but like if society doesn't deem ur output good enough to allocate enough resources for u to work on it full time they must feel u will produce more value digging ditches or serving slop at mcwagies know what i mean

>>24499785
>know what i mean
Yes, but it still ultimately amounts to seething

>>24499793
huh who's seething tho

>>24499725 (OP)
>small publishers that published stuff comparable to mine.
what weird niche are you in, fren?

>>24499797
You're basically just saying "things were better before therefore I will not accept anything less than this ambiguous benchmark" which could be viewed as a protest if anybody gave a fuck, but they don't, so you are just making your life worse for no reason and lamenting nostalgia that doesn't even belong to you.
>>24499801
Niche style of poetry

>>24499813
Well, congratulations to you. Don't forget to add your book to the /lit authors list.

>>24499736
The involuntarily unpublished.

>>24499837
inpubs? nopubs?

>implying the doomers even got to the stage of writing something to submit in the first place
Is it a chapbook or a full collection?

>>24499846
>Is it a chapbook or a full collection?
One long 250pg poem divided into different sections

>>24499725 (OP)
Where? Like short stories?

>>24499854
Oh, fuck, so like a narrative poem? An epic? I've written a few of those myself, Anon. Where did you find places to submit them?

>>24499897
Nta but could I see some of your stuff?

>>24499818
where's this list?

>>24499930
you can probably message lewis woolston on goodreads. also remind him to add honor levy and joshua cohen's book

>>24499918
Here's some ekphrasis I did a few years ago, as part of a much larger project I've worked on for a while. It's science fiction, in case you can't tell.

>>24499725 (OP)
>Are you all just the writer equivalent of an incel where you complain about not having a gf but haven't talked to a girl in ten years?
the difference here is that publishers actully do want you to submit

So whats wrong with self publishing?

>>24499725 (OP)
>Do you guys even submit your work?
People here don't even have any work. They just like to cry and moan. Fatalism.

lit/zens should share resources more often, good mags, high payments, unique residencies. A Chad Submitters General /CSG/ if you will that haters can stay away from.

>>24500967
/lit/zens should share me their bussy.

>>24500002
It's kind of fruitless.

>>24500002
Publishing traditionally means the editors (essentially readers with merit) have deemed your work good and fitting for their publication. People will read, say, a magazine for its particular style or niche and because they trust the work to be good, and your work is presented to them as part of that with those qualities promised by the editors. There are standards and a pre-existing, receptive audience (or else the publisher will be making efforts to cultivate one).

>>24500973
honestly how would a /lit/ bussy be different than a normal one? they have philosophized themselves into sissyness for the Ubermensch?

>>24501162
Something something fetish for high iq losers

>>24500967
I actually would really like that. In theory we could use the Writing General for it, but I notice those guys seem to be hyperfocused on the crafts and troubles of the actual writing process, and not so interested in actually publishing their stuff. A lot of them are big RoyalRoad boosters, too, and, well, RoyalRoad is the sort of thing we'd be wanting to avoid here, yes?

So somebody should make a Submitters General Thread, or something like that.

>>24501170
Are you mentally strong enough to philosophize sodomizing a twink and not call it cheating or gay?

>>24499756
You cheap ho.

>>24499844
Inpubs for the retards who dont try snd complain (this board)
Nopubs for the retard who keep edging themselves by producing what could be acceptable work and then delete it and bury it down the hole, along with their dreams..(this board)

>>24501373
I dont think anons French.

>>24500967
>>24501287
You already have /wg/ and /wng/ the last thing this rotting corpse of a board needs is another general

Anyone got experience with trying to get published in academic/social science journals? I have a political theory/history of intellectual thought paper in the works, and curious if anyone has general advise based upon experience before submitting.

>>24501694
ask your advisor moron, and if ur not affiliated with an academic institution they aren't going to publish your wacko crap

>>24501744
I already talked with them and got good advise and wanted to ask here for the hell of it given the thread.

>>24501373
>>24501395
Philosophizing it is very gay. I'll just fuck the twink and regret it after like a real man. Scotch's on me.

>>24501694
Harass the publishers. Find out where one lives and spend your time gang talking him in various disguises. Try posing as a milkman. Leave copies of your work everywhere but his mailbox. If he has any children seduce them. Kill his dog. Get a job at restaurants he goes to. Hire a guy that looks like you to approach him one day with your manuscript.

>>24501779
roger that

>another short story rejected
Bros... I think I'm not going to make it

>>24499971
Dude you could defs get published! Do you have any more?

>>24500967
I like this idea

>>24501694
yeah just literally make a list of each and every one that you can possibly find and then extrapolate these into a calendar and then start submitting. Obviously there will be other steps inbetween but just start here and you can figure out the rest as you go

>>24501805
Keep in mind the One Hundred Rule: You are not allowed to complain until you have collected one hundred rejection letters in a row. Not many people are ever able to do this.

>>24502042
Whats typical turn around for them for responding and giving feedback?

there's duel conversations ITT about how to submit writing and how to submit a twink without regretting it, and I like them both.

