Why is religion separated from philosophy in the West, whereas in the East they are integrated?

>>24500685 (OP)
They's aren't

>>24500685 (OP)
Careful OP, you're not allowed to discuss the East on this board. The autist euroboos will descend with vengeance upon your subject and derail any thread that isn't about European enlightenment or the Greeks or some shit.

>>24500685 (OP)
>Why is religion separated from philosophy in the West
Only in modernity, because more and more people became Atheists. Historically there has been so separation.

>>24500691
I'm European and think - in the vein of Huxley and Perennial Philosophy - that there are some foundational truths found in every religion, no matter whether it's from the West or East. We Westerners can learn something from Eastern religions, but I'm not someone who thinks we should all seek our salvation there. Turning exclusively to the East and disregarding our own traditions is deluded.

>>24500693
Who's responsible for that? Richard Dawkins?

It’s simply a misunderstanding. Buddhism, for example, is nothing more than a secular philosophy which was co-opted by fundamentally religious people and made religious in that way. The philosophy itself is not religious. Confucianism is decidedly not religious. It’s an ethical philosophy akin to stoicism.

Islam is somewhat unique among these since it is sort of a hybrid of largely secular ethical philosophy and fundamentally religious philosophy, but it’s important to note that it is not nearly as religious as it might look. Islam is first and foremost an ethical philosophy. It simply insists that the ethics are derived from Allah.

>>24500700
I honestly don't know

>>24500696
>Turning exclusively to the East and disregarding our own traditions is deluded.
Not what I said or implied at all, retard.

>>24500704
>Islam is first and foremost an ethical philosophy. It simply insists that the ethics are derived from Allah.
What about Christianity?

>>24500696
> mutually exclusive theories somehow are all truthful
Post-modernism is a brain disease honestly. You guys need to go back to logic 101. Buddhism literally posits an impersonal absolute that somehow renders this phenomenal world illusory by default and yet allows you to say with certainty that there is an impersonal absolute which renders the world illusory by default lmao. It makes no fucking sense and if you think there is “truth” in this you’ve simply not thought about it very deeply. So many of these religions and philosophies are culturally-derived superstition masquerading as religion and philosophy. The epistemological problem I just highlighted probably never occurred to the ancient Indians, but it should for us. You have no excuse for being this ignorant.

>>24500714
The opposite: first and foremost a religion that makes heavy use of philosophy. If you really analyze the world religions and their claims, Christian theology stands alone in its combination of religious superstition with philosophical rationalization about it. Unlike Islam which is basically just “you have to do X because Allah says so and don’t bother to ask questions about how we know about Allah because Allah commands you to not ask them” Christianity supposes a fundamentally religious claim, that a man was literally God, and then makes use of philosophy to explain that presupposed fact.

>>24500719
Ironically, you're probably the same type of faggot who sees the copious amounts of contradictions in the Bible and turns around and bold-faced says out-loud "There are no contradictions in the Bible, ACKCHUALLY"

>>24500685 (OP)
What philosophy? Based on what I've seen here, Hinduism at least doesn't make you a better or smarter person, and most Asian people treat Buddhism with nothing more than tokenism, like how "cultural Christians" existed.

>>24500685 (OP)
>judaism
>western
???

>>24500789
>Christianity
>Western

>>24500792
Yes. The New Testament was written in Greek and the Church that Christ founded is in Rome.

>>24500817
It's a Levant religion. Cope.

>>24500685 (OP)
Abrahamic autism

>>24500685 (OP)
western philosophy is just as religious as eastern, but if you take a modern philosophy class this is a convenient way to justify why the syllabus won't include eastern philosophy without the professor having to say they just don't care about it.

>>24500696
This is exactly the problem with the West. The dualistic zero-sum mindset that infects everything from philosophy, to religion to politics. It'll probably be the end of the Western empire because they can't tolerate anyone else existing and will stupidly go to war for it. Don't worry you can still read your Greek philosophy after America collapses, you might have to sell your asshole for food though.

>>24500836
It's Western. Try again, faggot.

>>24500954
It originates from Zoroastrianism, further East than you think.

>>24500685 (OP)
abrahamism
it is the law,therefore rigid,dogmatic,about fulfillment,not about thinking outside of a frame
religion is roman,greek,etruscan,phonician,egyptian,celtic,etc
religion is or barbaric - celtic,germanic,etc
or civilized - roman,greek,egyptian
civilized religion - open for philosophy and rationality
barbaric - has no natural limitation on embracing philosophy,but has circumstantial backwardness

abrahamism is not religion,but law,mos specifically - barbaric law
as opposite to civilized law - dharma
civilized religion and law - philosophy embraced
barbaric religion and law - philosophy or unknown or actively rejected

Could God make a dick too big for his gussy to take?

>>24501038
why post that arab?

>>24500700
Try Voltaire and Gibbon.

>>24500792
The "west" as we know it is basically the bastard mutt child of the Greeks and the Jews.

>>24500691
I like Tao te Ching.

>>24501221
RETVRN!!

