"Progression fantasy" edition

A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as:
>Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!
Economy of Effort: Turtle Method 101
https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/132239

Running your story like the business it is:
https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

Was asleep. Don’t know what happened to the previous thread or why no one bothered to make a new one if it’s such an attention-worthy subject. But let me kick things off with a conversation starter:

How’s your writing career going, silly webnovelist?

>>24502637
I made good progress on my outline. life is good.

Any decent romcoms? What have you guys been reading lately?

>>24502701
reading robert fagle's iliad right now. but webnovel wise reading How the Stars Turned Red (whenever it gets a new chap) https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/42876/how-the-stars-turned-red-slow-sci-fi-space-opera but not romcom though.

I followed A Fractured Song before it was stubbed. It's more romafantasy however.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/33024/a-fractured-song

have anon's FFF-class on my backlog but may be a hot minute before I read it since I want to read Odyssy next.

>>24502637
I suspect that the jannies have been removing our threads because of our previous images, which were the cover of a Japanese LN and My Immortal which is a fanfic. This thus gave the jannies a justification to remove our threads on grounds of them being anime/fanfic, despite the fact that neither are actually discussed in our threads.

>>24502637
been going well actually. just trying to reach 30 chapters worth of story before I start releasing it.

one thing that I've noticed is that I tend to start drifting to other stories at certain points when I'm writing and usually that's when I call it quits and take a break.

do any of you daydream about any of your other stories stuck in your head while you're in the middle of writing as well?

pic related had me in a daze, daydreaming about moral reversal stories. "teisou gyakuten" is what they'd term it in japan.

>>24502845
Actually, yes. this has been a huge problem for me. I’ve ended up writing 11 different stories in the last year alone. Out of those, five didn’t make it past chapter 20, two died before chapter 30, and one actually made it to 80 chapters before I axed it.

I get hit with way too many ideas and not enough mental bandwidth to do them all justice. Honestly, people who can write the same story for a thousand chapters are either possessed or straight-up insane.

>>24502825
Okay then, as a general rule, we should keep it on-topic. But I don’t see what the problem is, honestly. A lot of light novels started out as web novels. And things like my Immortal and HPMOR definitely influenced a lot of web novel authors. And for god’s sake, let’s not forget what Fifty shades of grey started out as.

>>24503116
I feel like being self-indulgent and widening the scope of the story can help. Expanding on the very idea and being truly autistic with explaining the grit of the story is what makes it last long.

The tough part for me is trying to make that entertaining for yourself as well. Once I nail down the formula, it'll be rinse and repeat again and again. I find it hard to make characters so that's my key weakness right now.

Antagonists and minor characters don't feel so minor or unimportant for me when I have to impart something to care about them. Writing really is hard lolbut that's the fun.

Once I nail down my own formula, I swear I can write a serialization. But for now,, it's experimenting with short stories for now and reading long serializations and see what they did and try to see if I can incorporate their techniques as well.

I don't want to fall into the trap of bloating my words for the sake of it as I've somewhat noticed a lot of webnovels have done but at the same time I understand why they do it. I'll worry about this later.

>>24502825
>>24503124
If that's the case then it sets an extremely retarded precedent where we won't be allowed to post >95% of RR or scribblehub webnovels simply because they have an anime bookcover. The deletion was conceived from such an autistic mentality that it couldn't be further alienated from the preference of current audiences, a clear prejudice against the entire sphere of modern fiction.

I hoped this wasn't the case, but wait, it gets worse, even non-anime OP /wng/ threads are being pruned according to the archive:
>https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24500369
Whoever is doing this is a boomer or failed literary agent with a hateboner for self-published works that don't happen to be just another bait thread on the catalogue.

>>24503394
it's probably a pseud who is really upset /lit/ isn't used for intellectual discussion (kek) only so deletes such threads under whatever pretense he can find.
it's why I think a /wng/ esque thread (lns or cultivation slop etc) never took off, they always get pruned.
imo just post the royalroad image as the OP every time so we stop getting deleted, it's annoying

>>24502627 (OP)
> Advice for Noobs!
if we're gonna have this section it should have sanderson's college lectures as a general how-to-write-fiction primer, Alexander Wale's blog since he talks about the craft of serials specifically (probably link that one article in specific), and keep DOTF's launch guide for the business side of RR

it's not that
>Economy of Effort: Turtle Method 101
is bad I just don't see why it's included. the author is kind of a no name, invents his own terminology pointlessly, and from what I can tell scrolling through it is just DOTF's guide but worse. Did you find something unique and insightful in there? It's way too long for me to actually read so maybe I'm missing something

>>24503413
Because none of that garbage is literature and doesn't belong on /lit/. Neither is this thread, but it's somehow tolerated for whatever godforsaken reason. You should be on your knees thanking God and not whine like a little bitch.

>>24503519
Your definition of literature is the very antithesis of literature. The same sterile beliefs held by publishers that repeatedly dismissed Lovecraft's stories back in the day.

>>24503519
Invisible Dragon is not literature... wtf?

>>24503413
Just going to spitball two recommendations to bakers here:
>No fanfic images
>No stuff with foreign language (mostly asian)
Otherwise they'll find reasons to delete the thread.

>>24503519
I'm a better writer than you
you're wrong

>>24503426
>It's way too long for me to actually read so maybe I'm missing something
What makes guides from RR/SH authors worth reading is that they're laser-focused on the very webnovel sites you're going to publish, not a generalist fiction 101 pro guide per se, but more as a survivalist handbook written out of their own successes and failures for our specific sets of WN platforming challenges.

I'm writing a generic fantasy story, but I'm posting it RR chapter by chapter until I finish it and can selfpub on Amazon or something. Can I get some feedback on these possible covers?

>>24503803
Hey, I think I know you, isn't your book the one with the top left cover?
Anyway, here are my thoughts:
>Top left screams power fantasy
>Top right seems like MC and sidekick
>Bottom left seems to fit more of a "turned into monster" story
>Bottom right has more of a "carrying/protecting the girl" feel to it

>finished the last bonus chapter for my book
>updated my cover now that the commission is finshed
>got a super nice review from a reader who gets what I'm going for
>have the whole rest of the day free to finish formatting the manuscript
What a great day. I'm going to have a third energy drink, methinks. One of the good ones.

>>24503811
Yep, top left is my current one. I like the sword and sorcery vibe of it a lot, although I wonder if bottom left would be more suited to the RR audience

>>24503833
I think top left is the best one for RR audience, if I saw bottom left in a bookstore, I would guess that there was 50/50 chance of it being a deep kino fantasy with lots of background that the author is teasing with a creature or trash, no inbetween.
My favorite though is bottom right.
But better take a second opnion, ask your readers, do a poll, send a message to other authors. In the end I'm just a guy on 4chan, not a marketing experts or even an average RR reader.

>>24503803
I like bottom right :)

>>24503394
an anime STYLED book cover for an actual web serial is a very different thing from posting a tv anime's promo shot.
it's not about artstyle it's about apothecary diaries not being /lit/

>>24503803
>and can selfpub on Amazon or something
Does RR let you do that? I have no idea where the intellectual property situation stands if you publish something on RR first.

>>24503905
https://www.royalroad.com/tos
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>Rights You Grant Royal Road. By posting Your Content, you grant Royal Road a non-exclusive, worldwide, sub-licensable, revocable license to use, display, promote, edit, reformat, reproduce, publish, distribute, store, and sub-license Your Content on the Services. This allows us to provide the Services, and to promote Your Content or Royal Road in general, in any formats and through any channels, including any third-party website or advertising medium.

>>24503905
There are tons of books that do this, I'm surprised you haven't seen them before.

Hello again, guys!
The first chapter of my second Macro-Arc is officially out!!!
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story

I’ve also done some polishing, such as organizing the story into volumes.
The cover for Volume 2 is in the picture, what do you think of it?

>>24503973
I don't like your story but I do like this cover
pre' cool and intriguing

>>24503973
I gotta agree with the other anon, this cover is vastly better than the previous one, you should simply discard the first so this becomes the default, it will boost your viewership

>>24503980
>I don't like your story
Bro, my whole story is summed up in that picture(Volume 2 Story)

>>24503988
Bro, It's AI generated.

If this had been a real book published on paper, that first cover would’ve been the one.

>>24504003
This cover isn't AI generated but it primes the reader for a realistic medieval Anglo-Saxon wars setting, while also clashing with the anime-esque title; what I seek to clarify is that you'll be essentially attracting and repelling two different audiences by your book cover before they press [+] to read the summary. Meanwhile that other cover may be AI generated but it is marginally more in line with the mood of your first chapters, and much more visually intriguing to look for scrollers. You as the author know what is best for your own work thought so either way good fortunes

>>24504031
It’s more a question of pride.
You’re absolutely right, and I’ll probably change it by the next Macro-Arc, but this was the one I wanted to use if one of the agents I contacted had decided to pitch my story.

>but it primes the reader for a realistic medieval Anglo-Saxon wars setting, while also clashing with the anime-esque title;

That clash is intentional. The story is about a medieval-inspired society that has evolved into modernity without abandoning nobility as the central pillar of power because thanks their magic they have maintained a monopoly on warfare.
That’s exactly why I loved the juxtaposition between a medieval-style painting and a modern-looking font.

