I just can’t do ebooks. I use a remarkable and loaded a bunch on there and I keep reaching for physical books. I feel like going to technology for pen and paper is such a mistake.

Yeah it’s annoying not being able to jump back and forth and easily jot notes at the speed you can with a real book. Reading on a computer is even worse, shit actually causes me anger.

>>24506457 (OP)
Ok but why
I love my e reader. It does suck not being able to slip back and forth easily, but I think it's perfectly fine for first time reads where you're just moving forward for the most part.

>>24506525
I think it’s the fact that I can’t feel the book or knowledge is real if it’s digital. I don’t feel it’s part of the human tradition on a device.

When you read a novel on a screen, it becomes just another piece of content. Over time, a physical copy of a novel acquires a quality similar to what Walter Benjamin called "aura" - it's not just any copy of a book, it's your copy. It's a tangible object that takes up physical space in your bookcase, imbued with personal history and meaning. This is also why movies aren't as good on streaming.

>>24506694
pretentious midwit take, tyhere was probably boomers in ancient china whinging about how paper just doesnt have the same "aura" as a massivbe heavy roll of bamboo slips
in conclusion your gay

>>24506694
That’s what Byung Chul Han wrote in his book Non Things

>>24506694
>An e-book is not a thing, but information; it has an altogether different status of being. Even if we have it at our disposal, it is not a possession. It is something to which we have access. An e-book reduces a book to informational value. The book has no age, place, craft or owner. It lacks the auratic distance from which an individual fate could speak to us. Fate has no place in the digital order. Information has neither a physiognomy nor a fate, and it does not allow for the formation of intense ties. One cannot have, for instance, a personal copy [Handexemplar] of an e-book. A personal copy of a book is given its unmistakeable face, its physiognomy, by the hand of the owner. E-books are faceless and without history. They may be read without the use of the hands. There is a tactile element in the turning of a book’s pages that is constitutive of every relationship. Without bodily touch, no ties can emerge.

>>24506694
You're such a brain damaged moron that it has to be bait/copypasta.

>>24506457 (OP)
>I feel like going to technology for pen and paper is such a mistake.
This doesn't make sense. You're not using a pen when you're reading, and books are written in pen either.
>>24506552
>I can't (...) knowledge is real if it’s digital
This doesn't make sense. Are you saying you the words aren't real unless they're printed on paper? What the fuck are you trying to say?
>>24506694
An e-reader is as much an object and as much yours as a book is, but more importantly the text itself is still an object with unique formatting which occupies and imprints upon psychic space when you read.
You get some ebooks ripped from publishers and they have the same front and end matter just like the book would. Then you get some that a person just scanned and uploaded and it feels like a bootlegged copy of something special or rare.

People who are in any way impeded in reading by the medium of an e-reader are either mentally challenged or soulless.
Just because you like books doesn't mean you like reading. Just because you like reading doesn't mean you appreciate books.
You simply don't get it and you don't deserve to.
What a faggot.

>>24506457 (OP)
This shit is ass. Apparently it's very laggy to mimic the slow pacing of turning a page or whatever? Very dumb. I just read on my phone.

I simply would not read 1/10th of the books I do if I didn't have an e reader. Someone mentioned here some Chinese detective stories from the 18th century that piqued my fancy, 2 minutes later it's sitting on my ereader. Without it I'd just read the modern slop I get as gifts and the occasional 2nd hand book I take a punt on. And I don't think I could stand having stacks of unread books sitting around on the chance I might enjoy one.
>Go to the library
No. They don't have what I want, I'm not ordering it, nor am I sharing my reading habits with the government.

>>24508113
>An e-reader is as much an object and as much yours as a book is, but more importantly the text itself is still an object with unique formatting which occupies and imprints upon psychic space when you read.

An e-reader is an object, the books on your e-reader aren't. And you can change things like font size and layout on an e-reader, so those qualities aren't unique. Anyway, I've clearly struck a nerve, as evidenced by all the impotent rage in this thread.

>>24506457 (OP)
One thing I can't stand about e-readers is the difficulty of flipping back to a previous chapter to check on something. Besides, books furnish a room.

>>24506743
>>24508085
What he means is that humans invest inanimate objects with meaning and emotional value. It's part of the natural human tendency to project.
If you weren't chatbots, you'd understand.

the more space a book takes in your room, the less it takes in your brain

>>24508288
Explain

>>24508299
read plato

>>24506694
Based Walter Benjamin poster, having read "The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction" should be a requirement before posting on /lit/.

>>24508434
>having read "The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction" should be a requirement
He just read Han who has read Benjamin, he didn't read Benjamin himself. And I read that work you're quoting, don't see how it's related to this thread.

>>24508440
I haven't read Han but if you read WB how do you not see the link to the topic? Of course he was mainly talking about other media, like the birth of photography killing the aura of the painting, but it's a concept easily translatable to our topic even if a physical books is also a mass reproduced object. Now that I think about it, it is kinda off topic...

>>24508448
>even if a physical books is also a mass reproduced object
That's my point, so not that fitting imo. When Benjamin wrote that this was already the case for centuries. Photography and film was the new shit that was disconcerting.

>>24508463
Yeah you're right, it's not really related.

>>24508434
i wish i still cared about reading shit like walter benjamin and fredric jameson but one day i was just over it

>>24508477
woaw jameson was alive until 2024? lmao i thought he died in the 90s, that's what i get for not reading the nyt regularly, miss out on the obits of leftwing academic dickheads!