>>24500954
Christianity has its birthplace in Israel, which is the Levant. It's thoroughly an Eastern tradition you disingenuous cocksmoker. Jesus was a Jew.

Continue to cope and seethe about this basic fact.

>>24501224
Based

>>>See that Semitic religion that's an offshoot of an earlier
Semitic tradition based and sprung from the Middle East from its very inception based around a thoroughly Semitic man of Jewish faith?
>Yeah, that's actually NOT a Semitic tradition from the east because it spread west ACKCHUALLY

You people are some of the most aggressively fucking stupid rats I've ever had the misfortune of encountering anywhere on the web.

4chan needs to just be renamed RetardDaycare.org

>>24501207
to attract Guenon posters

>>24500685 (OP)
It's a Reformation/Protestant thing. Philosophy was extremely religious before Christianity and certainly within Christianity up to the Reformation. The reason the Orthodox don't have as many big name philosophers is many (partly because being "big" meant getting popular in the West), but it's partly because they never excised Christianity from philosophy. Hence, guys like Solovyov are way more Christian than their German counterparts they are building on (Hegel and Schelling in this case). Of course, a lot of them were fiction writers too instead of straight philosophers.

This is mostly a Reformation thing, although you can sort of see it in comparing Saint Thomas with Saint Maximus and Saint Gregory Palamas, where the former don't stray as far from Christianity (although Aquinas is still obviously a Christian thinker and not a thinker who happens to be Christian).

>Cathlocultist blames Protestants post #9998899766567889865899653589865889976
You worship graven images, potatonigger

>>24501363
>potatonigger
Lot of Nerve from you retards.

>>24501369
Go """venerate""" a marble cock, HYPOCRITE FAGGOT

>>24501374
Nigger I don't care about your desert cult shit.

>>24501376
Then SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>24501377
no u

>>24501229
Israel didn't even exist back then, retard. Christianity as we know it is a Western tradition and wouldn't exist without Western thought.

>>24501450
Fundamentally, it's about the battle between good and evil. That dualistic framework comes from Zoroastrianism.

>>24501450
>t. Moron

>>24500685 (OP)
1. A large part of western philosophy is just rationalizing for power.
2. It was never actually disconnected until recently. Basically every philosopher was pulling from religion and esotericism and mysticism up until the word wars. And even philosophy after that still has roots in those things. That Disenchanted understanding of western philosophy was a myth that emerged and was then projected back into history. With people consciously and subconsciously filtering out any evidence that would suggest otherwise.

>>24500685 (OP)
The opponents of Socrates posses state approved phds

Basically every philosopher that posits something other than naturalist physicalism still argues in favor of doctrines close to the supposed magical thinking of the East. Moral facts that objectively exist? Mathematical Platonism? Immaterial consciousness? These all are commonly debated ideas held by a good deal of philosophers that postulate things which cannot be empirically investigated, and they're fundamentally not really that different from the Tao or what have you.

The separation is usually said to begin with Descartes, with starting from a place of doubt, the increasingly abstract idea of God, and distrust of Christianity, so even when lots of philosophers were pantheists or mystics of some kind they contributed towards a world detached from any singular religious doctrine and gradually the world began to be explained without any reference to the divine.
>>24500789
>>24500792
"The West" is historically composed of the Abrahamic-Hellenic synthesis, and this includes ALL kike desert religions whether you like it or not. Muslims were also reading the Greeks, and early modern thought (not just science, but also philosophy and esotericism) is a continuation of their developments or at least takes a good amount of stuff from it. Every hardcore Aristotelian was also an Averroist, it's shocking how often they pop up when you read texts from the time, and every alchemist or Hermeticist was using Arabic sources. But the Hindus, the Chinese? They don't give a fuck about Plato or Socrates. Muslims do, their "falsafa" is literally from Greek.

>>24501468
go back further anon.

>>24500704
> Buddhism, for example, is nothing more than a secular philosophy which was co-opted by fundamentally religious people and made religious in that way.
Buddha’s teachings heavily depend on and are inextricable from numerous supernatural concepts which must be accepted on the basis of faith. It as religious as you can get.

>>24500719
> It makes no fucking sense
how does that not make sense?

>>24500685 (OP)
false western ideals of progress, that somehow all metaphysics or epistemology must rest on "falsification" which is absent in the east.

>Western Religions
>It's all jew shit

>>24500685 (OP)
Abrahamic religions are not western.

>>24501920
The real religions of Europe are too esoteric to be known about by the common pleb.

>>24500685 (OP)
The success of the scientific method in explaining the natural world led to a shift away from metaphysical explanations and towards empirical verification. This created a new paradigm of knowledge that often stood in tension with religious explanations, particularly those seen as dogmatic or unprovable

>>24500691
>Bro doesn’t know about the Vedanta posters
Hello newfren

>>24500685 (OP)
It used to be all interconnected like in the east like you describe (science included) but then changed later on. There’s even a book explaining this whole situation that answers your question and why it happened and what happened. This is what it’s called:
The Flip: Epiphanies of Mind and the Future of Knowledge