Don't know if this doesn't belong here or not, but this game is as close as I think it gets to a game being actual literature. What it lacks in kinda meh game mechanics, it comes up in spades with the writing. What is /lit/'s thoughts on Disco if they played it. Absolute literature or just me being a dumbass?

>>24505560 (OP)
commieslop

>>24505562
Indeed, but it's not the worst commieslop I've tasted. Hell, it goes out of its way to show the downfalls and repeated failures of Communism in the world of Elysium. Is it much more easier on commies than every other part of the compass? Yeah, but at least they aren't screaming that it'd be a perfect utopia like some books.

>>24505560 (OP)
it doesn't, the writing is bad ESL babble
joseph conrad has a similar style that is often the butt of jokes

>>24505572
>ESL babble
I'm not from around here, so I ask you to please explain what that means.

>>24505575
the writers don't speak english natively, so a lot of the vocabulary and sentence structure is stilted and awkward

>>24505584
Mhm, I see. Still, what about the substance of the words? Isn't that what matters?

>>24505572
as a ESL myself, I love ESL babble, is it really so annoying for EFLs?

>>24505595
EFL here, I personally don't mind it unless it's just alphabet soup. English is a pretty dumb language anyway, a hodgepodge of so many others that I'm surprised it even works. Hell I even find myself fucking it up and it's the only language I know, so who am I to judge?

>>24505572
>>24505584
This ESL babble is part of the setting.
It uses Soviet neologisms on purpose, as well as proverbs that are only used within post-Soviet Union countries.

some of these things are so boomer-tier-Soviet that I realized only my parents were using these proverbs, and I am Russian

>>24505603
As an American, I think I'm missing that critical background when playing the game. I can vaguely gesture to what I think is based in the reality of soviets, But I never lived near or in it.

>>24505599
right, I agree it can be annoying when it’s too nonsensical. but I find it fun when people insert idioms from their own languages into their English sentences, I guess it’s fun to spot those if you know the speaker’s mother tongue.

>>24505606
It's charming in a way, learning about how other people use similes that you never thought of, or what they use to curse each other out.

>>24505560 (OP)
It's shit.
Pure. Undiluted. Estonian born. Shit.
The writing isn't kino at all. It just looks as such in comparison to other video games.
The setting is unique to Westerners who haven't stepped into the Post-Soviet gliphotic and gnostic hell that is Estonia: the country on the border fof the non civilized world: the hinterlands of morality, the flatlands of consciousness. Every time I start thus stupid piece of a game I'm reminded of the dilapitated commie blocks of Tallinn and the crooked creaking steps of Tartu, of the other spiritual, moral, aesthetic, cultural decay billowing in this piece of dry shit land like the sempiternal fog of Silent Hill: an aura of a civilization crumbling, of apathy being reflected in the crazed building and pox marked streets with sores occupied by water so septic it looks black. Living in Estonia is like living in a surreal ketamine k-hole between waking and death. You know there's some real substantial world somewhere, where people actually care about each other and are willing to help people in need and work to improve their communites and their countries for a better future, but you're stuck in a maze of grey architecture, labyrinthine, under a heavy sky that looks and feels like lead, and whenever you turn you see this peeling stained cracking greyness beneath and between which loom the shadows of total nihilistic oblivion: tsalal darkness: the blackness that is hell: the furthest point possible from God.
The fact that the only politics in this degenerate country are different shades of right wing and being left wing is considered worse than being a pedophile and that these right wing politicians - as low IQ as /pol/, retarded, paranoid, aggressive, conservative, inbred - are driving the country into Indian tier poverty only adds pain to living in this white ethnostate, where every white person has actually stabbed me, kicked me, humiliated me, left me to die on the side of the road while he, drunk, drove away with some whore who turned wet and leering from the beating.
So fuck this piece of trash game. And fuck every single person who thinks it's well written or approaches literature in some form. Literally made to ride anally the dick of Internet politics and thus gain popularity among the Internet dwelling trash who can't see the world outside of fucking politics and who thinks cheap satire created out of Internet meme is deep.
Fuck it. And fuck the country that spawned it.