>>24499725 (OP)
What magazine was it

>>24502045
anywhere from two weeks to three or four months. Best way is to map things out so you have a few submissions going concurrently.

>>24502055
I've submitted to quite a few pubs by now; one of them is called Cordite

>currently not accepting submissions

But I always wanted to get published with this mag

https://www.bruisermag.com/zine_series01

>>24502061
Good to know, not sure if there's that much that are relevant/topical to my paper but there at least a few. I'll go check for more beyond the few that I know and like the best so far.

>>24502079
>currently not accepting submissions
This is just me but I got AI to make me a thing where I will get an alert when submissions open for stuff. Look into setting that up and as a bonus scheduling like this really makes you think of writing as an actual job.

are u a bad enough dude to get published in butt magazine?

https://buttmagazine.com/library/butt-36/

>>24502086
Being niche is good because it means that the places you submit to will be much more likely to establish a back and forth and WANT you to be accepted even if they reject you at first. Also I have found that it is useful to add in that you would be interested in contributing in other ways in your submission. That way even if you have to rewrite a couple of times before being acceoted you can get your foot in the door writing bout other contributors work

>>24502092
kek is this just a gay porn mag or what? I've seen it a gd stores

>>24502098
well there's a lot of dudes in underwear and shit but its not really a porno mag it has a lot of interviews with musicians and shit but also some weird shit like what is this even:

https://buttmagazine.com/interviews/raoul-de-jong/

Okay so it looks like THIS is turning into the Submitter Thread, so I'll post this in here. Check this out, guys:

https://firstthings.com/poetryprize/

First Things is a pretty serious intellectual magazine that's very Catholic-heavy but not exclusively so. It bills itself as "America's foremost journal of religion and public life." They're also one of the few venues left that seriously pays for poetry. I got a poem published by them once and they paid me $100, and this was years before inflation.

So they're having a poetry contest. Check the prizes: $2000 for first place, $1000 for second place. Like I said, serious money. Serious judges, too: at least one of them, Dana Gioia, is a fairly formidable poet who has championed the return of form and meter to serious poetry.

Entry deadline is June 30th, so you have until Sunday at midnight to submit. Get cracking, fellow poets.

>>24502098
>>24501759

Fucking a twink and regretting it like a man anon should post a how to guide

>>24502110
if u like religious chit peep thelampmagazine.com they apparently accept submissions but most issues all the shit is from dudes you've heard of so good luck with that

>>24502096
>Being niche is good because it means that the places you submit to will be much more likely to establish a back and forth and WANT you to be accepted even if they reject you at first.
Good to know, I don't know exactly how niche it is in the grand scheme of things, but it does follow a tight thread between the topic at hand and the backgrounds of the prior thinkers being built upon and related to each other along the way.

>Also I have found that it is useful to add in that you would be interested in contributing in other ways in your submission. That way even if you have to rewrite a couple of times before being acceoted you can get your foot in the door writing bout other contributors work
As in, both editing/expanding my paper as is, while editing and adding to other scholars pieces towards their publication?

>50 thousand dollar essay competition for philosophy.

https://berggruen.org/essay-competition-open

Which autistic king needs a crown?

>>24502044
I'm close to 95 kek. It's so fucking over

You're probably getting scammed by a vanity press LMAO

>>24502182
>no previously published essays

Well, dang, I guess I can't just pull something off my Substack, then.

>>24502110
based submitter

>>24502198
that doesn't sound like 100 to me.

>>24502221
Dude stop Coping
and start Submitting

>>24502315
I am coping because the idea that OP is so happy about their success when there's the possibility that he's getting strung along by a vanity press trying to make money from him by flattering his writing ability makes me incredibly anxious and so I cope by mocking him over the possibility instead of seriously entertaining it

>>24502035
I have a lot more. Here's another sample. This meter is something I kind of jiggered up myself. A bit of a twist on a fourteener, with seven stressed beats, but this line both starts and ends on a stressed beat. It's imprecise, and I'm still refining it, but when it hits it's got a good effect.

>>24502426
I would like to remain in contact anon. Let me make a proton or something.

>>24502324
That isn't what happened and you should believe in yourself more.

>>24499725 (OP)
I can't speak to the lit publishing world, but I've found that a frankly horrifying amount of things the people write with confidence about on here are based on zero experience. If you're good at something and have decent willpower, you should absolutely pursue whatever that is if you want to. Do not listen to people here about what is dying or what is worth it or what is possible.

>>24502719
Well, shoot, I'll shoot you an email if you want, or some kind of incognito messenger or something.

>>24502741
shoot us an email

>>24499725 (OP)
>won’t name themselves or link their work
Nice LARP

>>24499725 (OP)
Most of us aren’t writing faggy poetry, we’re talking about books.

Also name the publisher and your work if this is t just bait.

>>24503560
>>24503563
as if somebody would be stupid enough to reveal personal information to the vitriolic incels on here

>>24503131
Sent it. Check your email.