>>24509660 (OP)
>movements humans can't understand and predict
>hurr durr it's random
Give it some decades.

>>24509860
Bell's inequalities theorem ruled out local hidden variables causing the outcome so it does in fact appear to be random.

>>24509860
We've had ten of them already.

From which faculty did the ancients draw such information as the existence of fundamental particles and their movements? Was it extrapolation based on sense data. Was it drawn from the belly's intuition.

>>24509860
Randomness = incompressibility = no explanation

>>24511367
It's quite wretched to equate the incomprehensible with the predictable. You and I both know the mind is able to move in two or more opposing directions at the same time and that life takes no issues with what humans call paradox. We must come to some kind of truce with contradiction and find some other faculty that is capable of omnidirectionality. Like feeling.

>>24509660 (OP)
lemme guess you read that new book that came out?

>>24511356
We don't know exactly how Epicurus arrived at that conclusion since his works are lost but going by Cicero's account (which is very unreliable because he hated the guy and constantly mocked his views), Epicurus introduced the swerve into Democritus' atomist system because he needed to justify free will, which he felt was self-evident, being included in it.
So his reasoning was likely something along the line of
>Free will exists, therefore there must be some fundamental aspect of nature that makes it non-deterministic.

>>24511065
Must be non-local variables then. Why don't you believe in superdeterminism?

>>24509660 (OP)
>OH MY FUCKING SCIENCE!!!
Lol Epicureans are the fedoras of philosophy.

>>24511467
>If things don't have causes, they must be caused by things that violate casualty
If you're going to accept that causality is a convenient lie, why bother with convoluted attempts to shoehorn causality back in?

>>24511461
And by “non-determinist” you can’t mean “indeterminist” which = random =\= free. The particular non determinism must be not stochastic or classical laws, but physical lawlessness itself ie freedom from the laws of physics to some extent. Intuitively, the factory setting phenomenology is dualism, Cartesian homunculus 4 inches behind the eyes, the ghost in the machine, uncaused cause of neural action potentials. Magic. A miracle. Folk psychology fiction. Ego bias ad hoc rationalizations for the metaphysical freedom we all feel in the soul we don’t have.

>>24509660 (OP)
I don't understand how quantum randomness leads to free will. Nor any type of randomness.

>>24511782
And you aren’t?

>>24511878
The real reason for free will is that it's an emergent property and on a higher level of abstraction than physical laws.

where is the column of criteria? I cant read this chart

>>24511878
THE COIN HAS SPOKEN

>>24511887
I'm not sure what you want to say by 'emergent'. It does not do magic and abandon the laws of causality.

>>24511893
This person sounds like an insufferable dickhead to be seething this much about a dumb kids fad.

>>24511901
>laws of causality
So then you believe in free will?

Free-will (source view of freedom), essentially is the resolution to a regress problem. It’s the first unmoved mover in human form

>>24511893
>You can't just not do your homework, because... You just can't, okay?!? You'll be getting a call home because of this, I bet you won't like that!

>>24511918
my nig

>>24511893

>>24511065
There are sooo many possibilities...
For example, what if they follow an ordered movement, like a melody, that resets evert 50 years? The rhythm would appear random if you analyze it for 49 years

>>24511878
It's actually free will that leads to quantum randomness.