>>24505560 (OP)
Pathologic and Planescape torment. Also even though not strictly literary I think the atmosphere of the elder scrolls captures some of the mystery and mysticism of old literature and mythology.

It's trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, resolutely shit, lacking in imagination, uninformed reimagining of, limp-wristed, premature, ill-informed attempt at, talentless fuckfest, recidivistic shitpeddler, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another.

>>24505560 (OP)
I enjoy it.

>>24505653
I bought some Estonian liquor once on a cruise ship -- it was quite nice.
on the same ship -- the very same day, in fact -- I had my feet rubbed and sniffed by an old Swedish man because I misunderstood the European convention of "going back to another blokes room for a drink".
For you see, in my country we aren't all poofs, so when another man invites you for a drink you think to yourself "yeah fuck yeah, kick ons" -- rather than the gay sex Europeans (at least Swedes) are apparently wont to partake in in such a context.

>>24505560 (OP)
>is this thing that isnt literature literature?

>>24505572
>Joseph Conrad
>ESL babble

>>24505560 (OP)
Absolute literature. I have more than 100 hours in it already. It has one of the best fictional worlds since Vampire the Masquerade. You should read "Sacred and Terrible Air" by Robert Kurvitz, it's in the same universe of Elysium and is about disappearance of 4 young girls, and 3 bros who can't let go - it's peak, trust me, comfy, sad, and horror.

>>24505562
>t. retard who didn't play the game and got his opinion about it from 4chan

>>24505572
>>24505584
>lot of the vocabulary and sentence structure is stilted and awkward
Bullshit, show me the example of such or you didn't play the game.

>>24505560 (OP)
Live A Live is a more earnest use of the medium as a narrative tool imo. If you want to see how a videogame can be the ideal medium to deliver a meaningful story (or a collection or them in its case) then I highly recommend it. Importantly, it doesn't take itself too seriously -- except where needed.
Incredible to think the game is over 30 years old (although the remake is fine way to experience it if you wish to play it)

> but this game is as close as I think it gets to a game being actual literature.
> Absolute literature or just me being a dumbass?
Depends on what you mean by that. Quality-wise, the writing is extremely hit-or-miss for me and it really depends on whether you think Kurviz trying to emulate the discussion style of Twitter/Tumblr in the CRPG medium was a good idea. If you've spent some time on the Internet and understand the type of people on Twitter this or that character is referencing, you're either gonna be delighted or have your immersion be thrown out. There's better writing and there's much worse writing out there. The setting is interesting enough.
The political side is a bit skewed here because the authors really want you to see that this current thing does not have a future and we can either see the future again through struggle and rave or be disintegrated by the past, but they also wanted to coat a lot of things in humor to be digestible, so sometimes it gets almost annoying and you just wanna go full DFW sweaty gorilla mode on the authors. It's largely a story about time, space and memories of various proportions being stained and haunted: Harry by his ex, Revachol by the failed revolution, Elysium by the figures in power stealing the future from the present. I liked my time with it, at least. There aren't many modern RPGs which are also modern in its text, which is commendable.
There are some interesting things in there, but they don't have to be "literature" to be worthy of analysis. Disco is a polycode text: a combination of language and other sign codes working together to deliver a message. Musicals are polycodes, AMVs are polycodes, ads are polycodes. Because there's just a lot more mixed media and people who have to do a study of anything to pass nowadays, more things can be subjected to a study.
I keep track of my university's academic life and Disco's been appearing in one way or another for several years now in student conferences and other things. I'm considering a PhD-like on temporal/spatial/memory anomalies as a narrative trick in modern English literature and Sacred and Terrible Air/Disco fit pretty well, so I've asked my university professor to send me a copy of some other guy's coursework she had oversight over on the construction of various types of spacetime in literary text using Disco as an example. It largely uses Harry speaking to the skills as an example of constructing psychological (Empathy) and geographical (Shivers) spacetime and has a surprisingly sturdy theoretical base which considers the mind of a literary character a spacetime of its own. It's a big thing to explain so you can read Mikhail Bakhtin to learn about the fundamentals of it.

