What do you think of our literature? Do you like it?

>>24506533 (OP)
out of these i have only read Marx, and i don't plan on reading anything more from german authors unless it is science fiction

>>24506533 (OP)
goethe and mann
the rest I don't care for or don't know

>>24506533 (OP)
I am triggered by this sculpture. How dare they give Hesse such a small book? And why is Arendt all the way at the top and why is Luther's book so thick and sitting on top of Kant. I don't likeit.

>>24506533 (OP)
Where is Hitler

I am going to read Italian Journey over the summer, it seems like good summer reading. I kept asking /lit/ what the best English translation of it was, but they were completely useless and never answered the question, so I just got the standard Penguin translation by W.H. Auden.

>>24506772
There’s a lot wrong with it, but that’s besides the point of this thread

>>24506533 (OP)
Ich liebe Der Zauberberg, das Buch ist toll!

>>24506533 (OP)
Was wondering why they excluded Hitler but he was Austrian so it makes sense.

>>24506786
As I said before learn German

>>24506533 (OP)
Forget about Hitler, where the fuck is Nietzsche? And where is Schopenhauer? They included Hegel and Marx but not Schopenhauer and Nietzsche. This statue has an agenda.

>>24506782
He isn't regarded as a good writer even by fascists

>>24506533 (OP)
>Luther
lol, lmao even

>>24506533 (OP)
Not surprised Germans developed their collective narcissism which eventually resulted in their humiliation at the hands of the Jews, given by how advanced and ahead of the curve German speakers were. Everything from quantum mechanics to psychoanalysis to political theology originated from German speaking intellectuals.

I only care about Kafka and Mann
It seems to me that German literature is quite poor unless you like wasting your time with studying philosophy

>>24506789 lese ich gerade. Etwas langwierig aber entzückend soweit. Bin gespannt, was unser Hans Castorp tut.

How is From my Life: Poetry and Truth by von Goethe?

>>24506533 (OP)
What about Rilke, the friggin aarseholes. This sculpture has to come down!!

>>24507246
It’s the closest we Germans ever came to Dostoevsky‘s novels

>>24506533 (OP)
Weren't there 2 Grimm brothers? Why is only 1 included? Either way Brothers Grimm are probably my favorites from germany.

For me, it’s WG Sebald

>>24508305
Gebrüder is an old German word for brothers…

Mann and Hesse are second rate
Arendt isn't german

>>24507226
> Kafka
> German

>>24508370
German literature means German language literature, not German nation literature.

>>24506801
Yes that is ludacris. They're still triggered by the fact Schoppy was right about women kek

>>24506801
they're tacitly admitting nietzsche was polish

>>24506533 (OP)
at least my nigger uwe is getting the recognition he deserves

>>24508372
I guess but the topic is name of authors cited by a german (nationality) statue

>>24508422
I quickly realized that /lit/ misunderstood the picture and focused too much on it. When I made this thread I just used it for illustrative purposes, not because I was aiming for comments directed at it. The main topic of this thread is formulated with the question I posed in OP.

>>24506533 (OP)
Where is fucking Nietzsche ?

>>24508384
lol

>>24508436
It is an imageboard

>>24506533 (OP)
I own one book of Hegel’s (his lecture on philosophers of antiquity for Jena college in 1826) and enjoy it immensely

>>24508458
Hasn't he been wrong about a lot of things?

>>24508460
Like any idealist

>>24508460
did he even write anything falsifiable?

>>24508479
I mean when he talks about historic figures and their ideas, we can just read their works and see for ourselves, whether he talks shit.

>>24508436
There is stil an oven in germany for people like u

i gotta say faust wasn't for me. the characters are always dialed up to 10 from what i've read of it. no one can just chill the fuck out for a second. i can only put up with that if the setting is war throughout, like jerusalem delivared.

>>24511057
Hesse was critical of Goether in Steppenwolf. Is that why?

>>24506533 (OP)
No Nietzsche or Schopenhauer. Marx has one of the smallest books and is sandwiched in the middle where people are less likely to look. Very deliberately designed in this way.

They have no literary tradition. Compared to the french, british or the italians they have basically nothing
For the "land of poets" the germans have invented zero literary movements.
>muh romanticism
Romanticism was developed by the british in the mid 18th century
>protestantism
anglo lollards were doing protestantism 200 years before martin luthers existence

>>24506533 (OP)
>our literature
>Hegel
It's shit.