>>24503787
Sure, but that's why I said it's just DOTF's guide but worse. It seems smart to have a
>General Fiction Craft (Sanderson)
>Web Serial Craft (Wales)
>RR Specific Guide (DOTF)
not
>RR Specific Guide (DOTF)
>RR Specific Guide But Worse

Is the Lord of the Mysteries anime good?

>>24504056
>That clash is intentional.
"It's intentional" is a response I see given to way too much advice, and it makes me shake my head every time.
A decision being intentional doesn't absolve anything. It doesn't magically make it smart or effective. You can intentionally decide to shit yourself in the middle of a crowded store.
Anon is right, that cover is awful for RoyalRoad, your story, and even a normal book.
But you will do as you please, we've learned that. Godspeed anon

>>24504112
Wrong general and wrong board

>>24504103
Feel free to up-grade it by next threat then, though I wanted to emphasize that for Platform-specific guides, authors giving recent advice on algorithm workarounds is always more relevant than older, more thorough advice due to ever-evolving algorithm practices

>>24504112
it's not an /a/nime it's a donghua. im sure /d/ can answer this question.

Okay /wng/. I am not a /lit/ denizen so excuse me if my vocabulary is a little bit lacking but I wanted to ask something. I have, due to several unfortunate series of events, created a story on webnovel. I have not put any tags or done anything besides generate an AI cover. For all intents and purposes it should be undiscoverable by all common laws of search-engine optimization. Somehow it has been suggested to 900 people yesterday and 1000 people today. And it has been added to collections. Its two completely unrelated, nonsenical, error ridden chapters.

Are those bots? Should I be worried? Is the editor really the worst designed piece of word processing software since Microsoft Word?

I am sorry for the intrusion.

>>24504385
Bots are currently in the process of repackaging your runaway hit for Amazon, please be careful!

>>24504392
This tells a lot but at the same time says nothing.

I must thank you anon.

>>24504385
>Somehow it has been suggested to 900 people yesterday and 1000 people today.
webnovel is known to make up their view numbers. you'll see million-view stories with less than 1 comment a chapter

>>24504411
for what purpose?

>>24504385
Post it

>>24504494
No that would be the antitheses of what I want. People finding it. I am literally just fucking about with the editor and learning all the nooks and crannies. I don't need real people reading or judging shit. Ewwww.

>>24504510
why do you need to experiment so much with the editor's nooks and crannies? it isn't the large hadron collider
just post shit and let people read it

>>24504524
Because I ain't doing it for me. I have an author friend who... let's say would likely be welcome at the luddite convention. And he has discovered the wonderful world of webnovel authorship through a certain unnamed acquaintance. They used to do books the old way. Manuscripts on rusty typewriters kinda shit. They barely know how to pay stuff online. And I am now the unfortunate soul that has to help them learn at least one website to start. I am making sure I only have to do this once.

>>24504537
buddy, you choose without a single doubt the worse site imaginable and unimaginable to start with Webnovel. Yank the plug ull force before your friend gets suckered into a contract that everyone and their dog agrees is absolutely totally unfair to you and your friend. Try wattpad or something instead if you really are insisting on having him publish something online but don't want eyes seeing it. Or Quotev.

>>24504540
I have chosen all of the ones listed at the top of this OP for that. I am going through all of them. I just came here to ask why webnovel is the only one where it seems to be seen, read or even recommended. All others indicate no such things. So I wanted to make sure nothing out of the ordinary is happening. I very much assumed bots or fake numbers but why would they do such things?

>>24504510
why publish them at all if eyeballs aren't the goal?

>>24504550
webnovel is bottom of the barrel(like literally beneath the barrel in the ground where the worms reside), it's chinkshit and as other pointed out their practices there are absolutely scum of the earth including the inflated views and whatnot.

>>24504411
I glossed over that word, yeah this anon is on point

>>24504550
>why would they do such things?
who knows. encourage beginner authors? fake the numbers so the site overall seems more successful? could be a number of things

I feel like I'm overusing em dashes—how many is too many per chapter? Like thirty?

>>24505031
I use like 5-10.
Also, you'll probably get accused of using AI to write because you use them. While it hasn't happened to me, I've seen it happen sadly.

>friend sending me audio clips of them trying to pronounce words from the inhuman language I made
based

>>24505062
I think I can dodge the allegations of using the AI punctuation because I couldn't get my keyboard to make them when I first started posting, and I'm only putting them in now for the published book. So old chapters online will show how it looked before I put the fiction sprinkles on top of my work.

They're just addictive.

>>24505062
what is the reasoning behind that? is it just that ESL's are unfamiliar with them?

>>24505062
not in prose brother, you have brainrot. anyone who has read essentially anything has seen emdashes constantly
people assume emdash=ai in like, online spaces, because so few people actually have a keybind or autocorrect like is found in word processors, so it's a giveaway you copy pasted it from chatgpt or similar. but obviously that doesn't apply when word or scrivener turns two dashes into an emdash and 95% of authors use it frequently

>>24505124
>relying on the processor to substitute it for you
I have alt 0151 programmed into my muscle memory because of how often I use it
I bet zoomer anti-intellectualism is going to look very similar to this emdash bashing culture because they all used AI to do their essay writing

>>24505119
There's not a key for them on the keyboard, and LLMs use them generously, so it's obvious when a comment is copy-pasted from an LLM.

Non-readers and bots don't know this and think they're being clever.

>>24505031
I think you should use them sparingly. But at the minimum keep them limited to one use per sentence. Also yeah it does suck there's this trend of using em dashes is indicative of AI. Boy am I relieved I serialized just a year or two shy away from when chatgpt and them were far went live.

>>24502845
I usually try to keep a couple half baked stories in that twilight zone between plotting and first draft. They're useful for catching those stray ideas. I've never had one grow enough to become an actual project of its own before ending up abandoned and filed away, but I'll often cannibalize aspects from a few of them to flesh out a concept that feels lacking.

>>24504550
got a friend writer in webnovel. contract is trash but yeah they do market your shit though. that being said, it's absolute slop in terms of what the people there would tolerate.

gotta publish 2000 words a day or 2 chapters as they'd recommend. that shit is hellish and you wonder why the writing their is really unpolished to say the least. doing a backlog isn't a good idea because if your idea gets rejected then you're fucked so a lot of stories just really go by vibes to start and just overwork themselves to get a decent backlog.

women in particular there, are as stereotypical in their preferences. werewolves, vampires, and do both if you're good at it and you got yourself a market. romantasy is king for women as usual.

for men, it's wuxia (martial arts), xianxia (chinese high fantasy), fantasy, isekai, reincarnation and transmigration. any of those genres work but the most important part is to give a sense of progress. THE READERS BEG FOR POWER UPS AND AURA MOMENTS. it's literally zoomer writing and gg. Solo Leveling unironically is bible to them so let that sink in for you. easiest way to win with this is make a system or narrator for your story. having to let webnovel readers have to decipher your writing will be a big turn off, a mistake my friend there made. join the slop and embrace the slop if you want the dosh.

going back to the first topic, the money there is abysmal. make $60 and they up it to $200 for you. Make $200 without the boost from them and they make it $400, you do make money from the donos so you're not limited to the $400 from what I've heard. only applies for 4 months tho.

Lots of the money made from what my friend told me is through cheers that usually happen at the high points of your current volume's arc.

Remember the 2 chapters a day (2000 words) quota I said earlier? you need to keep that up 24/7 for these 4 months to apply for the bonus btw. after that, you're on your own with your income. they have this system called a 'privilege' system to make your biggest readers have to pay for early access, that's what you gotta rely on for most of your money and put goals for your readers to achieve.

you only get a 28% cut iirc from the donos you get but in return webnovel does all the marketing for you. he did say that you get a one time big cut if you're popular enough for a comic adaptation but that's a rare thing.

they do have an audiobook platform that also makes money for you if you're popular enough. that being said only the OGs make enough passive income from those ($2000 - $4000 a month) but that's low for first world standards amirite?

imo just test around but don't expect any platform to be easy, they all have their caveats so good luck.

>>24505270
I noticed that with those stray ideas of mine as well.

It does help me solidify and make a more solid core idea though so I guess it helps.

I'd still do it just for the sake to avoid burning out on one idea.

Nothing's new under the sun anyways so reading is still king for me. Just get ideas from others that I like and see how I can make it mine.

I am currently just reading Karl Jung because it's astrology for men. I feel like I'll need it just to solidify strong character personalities for the time I ever feel like I'll make a political fantasy lol (which is never but who knows right?)

>>24505135
It is kind of amusing to see a postmodern Butlerian Jihad unfold in real time, spearheaded by an agitated coalition of zoomers, gen alphas and possibly gen betas.

>>24505288
2k words a day isn't even hard. A couple of hours of work if you have functional hands. Which I, unfortunately, don't.

>>24505965
Bro, your speech to text?

>>24505965
It's not hard to write 2000 instances of the word NIGGER a day, but maintaining some level of quality control i.e. going through first/second/final drafts and editing that many words is difficult, especially maintaining it for months on end

>>24505965
prove it then. post your story and I'll genuinely support you because I believe it's hard.