>>24505606
>>24505607
I actually think this is why reading translated poetry is so important. Pilfering similes from other languages enriches your own.

As for Disco Elysium, I found it quite well written and enjoyed my time with it. It jived with my sense of humour and the characterizations were fun and on point; I recognized the caricatures of several people I've met.

>>24505560 (OP)
>>>/v/

Not literature, which is why the author made it into a game. However, the writing is good and neither commie nor ESL

>>24505572
>joseph conrad has a similar style that is often the butt of jokes
yeah anglos have been sucking his dick for over a century now, as a joke

i will never play this because they use asterisks for emphasis

>>24505696
The remake is censored, prefer playing the original if possible.

>>24505690
Dilate, pinko faggot

>>24505675
Would Art Cop Harry hate his own world?

>>24505560 (OP)
Absoluetly loved. I wish there were more books about absolute schizophrenic nutcase protagonists who are somehow still very competent and manage to succeed in their task despite all the odds

>>24505761
You shouldn't play Planescape then, because it does this too.
>>24506256
Well he's not a nutcase, he's just has bicameral mind.

>>24505690
the setting is literally a world where the only think that can save humanity from the apocalypse is communism

The only /lit/ games are Fallout 1 and FNV

>>24505653
i am so sorry you had to be born estonian, anonymous, i truly am

>>24505562
I wrote it off as this and nothing more until actually giving the game a try.

Disco Elysium is objectively /lit/ since it was based off a book, but not a very good book, and it's easy to find plot holes or needless author bias in parts of the story. The Lorry Driver comes to mind, where the writer's only feasible idea for why someone might resent foreigners arriving to take their job is they have a tiny penis. There's also odd moments where the comical racist stereotype is a seven foot-tall Hercules, whose defeat is played for laughs because the idea you could stop him is so ridiculous (he can pull a grown man out of a tree), and he's also the only person to tell the protagonist the objective truth of "You need to stop drinking." All of this juxtaposed to such retarded ideas as
>the literal glownigger lady who can do no wrong
>your morally-infallible chinaman sidekick who is a homosexual
>the gaggle of communists who enact vigilante justice
that again expose a pretty blatant author bias.

The best way to describe Disco Elysium is somebody sat and did the work, which is commendable, but their ideas are ill-informed because even by European standards Estonia is a place full of pathetic men. Also >>24506791 although I'd add Planescape: Torment.

>>24505560 (OP)
It's the most /lit/ video game. Also it makes rightoids cope and seethe in unison for whatever reason.

>>24507582
Thank you for bumping the thread with gay bait so more people might spot my post directly above it.

>>24505562
So it is /lit/.

>>24507576
I enjoyed Black BAP though. Also you have to remember that Incels were a huge thing when the game was published. It's comically dated now but the far-right sex connection wasn't off left field back then.

>>24507616
I think in this game that tries very hard to create nuanced and believable characters, making the generic Working Joe's motivation as moronic as "his cock is small" does it a disservice. There is obviously better options for why the guy reacts badly to your partner out of reflex, he mentions them himself.

>>24507576
>feasible idea for why someone might resent foreigners arriving to take their job is they have a tiny penis
this is both true and funny though

>>24505560 (OP)
Yes but only the pre-Final Cut version with Dasha and before that horrible voice for the neck tie.

>>24505560 (OP)
I don't know about muh /lit/ but it's good.

>>24507576
>the writer's only feasible idea for why someone might resent foreigners arriving to take their job is they have a tiny penis
Anon, Rene and Measurehead also hate foreigners, and they have very intricate reasons for hating foreigners. Rene in particular, as foreigners have levelled his hometown and killed a shitton of his friends and family. Lorry Driver is reduced to his penis because that's all he has in his sorry and pathetic life, he's not a war hero like Rene or repsected by his peers and colleagues like Measurehead is. He's a nobody, what real reasons for hating other people can a nobody have?