>>24508477
I kinda get it desu, I feel i have a couple more good years before being done with it

>>24506743
>>24508085
>>24508113
Having a bookshelf full of (hardcover) books is soulful. It feels good to pick them up and read from an actual book. Also it looks good, which is important because aesthetics are important. Reading an actual book is a more intimate experience than reading “books” on a cold metallic iPad, which is soulless and gay. Yes the difference in experience is also important, because experiences are important. Bookshelf full of (hardcover) books = gothic cathedral; iPad with e”books” = brutalist parking garage.

>>24508771
Read everything on a Kindle.
Buy physical copies of books that I love, or will reference often.

>newfags purposely shitpost as if phones and e-readers are the exact same and use the same tech
Wild. Who is telling people that 4chan.org/lit is a great place to visit and argue about semantic facts?

>>24506457 (OP)
I wonder if there are midwits that feel this way about books that are made using printing presses instead of being hand written and bound

>>24508265
I was reading https://www.blackgate.com/2020/04/04/lovecraft-in-china-the-flock-of-ba-hui-by-oobmab/ on the Kindle app on my iPad and I wanted to have a second copy of the book open so I could flip back and forth between where I was and maps and shit
But then the “where the current page is” would get confused and I’d have to manually bookmark my progress like an animal and I’d also have to read at my computer

>>24508124
>e-readers suck bro
>I read on a worse version of an e-reader

>>24506457 (OP)

They are an EXCELLENT compromise for reading popular fiction you will never read again , the shit you can never resell or holds value once you buy it (mass market paperbacks, junk authors nobody will remember, etc)

And now with the ease of jailbreaking your kindle, you can rid yourself of that shitty Amazon DRM as well , your files are your files , be it EPUB, CBZ , PDF etc

Lets be practical for a moment , do you even HAVE the money for a "soulful" library ? One kindle and you get all of humanities greatest hits for essentially no money down.

Now if you're a note taker or deep analyzer who needs to revisit things , then fair enough , but I read to consume and reflect in that exact moment , I aint doing a book report , what do I need to revisit shit for

Buy those permanent reads u know u are gonna revisit.

>>24509047
>flip back and forth between where I was and maps and shit
I've seen a lot of people mention similar as an issue
>waaah i'm confused literally lost in space and time no connection to physical medium i'm floating in a digital void not sure which chapter i'm in
This is easily solved by using better software. But instead they buy basic Kindles and use default amazshit app to read.
Much like the people whose phones are permanently flooded with hundreds of chrome/facebook/youtube notifications are unable to ascend above the default layer of interaction and go into settings to tweak stuff.
>Kindle app
you have no right to complain, it's ridiculous.

When it comes to story I prefer audiobooks.
When it comes to refrence/informational books I prefer physical book.

Ebooks is a sub-optimal compromise for me. They are as good for learning stuff as a physical book, but also not a enjoyable way to enjoy fiction.
That said they are ok in a pinch. Like I even read a few books on my cellphone due to the physical copy being out of print and there not being a audiobook version.
Also digital books are REALLY easy to get for free. If reading digital doesn't bother you then you basically have nearly unlimited books for free to read.

I love to have footnotes on the bottom of a page, ebooks give me that option.
Was reading Homer, Herodotus, and now Thycidides - each with 600-800 ENDnotes, can't imagine flipping back and forth thousands of times.

>>24506457 (OP)
Reading on a e-reader is for sure more "boring" than just reading an actual book

>>24510965
>When it comes to story I prefer audiobooks.
>When it comes to refrence/informational books I prefer physical book.
I'm the exact opposite

Which e-reader has color, e-ink, Android and play store so I can load audio book as well as other book apps?

my problem with it is the amount of work you have to do just to get a legible file
even commercial ebooks are riddled with typos and typesetting errors
the juice just isn't worth the squeeze

>>24512767
Nigger just get a tablet at that point

>>24513856
Printed books also have more than enough typos.

e-reader is comfy. I buy physical for collections for my favourite series but my kindle is just so much easier
>light, doesn't get hot
>can carry all my books with me
>the x-ray function is useful in big books with lots of characters to remember things you forgot
>e-ink is not harsh on your eyes compared to other digital screens

>>24512767
Bigme B7

>>24506457 (OP)
𒐕 𒑟𒑚𒈦 𐏓𒋻𒐖’𒈦 𒁓𒆸 𒁀𒆸𒆸𒐞. 𒐕 𒑚𒔼𒀼𒁓 𒋻 𒀂𒋻𒇲𒁓𒁀𒋻𐏓𒐞 𒐕 𒐞𒀼𒀼𒇬 𒇲𒀼𒋻𐏓𒀂𒐕𒐖𒋝 𐎣𒆸𒇲 𐏓𒁇𒋻𒌨 𒈦𒋻𒁀𒁇𒀼𒈦. 𒐕 𐎣𒀼𒀼𒁇 𒁇𒐕𒐞𒀼 𒋝𒆸𒐕𒐖𒋝 𒈦𒆸 𒈦𒀼𐏓𒀂𒐖𒆸𒁇𒆸𒋝𒌨 𐎣𒆸𒇲 𐏓𒁇𒋻𒌨 𒋻𒐖𒁓 𒈦𒀼𒐖𐏓𒐕𒁇 𒐕𒔼 𒔼𒑚𐏓𒀂 𒋻 𐎠𒐕𒈦𒋻𒐞𒀼.

>>24510780
>do you even HAVE the money for a "soulful" library ?
Poor people do not have a soul by definition and therefore should not be literate.

>>24506457 (OP)
the battery sucks

>>24510944
Kindle has always mogged and will always mog shitty chinesium garbage like kobo. Its like iphone vs android all over again. Iphone just works and lasts longer and is higher quality and superior even though you can do lot more customization on android.

>>24514384
on what device? I charge my kindle probably once every 1-2 months and I read every day