14k a week is hard but 2k a day isn't
meaning 2k a day for like, 4-5 days isn't so bad. with the other days for editing/taking it easy
2k words should only take 2-3 hours of writing assuming you're writing pulp, and we're in the web serial thread soooo

>>24505993
>drafts
Drafts feel unnecessary in a digital medium when it's trivial to make edits. This isn't like you have to pay a bunch of people to assemble type for your book so you only want to print it once and then never again. Plus online readers are really tolerant, and their feedback is invaluable. If you have a fundamental flaw in a chapter or arc, and you spend 3x the time on it doing revisions and drafts, and then need to redo it from the ground up, you're losing a lot of time and energy compared to someone who just threw up a first draft with light editing, maybe a second draft.

My personal system is to write a first draft one day, revise it the day after, then toss it in the backlog. Then, before I schedule it for upload, I read it one last time, usually couple weeks later. These are very light editing passes for typos and maybe consistency of terminology.

>>24506047
>My personal system is to write a first draft one day, revise it the day after, then toss it in the backlog. Then, before I schedule it for upload, I read it one last time, usually couple weeks later. These are very light editing passes for typos and maybe consistency of terminology.
I can't speak for what other authors do but this feels like too little editing. You should at least do like 3 edit passes, including a line-level flow/clarity pass where you rework a bunch of sentences (the first draft is always sloppy in that aspect). That's what I do at least

>>24504564
>>24504631
>>24505288
So what I am reading is. Fuck that platform.

Cool. Thanks for the answers. Tally-ho lads.

>>24506047
you sound like you don't care about your writing

>>24506062
another anon here. those views in webnovel from what I've read count generously.

viewers that get a glimpse, not even click on your book's page in webnovel count as a view. they do have an effective reader count that needs a 1 minute read of any chapter on your book.

if I am unable to maintain an upload schedule long term what should I do?

>>24506105
write the first few books first

>>24506105
Then you're supposed to to the kindle bait-and-switch and avoid webnovellizing for long term

>>24506105
backlog
if you catch up to your backlog,announce a month hiatus and sort your shit out

I'm deeply paranoid about running out of material to post. I don't think I'll be comfortable launching anything until I have several books worth of slop in my backlog

>>24506105
Learn from this experience going forward and outline to avoid this seemingly noobtrap pitfall.

>>24506064
I'm more interested in getting the content out than I am about having perfect prose and word choice and punctuation. It's not poetry, it's web fiction litrpg slop.

>>24506059
I've noticed that my first drafts tend to be a little higher quality than average, even before the first editing pass the next day. I have to force myself to keep moving forward and not succumb to perfectionism.

>>24506105
I had about 30 chapters written when I started publishing, and I was writing a chapter a day (1k-2k words per chapter), AND I committed to only posting three chapters a week. So if I have a good week with no interruptions, I post three chapters, and add four more chapters to the backlog. If I have a bad week, and only can do three chapters, I break even. If I have a disaster week and write nothing, I only lose three chapters from my backlog.

This isn't optimal for the RR ecosystem but it's working well enough for me. I'll most likely have my entire trilogy complete and up for sale before book 2 finishes serializing on RR, which will make it super easy for me to schedule the rest of the chapters at that point and do some work plotting out in detail my next book/series.

>>24506183
>I have to force myself to keep moving forward and not succumb to perfectionism.
do what works for you but nobody is calling for perfectionism, only saying that two "very light editing passes for typos" isn't enough even for web sloppa (imo)

>>24506183
drafting is primarily for story structure and putting together the elements of a narrative
line edits are one thing but not caring enough about your story to draft makes it seem like you don't care about your writing much at all

In a setting of all men, would it make more sense for everyone to be gay or asexual? I made them asexual, reasoning that the magic which creates them negates a need for sexual drive. But the people in my writing club tell me I’m being homophobic.

>>24506262
Tell them to fuck off

>>24506216
Maybe we have a different understanding of what drafting means, then. I usually start with a few sentences describing what I want to happen in the chapter, as part of an expanded outline, and then write that out into a 1.5kish word chapter, which I consider the first draft.

I'm paranoid about posting samples here, but I did post one and nobody told me it was atrocious writing, so I think I'm okay.

>>24506262
>But the people in my writing club tell me I’m being homophobic.
I take that as a sign that you're doing something right, but the idea of having a setting where women don't exist at all, rather than say a ship where only men are aboard, is fairly strange. If there's only one sex, having an explicit sex doesn't make much sense. They sound almost more like homunculi more than "men."

>>24506262
Suck their cocks, then tell them to fuck off. Deep intense sloppy rimming optional to get the point across you aren't homophobic.

>>24506262
tell them to fuck you

Some dude just told me that he's drawing what he thinks my protagonist's schlong looks like.
On the one hand, it's fanart, which is a great compliment, but on the other hand, he called it big and stinky and I don't fucking want that.
Genuinely don't know how to feel.

>>24506303
laffed

>>24506303
You should be more appreciative of smegmamaxxing fanart, you fucking ingrate

>>24506274
>They sound almost more like homunculi more than "men."
There are women elsewhere in the world. Just not in the nation where the story is set. The sorcerer who rules their land only has access to a magic relic which makes men. The people in the group didn’t like how I’m making such a clear cut male/female dichotomy in this setting, either. I didn’t want to have 64 (or however many genders there are these days) magic relics.
I’m setting things up like this because I really want to explore platonic relationships. The brotherhood among soldiers and bond of mentor/pupil. I didn’t want things to come down to “who’s boning who.” That just seemed so simple.
But according to this writing group it should just be about ass pounding and dick sucking regardless.

>>24506342
are you posting on reddit or some random discord
those communities are just like that
your creative vision is fine. ideologues will get up in your shit about anything, ignore them

>>24502845
I thought I'd finish the whole first book before I start uploading anything. I fucking suck at sticking to a schedule when writing, sometimes I write a whole chapter in a day, sometimes it takes me 2 weeks. I don't really plan this story to go any longer than 2 'books' anyway with about 200k words. But really I'm only done the preliminaries and setting up now and now its time to get into the epic real adventure of our main character without being told what to do by his superiors.

enough time has passed
post your followed stories so we may judge them

https://www.royalroad.com/my/follows

>>24506484

>>24506484
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/116627/the-long-journey-with-a-dragon-girl-in-a-foreign
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/114733/narlokan-chronicles
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/42876/how-the-stars-turned-red-slow-sci-fi-space-opera
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/111615/enjashek
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/112061/a-fall-to-greater-heights
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/59168/the-undercurrent-saga-hard-sci-fi-space-epic-5
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/22868/after-moses

i want to publish my writings but they all contain the nigger word among racist tropes against blacks, latinos, asians, muslisms, indians, and whites, as well as homophobia, anti communism, anti feminism, gruesome depictions of infanticide, national socialist imagery, misanthropy and antinatalism what is the website to do so? Can i profit at all? It is not fetish content.

>>24506515
Substack

>>24506515
what's your power system?

>>24506515
This might sound retarded, but your only option is to shitpost on twitter to gain attention from people who are likely to enjoy that kind of thing, then try to funnel them to a paywalled substack like the other guy said, where you have all your work.

>>24506489
right

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/104194/silent-dao-sovereign-xianxia-cultivation

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/104561/for-the-glory-of-rome-chronicles-of-an-isekaid

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/107252/god-of-trash-cultivation-litrpg-from-trash-tier

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/70775/chosen-of-the-endless-one-kingdom-building

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/91781/i-transmigrated-as-a-french-soldier-during-xviiith

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/45331/horizon-of-war-slowburn-medieval-fantasy-no-lit

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/82999/from-londoner-to-lord

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/107917/sky-pride

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/99000/breathe-an-isekai-litrpg-cultivation-adventure

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/80107/the-will-of-d-reamers-a-one-piece-fanfic

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/97091/data-driven-daoist-xianxia-litrpg-progression

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/48893/the-dungeon-without-a-system

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/109544/the-art-of-gold-digging

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/101946/boundless-cultivation-isekai-progression-fantasy

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/103454/the-spoken-queens-swarm

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/107354/book-one-completewhat-do-you-mean-im-a-cultivator

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/101220/the-last-roman

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/20920/enlightened-empire
>>24506515
ANON!
THINK OF THE ADVERTISERS ANON!
THE POOR POOR ADVERTISERS ANON!

>>24506527
Clearly it's American Indian Shamanism. You rank up by collecting the scalps of your enemies.

>>24506548
What about ears?
Are you telling me I made this ear necklace for nothing? FUCK!

>>24506559
ear necklaces are for your kids
jawbones for your harem

>>24506527
The trial and error manipulation of infinite symbols that represent everything that exists or could exist in our dimension, which are found in a parallel dimension that contains, exceeds and overlaps with our own.
>>24506534
But i fucking hate twitter.

>>24506535
jesus anon leave some thread space for the rest of us

>>24506631
well... it still is under 2000 characters

>>24506499
>>24506535
these are all /ourguys/ or just misc recommendations?

>>24506663
/ourguys/ in the sense its our picks, but I know at least one of the authors posts here

>>24506663
FFF class was an anon's. Don't think any of the other fics in my follow are from /wng//wg/.

>>24506366
sounds like a cool idea.

should probably relate your character to what you're feeling now as well once he's truly on his own and with no guidance or schedule to adhere to now.

This thread seems active enough that maybe someone should throw together an excel sheet of all RR anons and their works

>>24506991
Well, I mean, it's right over there in /wg/... so yeah. But that was over like a 5 year period though and probably wasn't updated in a very long time.