>>24506533 (OP)
There‘s an insane amount wrong here but I‘m going to focus all my ire on "We live in a society and I won’t even attempt aesthetic expression" Brecht being the second name listed.

>>24506782
He is Austrian
Kafka is also not there

>>24512394
>Romanticism was developed by the british in the mid 18th century
Blatantly false, it started with the German Sturm und Drang
>anglo lollards were doing protestantism 200 years before martin luthers existence
This is not what protestantism is, there were reform movements all throughout the history of christianity (Arians, Waldensians, Cathars, Pataria, Cathars)
Protestantism as a movement to ultimately separate the church was started by germans
Educate yourself before spewing your bile, Inselaffe

>>24512440
>Blatantly false, it started with the German Sturm und Drang
Wrong
The british had already started with romanticism prior to sturm and drang in britain. Edward's Youngs night thoughts and conjectures being introduced to germany is what gave them sturm and drang.
Why do you love ripping off other cultures so much? Sturm and Drang ripped off the british
>The precursors of Romanticism in English poetry go back to the middle of the 18th century, including figures such as Joseph Warton (headmaster at Winchester College) and his brother Thomas Warton, Professor of Poetry at Oxford University.[47] Joseph maintained that invention and imagination were the chief qualities of a poet. The Scottish poet James Macpherson influenced the early development of Romanticism with the international success of his Ossian cycle of poems published in 1762, inspiring both Goethe and the young Walter Scott. Thomas Chatterton is generally considered the first Romantic poet in English.[48] Both Chatterton and Macpherson's work involved elements of fraud, as what they claimed was earlier literature that they had discovered or compiled was, in fact, entirely their own work. The Gothic novel, beginning with Horace Walpole's The Castle of Otranto (1764), was an important precursor of one strain of Romanticism, with a delight in horror and threat, and exotic picturesque settings, matched in Walpole's case by his role in the early revival of Gothic architecture.
Lollardism was protestantism
>island ape
I'm french

>>24512418
Now that you mention it, the fact that it takes such a limited view of Germany is another issue.

>>24512456
>i'm french
I'm sorry for you

>>24512456
1. The Romantic movement in Bongland formally started with Coleridge and Wordsworth who were directly inspired by the Germans
2. The Sturm und Drang movement began concurrently with the Angloids you got from Wikipedia
3. If you're french, why are you using the English wikipedia?

>>24512504
>The Romantic movement in Bongland formally started with Coleridge and Wordsworth who were directly inspired by the Germans
And the germans were inspired by the british
Goethe was obessed with ossian
>The Sturm und Drang movement began concurrently with the Angloids you got from Wikipedia
No, it was inspired by "angloids". Inspired by Ossian, Walpole and Young
>If you're french, why are you using the English wikipedia?
I'm an american of french ancestry

>>24512512
>Goethe was obessed with ossian
He was also obsessed with Spinoza and the Greeks and inspired by a dozen other thinkers and poets. As a unified movement Romanticism started in Germany including the philosophy underpinning it and no amount of wiki editing will change that.
>I'm an american of french ancestry
You're an inbred retard fishing for attention

>>24512563
And if we're gonna be wikipedia warriors anyway:
>The founders of Romanticism, critics (and brothers) August Wilhelm Schlegel and Friedrich Schlegel, began to speak of romantische Poesie ("romantic poetry") in the 1790s, contrasting it with "classic" but in terms of spirit rather than merely dating. Friedrich Schlegel wrote in his 1800 essay Gespräch über die Poesie ("Dialogue on Poetry"):

>I seek and find the romantic among the older moderns, in Shakespeare, in Cervantes, in Italian poetry, in that age of chivalry, love and fable, from which the phenomenon and the word itself are derived.[26][27]

>The modern sense of the term spread more widely in France by its persistent use by Germaine de Staël in her De l'Allemagne (1813), recounting her travels in Germany.[28] In England Wordsworth wrote in a preface to his poems of 1815 of the "romantic harp" and "classic lyre",[28] but in 1820 Byron could still write, perhaps slightly disingenuously,

>I perceive that in Germany, as well as in Italy, there is a great struggle about what they call 'Classical' and 'Romantic', terms which were not subjects of classification in England, at least when I left it four or five years ago.[29]

>>24512394
>invented zero literary movements
Can't you consider Hesse and Mann a movement?