>the idea you could stop him
"Stop him" from what? Dude just stands guard. You "stop him" from that by just talking to Evrart once. If you want a metaphysical victory, there's no bigger one than seeing that for all the advanced racial theories, he's absolutely buckbroken by 500-pound sleazy ham sandwich man, who treats him as a literal lapdog, while recognizing Harry (a washed up mentally unhinged alcoholic) as a credible threat and an equal.

>the literal glownigger lady who can do no wrong
Miss Oranje Disco Dancer is an objectively vile person who deserves to rot in a cell forever for what she did. She did what she did because she is dumb and selfish and for no other reason. Everyone involved realizes this - herself most of all. That's why she spends what she beleives to be her last days out of a box getting drugged out of her brains and fucking random assholes, and why she writes "I sorry for fucking everyone over" if you let her go. Harry is entirely within his rights to give her up to the Moralintern glowies, and if he does - nobody will ever cry for her. The conflict is in whether you actually believe that people should be punished for being dumb and selfish even if nobody actually benefits or learns anything from this - is that what being a cop means?

>your morally-infallible chinaman sidekick who is a homosexual
Kim has no moral backbone. That's kinda why he's a nobody at his age despite his impressive paw-leesing skills - he always just does what he's told, never having the balls to say "no". He's good judgement of actions and decision specifically because he's utterly detached from it, never acting or deciding himself. He spend 15 years working juvie despite hating it, just sucking it up. The pinball story is the exact encapsulation of his character. He sticks to Harry regardless of how insane Herry acts because he realizes that without Herry's insane actions, he's left utterly pathetic as he's incapable of any actions.

>the gaggle of communists who enact vigilante justice
They didn't do it. Which is kinda the point - le 'ard Yunyon working lads talk insane shit about taking matters into their own hands, but ultimately they are just wageslaves. They can't do shit.

>>24507616
if a piece of "literature" is so invested in contemporary memes instead of anything universal that it becomes "comically dated" 5 years from release then i think it's safe to say it's bad literature

>>24508143
What even are the "contemporary memes" DE is invested in?

>"Disco Elysium is just trash, nobody will ever play it"
>"Disco Elysium is shilled by the globohomo, nobody will ever like it"
>"Disco Elysium is hyped by troons, nobody will ever remember it"
>"Disco Elysium is dated, it will grow irrelevant in a decade"
(you are currently here)
>"Disco Elysium is ancient, it has become irrelevant now"
>"I actually always liked Disco Elysium you are plebs for not knowing such a classic it as well as I do"

>>24506329
>You shouldn't play Planescape then, because it does this too.
first of all it's "torment," planescape is not the title of the game. second of all it's ugly and retarded in torment as well but easier to forgive because the people who made it were obviously barely competent at the borrowed technology they were using and it was probably difficult to implement something sane like italics. the disco elysium dumbasses have no such excuse. imagine making a game all about reading and putting zero effort into typography.

>>24508145
boy you really construct your whole personality around entertainment product consumption, huh?

>>24508144
it's extremely rooted in the sensibilities of 2010s twitter communism fandom that has since largely dissipated

>>24508155
What even are the "sensibilities of 2010s twitter communism fandom" that DE is invested in?

>>24508169
the political outlook, the twitter-like writing style, the addiction to irony, the commitment to didacticism, the general upside-down view of art where one writes backwards from the video essay one wants to be made about one's work etc. please don't just type "what even is [thing i said]" because i'm not interested in talking if you're not asking in good faith.

>>24508201
>if you're not asking in good faith
It's just that you're saying that a thing is tied to some supposedly specific things (bad for how specific and particuler they are) and when asked to elaborate ytou give extremely vague vibes. It's pretty much exactly like the actual twitter crowd saying that Iliad is "problematic", and when asked to elaborate they go on about "fascistic writing style", "addiction to masculinity" and "commitment to patriarchy".

Like what the fuck even is "twitter-like writing style" and where did you find it in DE? What is "addiction" to irony, compared to regular irony, and when did "twitter communist fandom" invent it? What shape do "commitment to didacticism" and "writing backwards from the video essay one wants to be made about one's work" take in Disco Elysium?