>>24504003
i was procrastinating and made you a cover
here's the .psd as well in case you wanted to play around with it. i deliberately made it in photopea with google fonts exclusively so you shouldn't run into any legal or technical problems
https://files.catbox.moe/18e9xl.psd
i'm unhappy with the way "KINO-MAN" looks but i honestly couldn't find a typeface that made it look cohesive and aesthetically pleasing so i'm giving up and calling this act of charity done.

>>24506995
oh wait, i left a placeholder layer visible. my bad

to keep this more on topic, what does /wng/ feel about pen names? for better or for worse, i feel like the online handle/username type is a big part of the scene

>>24506995
>>24507017
Holy Kino, anon.
I'm going to use your pic, and if I ever get famous one day, I'll kick George R. R. Martin's ass in your honor!

Which site should I slop my ensemble cast space opera onto?

>>24507031
all of them except webnovel

>>24507031
>>24507035

>>24507017
>>24506995
heyyyy that's pretty good
amazing what even basic photoshop acquaintance will do
>what does /wng/ feel about pen names?
I think it's based. there's a latent pressure to conform to the tradpub industry by using a professional sounding pen name, and that using an online handle is juvenile, but sloppers don't give a fuck and embrace it

>>24506991
a bin would be appropriate
rentry is always nice

>>24507031
Don't do it, you'll distract from my ensemble cast space opera.

>>24507027
I like your cover as well. dont know how to photo bash but I made an anime version for my own headcanon since I'm procrastinating my own writing right now.

>>24506991
This shit is exactly why I won't post my own story here.

>>24507143
why though? any publicity is good publicity anon. can't be beggars when we're starting.

>>24507060
Give yourself some credit.
>>24507035
How so?

>>24507237
refer to
>>24505288

>>24506122
it took me 3 months to fix stuff last time.
I started this one with 2~ weeks of buffer and ran out and failed to upload anything this week.
i am mentally unwell.

>>24507378
it's more of finding your limits with making an output than being mentally unwell.

the fact that you're aware that you tire is already a step ahead.

finding a proper routine for you to avoid burning out, well that's up for experimenting on your end.

>nobody followed my story
ngmi

>>24507170
the publicity of 4ch is not the kind of thing any sane author would seek.

>>24507452
post it and I will

>>24507452
If you post it I'll follow, I don't bite

>>24507454
posted it 3 or 4 times in these threads if people don't care they don't care and that's alright.

>>24507452
Just keep writing, even my badly written short story got 5 followers.
No matter what you write, someone, somewhere, sometime may enjoy it.

>>24507452
>get 7 followers on short story
>story finished and set it as completed
>got one more follower after it finished
>no favorites
sheer bewilderment

>>24507463
I WANT to read your story
give me as much as you give your indifference and let me at your writing

>>24507469
You did good, but not great? IIRC average follower to favorite conversion is 10 to 1.

>>24507471
i assume that you have already looked at it and dismissed it
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/63818/the-crow-and-the-rabbit

>>24507484
>no patreon
ngmi

>>24507495
i just want to share what i write. I do not need money from it. (i do need money)

>>24507484
oh shit I've been meaning to catch you
I loved it actually
if you give me some time (writing) I'll tell you my thoughts

>>24507484
>grim fantasy
despite being a nihilist, I only read happy endings and cliche writings to soothe my bitter heart so I'll pass.

I do like your character so I'll molest her in my head.

>>24507484
>female protagonist
ngmi
>>24507517
i agree with anon though
let us spitroast her

>>24507484
>Not one but THREE female protags
Yeah I'm good

>>24507517
at least fix the hair color before you take her

>>24507520
>>24507540
bruh

For anons that use AI for covers, what do you recommend to use?
I heard NovelAI is still the best paid one, but what about an offline one?

>>24507517
>despite being a nihilist, I only read happy endings and cliche writings to soothe my bitter heart so I'll pass.
Frankly it's unforgivable to have a long story without a happy ending. I'm very sensitive so reading people struggle is hard, and I NEED catharsis.

>>24507561
Midjourney, but i need to gatekeep the methods for good covers...

>>24507561
i think most people are using chatgpt since it does the typography easily as well, and it's free

>>24507561
What I did was I pasted a chapter into chatgpt and asked it to generate an image based on it, sort of works well. only 2 tries per day though but you can kinda cheese it with revisions, so you get at least 2-3 images thu that. didn't end up using any of mine like pic related in the end since I was lucky to re-use an art piece a friend of mine did for me years ago

>find a cool story
>read all of it
>stops abruptly, author says they are going on a break
>4 months later they release one chapter
>9 months later finish "part 1" of the story and say they won't write part 2
i'll kill myself and haunt this man

>>24507630
haha yeah, i totally have not stopped a project like that before, definitely not...

>>24507630
couldn't be me hha...

>>24507484
I'm the anon who asked for sincere slop. I quite liked your piece
MC-chan (im garbage with names) is a charming character. the way that her development is like a coming-of-consciousness story as she comes out of a rage fugue is compelling. I like that she's dumb as hell. that her stupidity quickly lends way to introspection and questioning is fun, I lamented that this part of her character was pushed so strongly but then fell off. there's a thin line being tread between her as a passive protagonist and her decisions leading to changing circumstances, and I think what delineates the two is if her motivations are signaled to the reader. I love how brisk the pace is and how you move from storyline to storyline. it's refreshing. adds this quality of adventure that is sorely lacking from most slop. however, when MC-chan gets swept along by circumstances and external events too often, it feels like Things Just Happen.tm which uproots my investment. the way that the story is always on the go, moving through phases, reminds me of flaubert, might be something to learn there. I adore the regular presence of death and tragedy. the suddenness and the way the narrative doesn't mire in it all gives the tone a pleasant moroseness. space is there to explore hopeful themes
the romances are kinda cute. I like that her and the tall family woman (again, names) both felt feral. this impression is heightened by the language barrier between them. MC-chan's romance with the osteoporotic twigboy dweeb had some charm. romance between an impulsive idiot and an intellectual who inspires to think has sauce. loved the tragedy with the princess. that MC-chan is a polyamorous is unnerving to my tradfag brain but it's offset by the other character's romance
the bureaucrat woman's PoV sections were alright. I find her as a character uninteresting, but her stories and arcs were fun and engaging. the contents of her character as presented in different parts of the story feel disjointed. at the beginning she has this mysterious mentor thing, and I don't get the sense that this is dispelled and she's humanized, but rather that it's forgotten. then you get themes of romanticism and devotion. then you get themes of family and heritage. these elements don't seem to communicate with each other, which leaves her character feeling confused, and me as a reader disengaged
you
the jaded widow/ex-bandit is a cool guy and I liked the guerilla warfare arc. your ANs were all so limp wristed and ashamed of it but I thought it was fun. the manipulative whore turned scheming tactician, the ruthless bandit-cum-soldier, the mercenary band of gladiators. this group of irregulars is charming. I especially liked the scene when he teaches the stupid idiot elves how to grieve
cont...

>>24507630
Like 70% of the things I read abruptly end after a completely consistent upload schedule by chapter 50-70 for no discernible reason

>>24507637
cont.
I like how the story has a nuanced take on justice, neither advocating utter pacifism nor king solomon'ing through all infractions. the knights of resh are just cool as fuck and make my brain light up the way good fantasy is meant to do
it's felt like in the more recent chapters that the story is coming a bit loose at the seams, with less clear integration of the themes. a shame because this guiding principle of justice and how different people and institutions navigate uncertainty of purpose, which permeates the story, is one I've enjoyed
I wanted to ask: how much of this is sincere and how much of it is designed for engagement? female written slop (and slop written for females) so often star a female protagonist with a special heritage (usually elvish) with total daddy issues and you've got such an on the nose example of this that it's hard not to roll my eyes at it. but if it is sincere, I'm curious what motivated the character writing, and what you think is the common intention that informs these kinds of characters

>>24507560
:(
>>24507561
I just download illustrious models from civitai and use stable diffusion locally with forgeui as my interface.

you can just pay for online use but I'm a cheapskate and usually, you only really spend for flux desu.

>>24507647
do not post persona characters here

>>24507637
>>24507646
Thank you for the feedback! It means a lot.
I agree that Linara's character arc is confusing because I did rewrite a lot of it between her initial appearance and the second book. The original plan was really stupid but had more consistency. When I'm done I'll probably redo a lot of her parts(again) due to what you said.
The guerilla warfare side story I had a lot of fun writing but I had no idea if it was any good or not. I'm glad you liked it.

>how much of this is sincere and how much of it is designed for engagement?
it is entirely sincere. I grew up with a lot of parental issues myself and general anger at the world. I judge other people harshly(and it has gotten me in a lot of trouble in the past) and I'm very unforgiving towards myself. I wanted to capture the feeling of self-hatred.
The character is an elf because I have have a fetish(hence the ear nibbling scene), however after reading a lot of fantasy novels I got bored with the idea of them as perfect beings and just wanted to make them fucked up while retaining properties of immortality. It also allowed me to give the character another reason to feel that she doesn't fit in no matter where she goes which is something else I've struggled with.
I made them tall because I thought it would be cool.