>>24512563
>He was also obsessed with Spinoza and the Greeks and inspired by a dozen other thinkers and poets. As a unified movement Romanticism started in Germany including the philosophy underpinning it and no amount of wiki editing will change that.
It started with the british and your lack of literary knowledge and retarded german nationalism will never change that
Goethe was obsessed with Ossian and Walpole and Young
Sturm and Drang was a rip off of british romanticism
>>24512571
British Romanticism started in the 1750s as all historical evidence leads to
Friendly reminder that the greatest german ever, hitler, didn't think much of his countrys litrature and vastly preferred shakespeare and cervantes
LMAO

>In the German-speaking states, Michael Denis made the first full translation in 1768–1769, inspiring the proto-nationalist poets Klopstock and Goethe, whose own German translation of a portion of Macpherson's work figures prominently in a climactic scene of The Sorrows of Young Werther (1774).[25][26] Goethe's associate Johann Gottfried Herder wrote an essay titled Extract from a correspondence about Ossian and the Songs of Ancient Peoples (1773) in the early days of the Sturm und Drang movement.
KRAUTBROS...NOT LIKE THIS

>>24512512
>I'm an american of french ancestry
tu n' es pas français

>>24512335
He wasn't.

>>24512394
i agree with you.
its also kinda strange/disappointing how much german lit is just ranting about others, or forcing a critique and dwelling in some nationalistic victory. they really had a complex about england.

>>24513882

>>24512563
>>24512571
Even Blake and Burns were doing romanticism well before the Schlegel brothers

>>24513890
Using a slogan invented by a jew btw
>>24513904
Yeah but germans have no culture that isn't ripping off others so they try to claim they invented romanticism

>>24513926
You sound very butthurt

>>24513933
>You sound very butthurt
Why are you trying to claim romanticism was something invented by germans?
You're we wuzzing like blacks do with ancient egypt
>Ballad collections had appeared before but Percy's Reliques seemed to capture the public imagination like no other. Not only would it inspire poets such as Samuel Taylor Coleridge and William Wordsworth to compose their own literary ballads in imitation, it also made the collecting and study of oral poetry a popular pastime. Sir Walter Scott was another writer inspired by reading the Reliques in his youth, and he published some of the ballads he collected in Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border. The more rigorous scholarship of folklorists would eventually supersede Percy's work, most notably in Francis James Child's Child Ballads, but Percy gave impetus to the whole subject.
>The book is also credited, in part, with changing the prevailing literary movement of the 18th century, Neo-Classicism, into Romanticism. The classicist Augustans took as their model the epic hexameters of Virgil's Aeneid and the blank verse of John Milton's three epics. The Reliques highlighted the traditions and folklore of England seen as simpler and less artificial. It would inspire folklore collectors and movements in other parts of Europe and beyond, such as the Brothers Grimm in French-occupied Westphalia and Hesse, and such movements would act as the foundation of romantic nationalism..
The Brothers Grimm were literally inspired by an english guy doing the same thing 50 years earlier

>>24513890
it's just a personal let down
the germany that's sold online and in broader culture is very different to the germany that actually exists in the books.
there are some bright spots for certain, i still like a lot of hoffmann (the nutcracker is excellent), and fouque

>>24506798
NTA but no

>>24508478
Die Marxist

>>24512415
Only complete dildos disrespect Brecht. Epic theater is so intriguing because it tries to tell a lot while using nothing (not only the sparse sets made of lines drawn in the ground and the props like a cardboard tree but also the overly obvious characterizations and humorous ironic names). I got into a discussion on Von trier recently and it reignited my love of Brecht.

>>24507214
yes ruminating on it there's something quite gauche about putting luther there. can you imagine another country having the poor taste to name a religious sectarian amongst its favourite authors or poets?
it's like with the grimm brothers, they can't accept that the fixed concept of elves came from england so they push an archaic etymology (a difference amounting to one letter) as an appeal to a mythical german heritage. and it's like this with almost everything german, the veneer of sincere art gives way to what's quite transparently a young nation's struggle session

>>24506533 (OP)
Mann was in fact Brazilian.
Few know this.

>Thread devolves into one mentally ill autist sperging about how much he hates krauts
Sad, really

>>24514388
His mother was from Brazil but he was German born and raised though he died in Switzerland

>>24506533 (OP)
Germs on the shelf:
Thomas Mann
Klaus Mann
Goethe
Hesse
Hermann Broch
Günter Grass
Jünger
Nietzsche

Did I do good or should I krautpologize?

>>24514459
krautpologize