>>24508209
i'm not going to redownload the game and look for quotes to screenshot and explain just for a cunt that will react to everything with faux-exasperation and pretend not to know what words mean. you know exactly what i'm talking about because you are this precise kind of person and you just want to obfuscate it and waste my time. like what even is [common word]???? like even what is it???? umm????? please spend hours on me as i pretend not to understand the word you used to define the previous word i pretended not to understand!!!
>It's pretty much exactly like the actual twitter crowd saying that Iliad is "problematic"
you're a vile slimy cunt and i sincerely hope you get cancer. don't bother responding.

>>24508219
>pretend not to know what words mean
Anon I know what the words mean, and I said that your words mean some vague bullshit that makes your tummy upset which makes you sound like a fucking redditor.

>>24505599
>EFL
EOL retard

>>24508130
>Lorry Driver is reduced to his penis because that's all he has in his sorry and pathetic life, he's not a war hero like Rene or repsected by his peers and colleagues like Measurehead is. He's a nobody, what real reasons for hating other people can a nobody have?
What reasons would a man who makes up a majority of the workforce in his nation, the quintessential working Joe, have for resenting foreigners invading his country to take jobs? I thought this board was meant to be intelligent.

>>24507576
>>24508130
>Racist dude
Doesn't Harry cook up the whole tiny dicked virgin lorry driver bit in his own head? Im pretty sure I remember it being an option locked behind one of the skill checks with no actual ground basis on reality. If anything on my first reading I understood it more as Harry lacking any and all empathy or idea of sociological and societal cues that may lead a man down that type of ideological drivel and going "hihi he uhhhh cucked by big BBC man lmao what a retard just like me" because he's so used to dealing with lunatics and morons (see the abandoned ledger files) he can't help but point out character flaws as just someone being bad or stupid and that being it. Harry's short sightedness and constantly mirroring himself in others is integral to his character and there are almost no reliable narrators in this game. I can't take the skill trees as omniscient blorbs but if anyone got any counter arguments for that go ahead.
>Glownigger
She's hot so she can't be wrong I don't care what the fucking game says.
>>24505653
Now this is fucking /lit/
Greatest post I read all month

I don't think being an Estonian is that bad, you just don't appreciate the things you have and over dramatize like an histrionic lady.

>>24505560 (OP)
is it actually good or just a bunch of liberal tropes?

Who's you guys' favorite NPC? Mine is Gary the Cryptofascist. He's endearingly pathetic.

>>24508792
it has 4 politics to choose from it has a little bit of something for everyone

>>24508792
It's on sale for $4.

>>24508832
so that's no then

i hate "games" where u just read npc dialog for hours. that's a comic book not a game.

it's hauntological

>>24508828
the problem with games with "complex moral dilemmas" is that you can always tell what the "right" choice is sort of like if an employer gives u one of those personality tests like you know the one ur supposed to pick like "your coworker is on vacation so you used their stapler without asking. do you: a) put it back on their desk b) keep it cuz you need it more c) sell it on ebay. it's like woah so many choices which one shoooould i pick?!

>>24505698
interesting post, anon

>>24508881
yeah but the game is not your employer i never did a commie run i would simply pick the funniest dialogue available

>>24508881
To be fair the most morally sound route is the ultraliberal one. You help out a young artist and a homeless man alongside your exciting new artistic journey!
>>24508792
Both
>>24508823
Creative as fuck homeless guy. My waifu is the fishing lady

>>24505560 (OP)
it's a game with a/lot/of/lit/in/it/

>>24508913
Oh yeah, Idiot Doom Spiral is awesome. Just his name is really evocative - there were points in my life where I felt I was going through an "idiot doom spiral".

Also, his whole backstory is pretty interesting. There's the idea of spiraling because of one simple thing going wrong, but there's also the fact that you can't fully believe his story. The way he tells it, it sounds plausible but then you realise it's absolutely wacky. This guy is very sane and normal yet absolutely insane at the same time. Very fun.