>>24507666
>I made them tall because I thought it would be cool.
based
make the occasional post here and there. if I'm caught up on your story and see your post I'd love to share the odd thought here or there
keep writing and keep putting your heart into it. you've got at least one person who recognizes, appreciates, and enjoys it

also I'll leave a review and do the algo stuff at some point. just haven't bothered

>>24507452
FFF-Class Author here, I did it!

>>24507737
>shameless networking
get that bag gurl

any writers here that at least get pocket money from writing?

how does it feel to be a billionaire now?

>>24507561
>what about an offline one
there's multiple whole /g/ threads full of anons autistically fiddling with all the dials (>>>g/ldg/ and >>>/g/sdg/
there are a lot of different models and loras you can use depending on whether you want an illustration, realistic, anime, 3dcg style etc
for offline image gen you really need a gaming gpu with enough VRAM though

>>24507737
speaking of networking I'll drop a review for you sometime this week since your first section is fully finished.

>>24507808
>inb4 1 star in all fields.
Joke aside, you're a good anon. How many chapters of your story should I read before writing a review?

>>24507517
upon further contemplation; does taking my character without actually reading the story make you a secondary? Is having secondary fans a milestone?

>>24507824
that is entirely up to you. I just wanted to make sure I had a proper understanding of the direction of yours before I wrote something that made me look stupid.

>>24507869
>I had a proper understanding of the direction of yours before I wrote something that made me look stupid
My point. In those 18 chapters of my introduction, I kind of lay out everything the reader should expect later on.
> Massive worldbuilding
>MC fighting beings stronger than him and winning in unconventional ways.
>A different protagonist for each arc
>Etc...

So, in your story, at which chapter does it finally mature into a concrete vision?

>>24507890
i guess the end of chapter 5 is a good place? There isn't really a definitive line where everything is laid out the same way, it sort of just goes. Chapter 5/6 show some of the larger things lurking behind the scenes that give more depth to the world.

>>24507897
Ok, stay tuned!!!

>>24506013
I post my work and then you tell me how it's shit and anyone could write as many words in a day if they gave up all critical thinking and quality control the way I've clearly done, and then I'll feel really stupid after four rounds of editing and years of whipping myself to do better. No thanks.

>>24507897
LOVE YOU, BRO!
Your review helped me jump under 20k in the ranking.
I also think it was pretty fair, and it was genuinely fun seeing someone else’s take on my story, someone who isn’t in my head and doesn’t already know everything.

Just for the sake of discussion, what’s your favorite character, chapter, and worldbuilding piece?

>>24502627 (OP)
Do the sloppers trying to normalise the AI content label on RR realise that they're helping prepare the ground for putting themselves out of a job? I realise most of them are ESLs who wouldn't be able to write shit without it regardless, but how will they feed their 8 children in a Bangalore slum when LLM tech reaches the point where RR can just have an API that generates you a coherent story for a set fee of a few bucks?

>bipolar
>only feel creative when I have manic episodes
>they only happen once every few months
it's fucking over.

>>24508283
>Why do browns have poor time preference

I know this might be obvious to people here but I finally had the epiphany that the first draft is supposed to be shit because you're just testing the waters with plot and ideas and flexing an as-of-yet unused muscle, finally ready to stop procrastinating and start this

>>24508320
>alcoholic
>only feel creative for a 24 hour period two to three days into being sober
>need to spend several weeks drunk in between flurries of work

>>24508320
You need drugs.
>>24508474
You need a different drug.

>sperg
>surprisingly able to write semi-consistently
>but only either in anticipation of validation or through writing
>the first 300 or so words are excruciatingly dull to write
>everything else is easy and even fun
How do I consistently get through my first 300 words or so?

>>24508516
Do it blindfolded

>>24508283
I do it because it's fun to write and I don't want to pretend like I write high art. I like writing slop

>>24508283
be the counter vector to this push and tell people to use the global filter

Shameless self-promotion

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/118792/shattered-pantheon

I've been getting getting into fleshing out the world, but I made the mistake of glossing over things early on out of fear of too much exposition scaring off readers. Lack of feedback, good or bad, is starting to drain my motivation though.

Give me your thoughts. I'd like to improve sooner rather than later.

>>24508916

>>24508916
FFF-Class author here.
I'm going to read yours after I finish rereading the Crow and the Rabbit for the review.
Probably next week, I guess.

>>24507138
Oh, I almost missed this post.Is it already out on Royal Road?
The cover looks really cool, and if it's about the Middle Ages, I might help you with how the Holy Roman Empire's economy worked.

>>24508821
You're not writing anything rakesh

>>24508916
I'm not the target audience so I won't give misinformed specific feedback on your narrative and worldbuilding or whatever but I had a few thoughts on presentation which might still be helpful.

Writing for the RR isekai progression litrpg meta is a safe option in theory since there's apparently an insatiable audience for it but there's so much on offer already. Forget fish in big versus small pond analogies — you're a microscopic organism in the ocean. Proactively and overtly differentiating yourself from all the countless other isekai progfan litrpgs is tough but absolutely crucial and at a glance, I don't think you've even made an attempt. Your blurb and cover are heinously generic. I don't see any reason to read your work over someone else's. This isn't about originality (which is overrated) but IDENTITY. If the forest nature spirit/druid vibes in your image (and the stag skull in your cover?) are a big deal, then highlight that. Just spitballing here but maybe there's a nature vs society/tradition vs technological progress angle like Princess Mononoke that you can take advantage of

Strange question... has anyone in this thread ever actually made it?
I never wrote a webnovel so I don't even know what makes one successful.

>>24509221
a /wg/ger wrote Trailer Trash and is doing good

>>24509221
yes, me
>>24509233
i haven't seen 64 in forever even in wg, doubt he's here

>>24509233
Literally who?
>>24509258
Literally who?

>>24509263
>literally who?
anon literally gave the title, dork

>>24509267
Yes sorry that googling "Trailer Trash webnovel" leads to a wikipedia about poor white americans.

>>24509233
Didn't he also have a web novel about a bunch of degenerates at a pop culture convention?

>>24509280
interesting, it returns a whole page of google results for trailer trash the web novel for me.

your problem solving skills are poor

>>24509217
Thanks for that. Blurbs/synopses have always been my weakness. The one you see there has been changed completely twice already, and I still hate it. I'll have a crack at it from a different angle, taking your suggestions to heart.

As for the cover, any suggestions? I went for something simple and muted because I felt going for the bombastic, explosive art I always see on RR was overdone, and therefore I wouldn’t stand out. Ironically, it looks like that approach might be better if others agree with you.

>>24509150
Thanks, likewise I will check yours out, likely in a couple of days.

>>24509280
>search it
>he has a webcomic
lol
good for him
I wonder how much it costs to hire an artist for something like this

>>24507027
Glad you like it! Good luck

>>24507053
Thanks fren, just some basic editing tricks and hobbyist-level understanding of typography

>online handle
>embrace it
I agree, it's a cool nod to online culture. Interestingly, for linguistic and cultural reasons, East Asia have always been quite accepting of pen names of that ilk (e.g. I Eat Tomatoes, Cuttlefish That Loves Diving, etc) both in and out of the web serial/novel community. There's even that Japanese video game director Suda51

>>24509302
>cover, any suggestions
I might be able to help. What's your story actually about? Simple and muted isn't inherently bad but your current cover really has no identity or defining characteristics. That AI gen you posted might even be a better starting point considering the genre and presumed target audience

Am I fucking myself if I just slop unplanned first draft bullshit into RR based on stuff written on my phone?

>>24509221
Picrel is a /lit/ anon, he posted about it in /sffg/ a few times. He got a kindle unlimited deal so that's gotta be some level of successful.

since the topic of covers and cover design has come out, check out my last cover
I abandoned the story but I liked this cover

>>24509309
Artist costs are one thing. Actually working with the artist another.

>>24509491
>He got a kindle unlimited deal so that's gotta be some level of successful.
>kindle unlimited deal
lol anon this is just a button you click when self publishing
but akaso did get a moonquill publishing deal if that's what you meant

>>24509502
>lol anon this is just a button you click when self publishing
Oh really? I thought they had to come to you and ask you to sign a contract, and that's why everything with KU ended up with stub books on royalroad

>>24509527
stubs are bc ku requires exclusivity. anyone can do it though

>>24509495
I like it :)

>mystery 1 star rating got removed
>ranking restored
Feels good man. Although I don't know why someone would do that in the first place. Must have been some script kiddy.

>>24508235
Gravedigger is the character I am most eager to see more of but that is a combination of how clearly messed up his stuff is and that the extent of it has been more revealed than the others.

>>24508202
huh?

I'm a newfag here so I legitimately just wanted to see other anon's works here so I can at least support...

>>24510011
Many authors have a hard time taking critique/criticism of their work. It makes sense: if you put ten hours into something and post it on 4chan and someone takes five minutes to read it and calls it shit, that'd make anyone feel bad.

Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that the ten hour four time edited draft chapter one doesn't still suck, it just means some people have a hard time taking the useful critiques and leaving the general harsh criticisms.

If you want to support give the Crow and Rabbit and the FFF-Rank unlucky adventurer guys a follow and read their stuff and review.

Welp shitty cover slopped up guess we're committed now.

>>24510049
I think people want to discuss in the discussion forum and not just be a +1 on the dashboard

>>24509491
I remember this little nigga, he was constantly spamming his slop on /sffg/ and /wg/

>>24510049
>read and follow FFF-class guy
Out of all the anons who post their work you just had to choose the most annoying one

>>24510204
his writing kinda sucks too
crow-anon has heart though. looking forward to expand my library of /wng/ stories

>>24510204
Not even close, there's that one chick who writes her posts stream of conscious style. With the snowstorm story.

deleted an old fic of mine I dropped some time ago. I feel more at peace now.

>>24510240
been there

>>24510218
>>24510229
That "chick" you mentioned also derailed an entire thread just because "she" can't accept criticism?

>>24502627 (OP)
test

>>24510310
It's a boy

>>24510310
I just heard the news, congratulations

Whelp, getting to the point of ordering a proof copy from Amazon KDP only took... three days longer than I expected it to. Holy shit I hate editing and proofreading. Gremlins must have been adding mistakes to my book ;_;

Lessons learned:
gutter margins are a thing and they're awesome
convert to pdf before uploading manuscript so KDP doesn't fuck up the page numbering / table of contents
librewriter has a bug with TOC not respecting margins if mirrored margins are used, so you have to update the TOC index with identical width margins on a non-mirrored page style, then switch to mirrored, and it will retain the width. Updating the index after that point will make it fuck up again
the royalty scheme on amazon sucks: they take their printing costs out of the author's royalties (at least for print)

all that remains on my to-do list is to finalize my epub and make a new RR ad with my new cover art.

Overall I started this process on Friday the 27th so anyone thinking of doing this should estimate at least a week's worth of effort, especially if you can't focus on it literally all day every day until it's done.

is there a full list of stories written by (current) people here?

>>24510655
Not yet, but there's a rough list on /wg/'s op over a 5 year period. Could use that until people drop theirs and we form our own. Not sure what sort of precedent we should do for what's essentially shameless shilling but regardless here's mine https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/117925/the-yellow-typhoon-and-the-final-waltz

>>24510661
I saw this one on my read later list and wasn't sure if it was from here or not since it was something I would have been interested in anyway, which is actually what prompted the question.
I believe this one is also from here:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/93931/born-under-a-black-sun

>>24510661
>a completed work
masaka!?

>>24510682
it is from here, I saw this guy asking which cover was better at the /wg/ threads at /tg/ iirc

>>24510710
Close.
>>24503803

>>24506515
Make it fantasy and you'll get away with it.

>>24510204
I admit I might be a little too eccentric, but I'm a great poster.

>>24510218
Post yours and tell me why you're better.
Spoiler warning---you aren't. Call me when you've introduced more than 40 characters in a single chapter.

>>24509995
Bad news for you Since I gave Dersek so much space at the start, he's going to be downplayed a bit from now on, giving more room to Oshira and Carmen.

That said, he's going to have a kino scene in the final chapter of this book.

>>24510011
>>24510049
I can take criticism, but posting work in connection to an argument about writing speed and quality is only asking for a smackdown. Nothing good can come out of that.

Anyone know why Azrie vanished off RR? Author of Amber the Cursed Berserker, just updated 2 days ago, now doesn't exist on the website at all.

>>24510942
I don't know but the options are:

>Troon melty after a meanie comment
>Some grifter house offered a "legitimate publishing contract" in exchange for exclusivity
Probably not the latter since it's already at Amazon.

>>24510432
You did print it out at home once yourself before sending it to the printer, right?

>>24510942
As mentioned above the author may have published under a KU deal for exclusivity

>>24510655
Compilation of works I've seen posted so far (by what I remember, didn't write it down):
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/90003/city-of-flies
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/93931/born-under-a-black-sun
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/99616/superflux
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/117925/the-yellow-typhoon-and-the-final-waltz
+ Two stories that got posted then deleted
+ One cape story I can't remember the name, I think.

>>24511108
Forgot this one:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/63818/the-crow-and-the-rabbit
Also has a less serious Uma Musume story (?)

>>24511108
>>24511112
Thanks, I'm going to obsessively stalk all of these authors now and randomly accuse posters of being them in the thread

>>24511096
>>24511003
The author has vanished from RR entirely, account is gone, other novels they wrote are gone too.

>>24511141
sounds like a drama melty then

>>24511145
Wouldn't we know then? Especially since it happened literally a day ago.

>>24511117
no, YOU are the author

>>24511180
Anon, think for yourself. Why does a moderately successful, flagrantly narcissistic person nuke their account? There really aren't a lot of options.
>uooohhh user support, I received a comment suggesting my litrpg slop is anything less than a work of genius, mods clean this shit up right now!
>We're sorry, sir/ma'am/xer/xey, no rules have been broken, this comment was within lines of reason
>Dear xitter, I have as of this day, removed my works from this tyrannical platform where fascism and intolerance run rampant, now excuse me as I will spend the next six hours crying in the bath tub and slashing my wrists
>Oh dear author, I've just increased my patreon pledge to 500USD, pls feel better!

>>24511192
His comment on the last chapter he uploaded was "don't subscribe to my patreon, it's dead"

>>24511199
Guess he imploded without outside assistance then. I thought he was doing pretty well, since the books at amazon had hundreds of reviews and ranked high. Not that I've read any myself.

>>24511199
>>24511202
Azrie's a woman according to her Amazon bio.
Make of that what you will

Would editing with Grammarly or WordTune qualify for the AI Assisted Tag?

>>24511361
https://www.royalroad.com/blog/57/royal-road-ai-text-policy
>My writing and my voice remained very consistent. Which is why we want to clarify that this type of AI enhancement, or general assistive technology, does not fall under this policy. This will continue to be something that all users on the platform can use, without any sort of restriction or tagging.

>In fact, we encourage using the Grammarly plugin.

>>24511361
Extremism. If anyone says otherwise, he is probably on Fiverr charging 1000$ for proof-reading.

>>24511077
The only reason I even own a printer is hoarding. The ink is long dry and I tell myself I'll use the scanner, even though it sucks. I need to just throw it away.

>>24511365
>>24511364
Based thanks.

>>24509497
Does anyone know how to facilitate working with an artist on something? I have some people in mind I’d like to commission for the cover/a few images within but I have a lot of details I’d want them to get right

>>24511657
It's like working with a therapist. Except you're both client and caregiver.

Too the anon's who recommended me A Practical Guide to Evil a few years ago on /sffg/ I just want to say I hate you. It's fucking shit and lesbians lesbians and more lesbians.

>>24511723
nah apgte is great

>>24511108
>superflux
sad fate.
anon pivoted away from his vision multiple times because commenters didn't like the direction and he listened to them too easily, and ended up aimless and lost

sometimes you've gotta know when to ignore negative comments and stick to your guns

>>24511693
lmao kinda

>>24511657
I just got done with commissioning a cover, which took a month to produce, a lot of money, and there was a lot of back and forth. It depends on the artist, obviously, but the one I worked with liked the detailed feedback and direction, although at times I felt uncomfortable continuously going back and forth with "no, do it like THIS, change this to this, make it like this, etc." However, the end result IS what I wanted, and I think it turned out good. I got a couple cover variations, typeset title, and the raw files which I edited down to make an ad for RR.

I also started with an AI generated mockup, which the artist wasn't thrilled about, but we quickly moved past that. YMMV, but without the mockup it would have been REALLY hard to convey what I generally wanted in terms of character pose and the point of view / frame I wanted.

Now, was it worth doing all this compared to just playing with AI for a couple days? Honestly, I think not. I had overestimated the artist's skill level, which was something we had to overcome together, and it took way longer than taking some AI generated slop and doing touchups to make it look better. AI generated images also don't repel readers/buyers the way you might think.

I don't have the final bill, but just judging by how many hours were spent on back and forth, I'm expecting about half a grand spent, give or take. At least $300. Again, compared to AI and touchups, it's way more expensive for not much gain.

>>24511723
remember to read pale lights, the author's next work, as well

>>24511844
wow. let this be a precautionary tale, lads

>>24511856
post it, let's see the results

>>24511856
>YMMV, but without the mockup it would have been REALLY hard to convey what I generally wanted in terms of character pose and the point of view / frame I wanted.
you could probably have done this mockup as a detail-light mspaint sketch

>>24511844
Yeah that effectively sunk (heh) LOST, Supernatural and most recently the Stormlight Archives.

how do you develop the will to keep your vision free from corruption by your commenters yet also know when there’s a reason why your commenters are complaining?

>>24511895
Stormlight Archives got derailed? I thought BrandoSando outlines his shit 30 arcs and 18 million words in advance?

>>24511924
The plot hard stalled out and the way everyone started going full I HECKIN LOVE SCIENCE-core

>>24511874
I tried, and I sent him that too, but my own art skills were so shit he even admitted without the ai mockup he wouldn't have known what I was trying to explain. We weren't able to meet up in person to work on it which might have helped.

>>24511867
Sorry, too paranoid to link my work to 4chan in the slightest way.

>>24511903
I've already committed to my vision for my current story, so it's too late to change anything now. Feedback I get now will be kept in mind for my next work. It helps that I'm not emotionally married to my current story, since I think it's one of my weaker ideas. So I'm content to fuck up with this one and do better on the next.