>>24505560 (OP)
it's a game with a/lot/of/lit/in/it/

>>24508926
such prose

>>24505698
>>24508892
>Disco is a polycode text: a combination of language and other sign codes working together to deliver a message.
not interesting. just another academic midwit trying to study games as if they are some hybrid movie-book medium existing only to "deliver a message". that's wrong. read a book that tries to actually develop an aesthetic of games as games, not deformed movies.

>>24508935
so it's a type snow crash from Snow Crash?
a me/program?

>>24508932
dunking on incles in a gamerino?! take my heckin moonerino! finally a game developer who stands up to the patriarchy in the game industry!

>>24508944
sorry i don't read sloppy

>>24508945
I find it funny post-ironically.

>>24508949
>t. was never a teenager who was into at least one slop hobby/trend

>>24508935
I don't think DE is taking its cues from movies

>>24508955
>into at least one slop hobby/trend
and I'll confess along with young adult scifi, before that I was unto the R.A. Salvatore Drizzt Do'Urden Forgotten Realms D&D books. That line of lit/slop got me into reading as a kid.
I'd even read new books at the Borders bookstore on their nice couches after school; little by little. Never having to buy the books.
It was like a comfy commercial library I would use for free. Those were more civilized times (high trust/less covid).

>>24508945
holy shit yes finally somebody that smokes weed

also why is this thread in lit or why is it not talking about a real game like space harrier or zelda or starcraft you must construct additional

this is just conservative elden ring if you ask me


you all could stand to lurk more or maybe find a sense of liberty or stop being republican bootlickers or something like that

>>24508949
well i do not read diacriticals you don of a bitch so stop using them

>>24505653
Is this true?

>>24508974
* son of a bitch

i am mac duff now feel my blade

I have never played this game (imagine playing video games - cringe!) yet I have 20 posts ITT.

>>24505653
>>24505698
these are both ai right

>>24508967
space harrier has no narrative man like how does space harrier advance trans rights huh? it doesn't that makes it a bad game

>>24508935
> trying to study games as if they are some hybrid movie-book medium
They're not a hybrid movie-book medium, they're a text. Are you sure you're replying to the right message?
>>24508997
If AI knows what Estonia truly is, I'm on board.

>>24509013
yes yes i know "there is nothing outside the text" i've read the same goofy lit theory shit u have too the difference is i'm not an academicuck so i don't have to accept received wisdom from french communists

>>24508999
>>24508999
i would say that space harrier has narrative because it has platonic form

it is a vibrating time diamond or a narrative could be derived from that probably

>>24508926
have another pst meme for your journal

>>24505560 (OP)
>Estonian slop
>Commie slop
>Xitter/tumblr levels of discussion
>Vidyaslop

not until my Kant headcanon is accepted

it's still a game. at best it's equivalent to a CYOA if you want it to be a text. it's certainly not something that exists to create new formal or natural science, at least

>>24505560 (OP)
I played the whole game and the dialogue system with RNG was pretty cool. Albeit it's not /lit/ because the writing is very faggoty.

>>24508143
This.

>>24509974
slopslop
>>24509987
>it's certainly not something that exists to create new formal or natural science
you seem ignorant of inframaterialism and the immortal science of Mazovism-Nielsenism!

>this game sucks because I have concocted a narrative around it in my head and my opposition and hatred towards it makes me a hero/superior

It's so fucking disco I pity those who can't appreciate it.

>>24505560 (OP)
It's not literature in the same way that a film with a narrator still isn't literature. It's a videogame, it exists in its own space.

>>24505653
>every white person has actually stabbed me, kicked me, humiliated me, left me to die on the side of the road while he, drunk, drove away with some whore who turned wet and leering from the beating.
You were stabbed and beaten by millions of people? Did they use prop knives or something? I assume you're just deeply mentally unwell though

couldn't play it for more than 1 hour
empty posturing full of cringe reddit humor
just look at the shit this screenshot >>24505690

>>24505560 (OP)
no