>>24511924
The major plot beats are probably the same but kaladin the paladin getting an internet degree in amateur psychology and curing his friends' mental disorders was certainly not in the original plan

What's your endgame? Audiobook? 5 digit Patreon earnings monthly? Anime adaptation? Live action adaptation? Lewds of your supporting cast on Rule34 that you didn't commission?

>>24512023
writing a good story that readers look forward to and think of fondly

>>24512023
Attention and validation

>Caffeine: Consumed
>AC: Arctic
>Bed: Freshly made
>Phone: Charged
Yep.
It's time to produce Literature™. :)

>>24512033
>a pro-social extrinsic motivator
a/s/l?

>>24512023
Have my name go down in history like Tolkien, get the presidential medal of merit, and take my manuscript to mars.
Gotta keep on dreaming.
I just want to have some fun writing.

What legal substances you all get when writing?
My own choice is iced tea
Also you think its better to write while having an empty stomach or a full one?

>>24512023
my goal is to go on a shooting spree and then kill myself at the end and people will research my online history, find my story, and read over it to try and understand my motivations, making it famous.

>>24512054
iced tea as in the soda or iced tea as in tea that you chilled?
in the case of the latter, what tea?

>>24512054
Coffee at most or some chamomile tea (I don't get sleepy when I drink it).
Better just be fed, not too full neither empty.

>>24512023
I'm gonna be honest.
A Fanbase of incredibly loud, obsessive & schizo speds that make the internet a little more deranged & dozens of imitators at least one of whom is genuinely better in every way. I don't even need to make money off this. I just want to build a cultural WMD.

>>24511856
There’s a Korean artist who draws some pretty good shit, and his commissions are like 90 dollars. I was thinking of him although some of his art can be a bit…odd. Still, if I can break through his limited English we might be able to design something great

>>24512061
The undertale route.

>>24512058
packet of store bought iced tea in powder form
whatever is the cheapest
>>24512060
aight im getting a midnight snack
>>24512061
>pic rel
same

second question or request
hit me up with your playlist anons

>>24512068
Usually I write in silence, but have a listen to the soundtrack of FTL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTlMJ95X1b8&list=RDUTlMJ95X1b8&start_radio=1

>>24512048
Not a woman but I DO play one in videogames.

>>24512061
Based and same

>>24511657
If you have an anime style story, you can get into the East Asian commission rabbit hole. Their artists are willing to work for slave wages and I have no doubt I can find a good artist for my cover for under $100 when the time comes.

>>24502637
>Don’t know what happened to the previous thread
I made wng thread with The Apothecary Diaries cover, because it is a web novel. Threads was nuked for it.
Curious incident, not sure what to make of it. But I'm happy this thread has stayed up.

> Arc 1 completed, 850k words in 2 years
> Reader: "How long will this series be?"
> Author: "10-12 Arcs, I plan to finish some time around 2040."
I hope none of you are this autistic. I know webnovels have a tendency to be long but at some point it's too much and puts people off.

>>24512142
Probably some anon or janny was angry because "muh webnovels aren't literature" and looked for any reason to delete the thread, and the Apothecary Diaries, even if a webnovel, is more fitting for /a/.

>>24512145
make this writer your role model. he's got it right

>>24512145
Is the series any good?

would making a continually growing collage of covers by /ourguys/ for the OP be corny?

>>24512197
yes but it'd be a fun kind of corny

>>24512182
It has good elements but certainly the whole is not good enough to justify the word count. The story has *severe* pacing issues and the author has a habit of repeating the same information multiple times from different PoV's.

>>24512197
if you're gonna do that you should take by submission so you don't rattle some shy or schizo anon

>>24512023
>5 digit Patreon earnings monthly?
It's this for me. I need a way to explain why I'm not broke to my family even though I'm NEET (I made good investments, but if they know I have a big pile of money, they'll suck me dry. If they think I'm making a grand a month they'll stop asking me when I'm getting a real job)

>>24512046
Based routine

>>24512054
I wake up empty stomach and drink 2-3 energy drinks while I write for about three hours, then I eat lunch. For some reason if I eat first I find it way harder to focus.

I'm sorry, what the fuck did I just find?
>https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/110345/the-beasts-of-war-epic-dieselpunkfantasy-action-adventure

>>24512063
>and his commissions are like 90 dollars
Be careful of that, make sure ahead of time you get to provide input during the creative process. Sometimes popular artists sell commissions, but you just get to send them a prompt and then you get what they make and that's that.

>>24512205
this desu. dont want the thread to be saged

>>24512221
what's the point you're trying to make?

>>24512245
>Fully illustrated
>Fantasy WW2
>Decent writing
I was literally sifting through trash fanifics in the middle of nowhere and I came across this. Why have I never heard of it?

>>24512259
yknow you can just say you wrote something and share it you don't have to go through these acrobatics

>>24512259
>Why have I never heard of it
none of those things you mentioned are any guarantee of eyeballs

>>24512259
And like good actual art too. Just a lot of polish here. I'm eating good tonight.

>>24512265
>>24512268

Man, I just have a boner for ww2 stuff, I guess.
Wish there was more of it.

>>24512221
just say it's your work bruh. be shameless about it in an honest way.

>>24512330
Nah, I think I'd rather just kill myself than continue living with the cringe I just posted.

>>24512054
Go for a fifteen minute walk or run. You have much more brain activity while exercising, you can literally help with writers block or with new ideas while walking do to increased blood flow to the brain.

Are their any blogs, youtube channels, or social media or whatever that talk about web serials?

>>24512054
Modafinil and noopept as well as NAC, ALCAR and caffeine.

>>24512388
You could be the first!

>>24512145
kek this is literally Katalepsis. "Book 1" was like 25 arcs and lasted 2 mil words. Now there's 2 more """"books"""" to go

this is the appeal of serial though
>but at some point it's too much and puts people off.
TWI is one of the most popular serials and it's at like 18 million words and "about 40% done" or some shit like that

>>24512206
we have a crypto baron here? wtf

>>24512023
What I want most of all is a dedicated fanbase that makes a ton of fanart, fanfictions, fancontent, etc. To the point where its autstic levels of dedication like certain fanbases.

Secondary would probably have people genuinely enjoying my stuff.
Money would be a nice bonus if anything.
Pretty much an amalgamation of what other anons have said. Unlikely I'll achieve that level, but I'd be more than happy if a group of people just actively read and review my stuff.

>>24512488
I feel like TWI is the exception rather than the rule. Very few series can justify being that size, especially at the pace most authors can handle.

this is turning out to be a comfy general

>>24512491
Not quite that rich. I'm in that uncomfortable spot where I have enough not to need to work, and if I'm smart with it, not need to work for the rest of my life, but not enough to be generous to anyone else. Alternatively I could easily give it away to family, cause a bunch of problems in their lives, run out of money, and be despised for it. So I've been pretending to be scumbagging my way through life begging and mooching off friends/strangers abroad.

I'm testing the waters to see if anyone will actually track my success as an author; if nobody bothers to check if I'm actually successful or not, I'll pseudo-launder my money through that. "Oh yeah, I got a big patreon donation, or I sold a bunch of books this month but that means next month's gonna be tight." Something like that.

>>24512519
Really? When I think "successful serial" they're almost all titanic never-ending stories of 5+ mil words. Primal Hunter. Defiance of the Fall. The Wandering Inn. He Who Fights With Monsters.
Which big serials are you thinking off that aren't absurdly long?

>>24512519
???

>>24512551
I agree those series can justify their word count, filler is kept to a minimum, though some I could argue became inflated due to their success rather than that was the original plan. It's series like Super Supportive and the already mentioned Katalepsis that irk me somewhat, maybe I'm just not a fan of those super slow stories.

>>24512551
Azarinth Healer ended and BTDEM is ending 'soon.'

Obviously it's easier to drag out a successful serial than to end it and start a new one, though. Like I have no idea what Rhaegar is doing and I'm sure Selkie's next work is going to be total shit given how BTDEM fell off quality-wise.

>>24512579
> given how BTDEM fell off quality-wise.
A clear case of the author falling out of love with a series but it pays the bills.

>>24512579
whether they ended doesn't reallyyy matter to the discussion, you said people get tired of long serials. if BTDEM or AH kept going, people would undoubtedly keep reading them for as long as new chaps got pumped out, same as is happening with PH HWFWM etc

>>24512579
>I'm sure Selkie's next work is going to be total shit given how BTDEM fell off quality-wise.
I would expect it to be better because of what >>24512590 said and also the fact he knows wtf he's doing now and won't reset the entire series a few books in, lmao

could be he's reached total writing burnout. I kinda assumed it was just current-series burnout.

>>24512599
I didn't say that, I'm a different anon.

>>24512590
>>24512610
Well he wants to write gay slice of life magic fantasy, but it's not compelling. He's afraid to write any kind of actual drama around the romantic relationship, which makes the entire thing stale and he's basically lobotomized BOTH his main characters at this point. And he's already announced he wants to do a magic academy setting which will probably just make it all worse.

It's not just that he's bored with this setting and characters. He could have shaved off five books of nothing and condensed the actual story down to the interesting/good bits pretty easily. But he padded it out with chapters he wanted to write instead, to the story's detriment. And his readership throws money at him so he just cruises along. But I have a feeling he's going to fall off hard when BTDEM ends and people start reading his new stuff and none of it is compelling.

>>24512671
have you considered that it's not for you
the current reader base in all likely hood doesn't want drama

>>24512671
>And he's already announced he wants to do a magic academy setting which will probably just make it all worse.
it's not your preferred flavor of trash but I don't mind it and clearly tons of other people like that setting too
>But I have a feeling he's going to fall off hard when BTDEM ends and people start reading his new stuff and none of it is compelling.
Considering his sheer success it would be strange if his next story does better. That's almost always the case with authors. Think about it:
APGTE -> Pale Lights
Worm -> Pact/Ward/Twig
MoL -> Zenith
When I think of break-out first-timer success stories, the follow up series always perform worse. It's hard to capture magic twice. The only exception tends to be authors who keep chugging at it and on like their 5th story manage a homerun again.

Am I correct in assuming that WNs are by necessity orthogonal to potboilers in terms of pacing despite being identical in terms of content?
Moorcock essentially preached lightening quick, ultra-crisp pacing and Sanderson advocates for the same.

>>24512699
It's certainly possible but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

>>24512723
>it's not your preferred flavor of trash but I don't mind it and clearly tons of other people like that setting too
Oh, no, the setting is fun. I like quite a few stories set in such settings, like
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/117219/the-exchange-teacher-welcome-to-dyntril-academy
I've just lost faith in Selkie to actually write a story with narrative tension and a sensible pace.
>That's almost always the case with authors. Think about it:
True, but the Blue Core / Paranoid Mage guy kept chugging along.

I guess I have to cop to feeling immensely disappointed with how BTDEM turned out after following it since book 4 was being posted.

>>24512758
Blue core filtered people with all the weird tentacle pseudo rape, of course his next work performed better by comparison

>>24512794
Funny, I only picked it up for the tentacle sex.

>>24512794
It's like, one time that it's actually non-consensual, before the dungeon core can communicate. But even all that aside, Paranoid Mage was better written and much better and more tightly paced than Blue Core was.

>>24512590
i know most of the readerbase hated the timeskip but she said she planned that from the beginning, or were there other problems with the later volumes too?
I've only read the first three books so far

Is hfy a dead genre? I have some ideas in my head to start writing a hfy-esque WN story but I'm kinda afraid the hfy tag will scare people off. It's such a fucking rarity to find good hfy works nowadays that aren't military slop or masturbatory intergallactic cock-measuring contests and I feel that people are starting to catch on.

to be fair blue core wasn't a 'major success' in literally any metric. the discussion was about actual extremely-well-regarded titans like mol apgte and worm

>>24512807
if you're part of the demographic and read hfy, and see a gap in the market, it's quite likely you can be the next big break out story by finally writing what people wanted

>>24512807
Two problems
1) Content farm tts channels are scraping/genning the fuck outta hfy and spamming it on YT
2) it's getting some major cultural pushback

I hink you're best served doing it in a contemporary mystic/religious apocalypse type framework since compared to Dunking on aliens or standard fantasy races that's still pretty fresh.

>>24512806
The timeskip served no purpose and is incredibly jarring. All that time spent building up the country, politics, and general setting and of course the characters and *boom*, it's all gone and become meaningless. Afterwards I just quickly lost interest in the new story and dropped it.

>>24512828
Yeah i can see the problems with that but I dont understand why anon says it's "an author falling out of love with a series but it pays the bills"

>>24511657
If you can manage the money get someone professional. As in a person who has done actual contracted work beyond fan art and vanity commissions.

>>24512831
After the jump it's just a repetitive rehash. The general consensus is that the writing takes a marked drop in quality after the reset.

>>24512807
I guess it was always a bit of human wankery, most of what I've read is trash or just power wank on a species scale.
If I were you, I would just tag it as sci-fi, but don't make humans special/overpowered/solvers of everything.
btw, read Chysalis, very good story that has humans as the genociders rather than saviours without going too much into human wankery.

>>24512806
The problem is that all tension stops existing after the timeskip. Elaine and her squad and Iona are just overpowered for where they wind up, and then they spend two books in a protected magical school the height of which is a tournament with no stakes. After getting her obligatory backpat, they waltz across the world to a country looking for an old immortal friend, and there's exactly one chapter with any tension, that ends in a really boring way that utterly deflates any future tension as well to have a boring relationship from then on.

There's a war arc with no tension, but a bit of aura farming, and then everyone returns home to mope about for a century. This then builds up to the long heralded immortal war, which takes place in about six chapters, with no real tension or threat to Elaine, and then there's maybe twenty chapters of village building. There's a demon lord vs fascist elves arc, where Elaine and co play mild saboteur, again, at no threat to Elaine, and now we're caught up.

The problem is that there's no stakes even though all this stuff that should have been cool is happening. Nothing like the plague town, or the Formorian war, or the battle against the bodyjackers. And actual relationship drama isn't permitted either, except at the edges: Iona and her apprentic valkyrie have a spat that's somewhat touching. But Iona's free spirited sleeping around ends the second Elaine says it gives her the ick, because that's how relationshps work, and they never really have any disputes ever again. It just makes me think Selkie is scared to write character conflicts unless one side is objectively, clearly in the wrong and everyone agrees about it.

>>24512224
https://www.instagram.com/mossacannibalism/
This is the guy. Here’s what he has about commissions on his Twitter

>>24512746
Well, I was hoping someone else that has read more could answer but so far no one did, so I'm giving you my thoughts.
Pacing varies and it's not something that depends on the format, for example, I've been reading Rend and half of the arcs are establishing the characters, situation, powers and the other half is action, so a slow-er pacing.
Isekai Occultist on the other hand, has the character always doing something to progress.
Blue Core spends many chapters doing nothing beyond explaining the situation characters find themselves inside Blue, or just Blue messing around with his powers with no apparent rush towards a conclusion.
My guess is that it depends on the writer, some can stretch stuff, other need quick pacing to fill the story.

>>24512867
Yeah you can send him a DM asking if he'd be willing to make a cover with your input, but if it were me, I'd expect him to want more than just the advertised $90 if he's going to be doing multiple revisions to align with your vision. Still, can't hurt to ask.

>>24512823
>Content farm tts channels are scraping/genning the fuck outta hfy and spamming it on YT
One of the things I'm afraid of. Probably won't tag it with hfy despite taking a lot of inspiration from it.
>>24512846
It would probably be more apt to describe the idea as more of an "humans are space orcs" story, as that human wankery you described is precisely why I've lost interrest in the genre, despite now wanting to write my own. There was this idea that came out of the blue to differentiate humans with other aliens that kinda hit the mark for me. I'll see what I can do with it once I start writing.

>>24512902
Man don't worry if some fad is passing or if "the market" has turned against something. If you want to write something, just write it. Quality will shine through.

>>24512907
You know what? Fuck it. You're absolutely right. I'm just gonna start writing it.

>>24512978
the unconquerable spirit of man shines through this one

>>24512054
Been taking picrelated since end of May. Blazed through my short story outline while taking two daily and managed to finish the draft itself then publish it in about a few weeks time. I suffer from extreme daily anxiety so it's been doing wonders (extreme intrusive thoughts still bleed through so it's not a total wonder drug). I used to vape but I'm been actively cold turkeying it since I was abusing it often throughout the day daily—had cluster migranes last week because of it but it's finally been subsiding. I drink coffee time to time but also trying to tone it down to some success. In the past used to drink like 5 cups a day but I did pretty well on my new years resolutions to cut it to 1, 2 if i can help it. Ashwa is great though, you can probably get it at any CVS or drugstore section at a supermarket. Highly recommend it from my 2 1/2 months on it so far. Just a fair warning there's no long-term analyis on it so somewhere down the line there ay be thryoid health problems and it can be toxic for your liver. From other reviews online I read it's like a milder form of Xanax but you don't have to go through any legal loops to acquire it—over the counter, so to speak. Apparently from the reviews I read the formula they have when you buy it online is different than what's on physical store shelves, so if you can get it in person or delivered from your store directly.

>>24512867
>>24512881
>>24512224
>>24512063
I commissioned him a couple times in the past. He's incredible, but he tends to take liberties sometimes with commissions. I actually don't think he does commissions anymore so truth of the matter is you may be out of luck these days. Here's a few I had from him for the novel I since took down.

one of the ones he took "liberties" on, I never did use it for obvious reasons.

>>24513054
Ws it the rather sexy pose or the contorted pile of bodies?

i'm autistic and commission artwork of my characters so I just used one of those that I thought would look good as a cover.

>>24513069
Both, somewhat. It was supposed to be something similar to the cover art for the PS2 game Tau Firewarrior, I had another artist (liskim) convey it more accurately. I never made it that far into the story to use it however.

>>24512978
I'm claiming this as my good deed for the month.

>>24513054
>>24513078
This and Tanya the Evil. There's just something great about psychotic girls slaughtering people on the battlefield.

>>24513078
Oh, I can see the inspiration with this one, guess the artist wanted a more womenly pose?
>>24513084
>Tanya the Evil
Also good covers, though the anime gave her duck lips for some reason.

>>24513086
>for some reason.
The studio didn't want people to lust over her anime design, given that she's basically underage and "evil." It didn't work lol

>>24512145
Everything I write is designed to go on indefinitely. If anything is a hit and I don't get tired of it I could have the same series run for the rest of my life.
In my mind that's one of the draws of writing serially.

>>24512145
based serialauthorchad

bake the new thread for master, my kittens