Anatolian Mysticism thread - /lit/ (#24510089) [Archived: 775 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:17:20 AM No.24510089
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Stop jerking about Übermensch theory for a second and read about the men who actually lived a life of ultimate spiritual sovereignty.

This is a tradition built on a radical, uncompromising spiritual path that rejects both materialism and dogmatism.

For the Anatolian mystic, your connection to the divine is direct. It needs no institution, no priest, no scholarly tongue. It demands only integrity. This isn't a rejection of Islam; it's a rejection of the hypocrisy and formality that choke it. The first virtue is absolute spiritual independence:
>"Rızkımı veren Hüda'dır, kula minnet eylemem"
(My Sustenance comes from God; I will not bow to any mortal servant.)

Love (Aşk in Turkish) in the mystical poems (ilahis) is not a sentiment; it's a cosmic force. It’s the "fire that burns you clean," the "ocean that drowns the ego." It’s the force that transforms the soul into a "nightingale" that can only sing of the Rose (God).
This tradition produced men of absolute integrity who lived and died by this code.
Also their Ilahis are kino :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkmTwV88HzA

These were warrior poets whose ink was their blood. Why is this tradition ignored in the West ?
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:23:54 AM No.24510103
>>24510089 (OP)
So Sufism basically?
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:26:12 AM No.24510109
>spin around in circles till I get a runner's high
I'm so communed with G*d rn bruhs fr
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:28:18 AM No.24510112
>>24510089 (OP)
>Why is this tradition ignored in the West?
Because the ottoman empire messed up real badly in the balkans, and has not retained a good reputation in all the centuries that have passed since then. Simple as.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:28:38 AM No.24510114
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>>24510089 (OP)
Another Turkish thread? Yunus Emre is based, super underrated mystic. Turkey turning to retarded wahhabi shit and leaving their beautiful sufi tradition is the biggest tragedy ever. In an ideal world Turkey could have been the sufi muslim country instead of another half-western half-muslim retarded wahhabi mediocrity. Picrel is good too.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:30:04 AM No.24510119
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>>24510103
Anatolian mysticism is different from most Sufi currents in that it is much more rebellious, popular, less dogmatic, less sectarian, for example a Sunni Anatolian mystic can speak well of Pir Sultan Abdal which is unimaginable for the Arab Sunni Sufi. While the Arab Sufis are complacent with the authorities, the Anatolian Sufis used to tell them to fuck off.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:34:27 AM No.24510133
>>24510112
Turks can't read their own literature since it's literally in a different language. The country is also poor and uneducated, that's the main reason. Why is Japanese culture so widely recognized? Because the Japanese were able to spread it properly. 95% of Turks have never even sniffed any of their own tradition. To understand modern day Turkey, just imagine if the Meiji restoration was understood to be necessary but instead of intelligent japs was headed by complete lobotomites.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:39:53 AM No.24510147
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>>24510114
Many Turks are completely brainwashed because they believe that Turkish TV series about the Ottoman Empire are realistic. Anyone who has understood Turkish history realizes that all the great figures who shaped Turkish culture, from Yunus Emre (PBUH) to Ataturk, realize that what unites them all is their hatred of the Ottoman Empire. And for good reason: the empire was a failed state and a widespread kleptocracy built on violence and betrayal of the Turkish people.
thx for the book
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:43:03 AM No.24510156
>>24510114
>In an ideal world Turkey
Either wouldn't exist or would be using the Greek alphabet and have a syncretic culture made up of every element of Ottoman society instead of this fake bullshit. Same thing goes for Greece btw both are completely fake countries LARPing and I'm sick of having to pretend like they're not delusional morons.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:44:15 AM No.24510164
>>24510133
Many ilahis can be understood by Turks, those of Yunus Emre for example, it is worth noting and it is a unique fact in the world that folk songs from mysticism (those of Pir Sultan Abdal for example) are still very popular in Turkey, nevertheless Turkish culture is undermined on the one hand by the Wahhabism (which gives itself Sufi appearances) of neo-Ottomanist Erdogan and the total abandonment of spirituality in favor of modern degenerate morals on the one hand of Turkish youth
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:44:51 AM No.24510167
>>24510156
The only reason religion hasn't died out in both countries is due to this fake bullshit btw
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:47:02 AM No.24510174
>>24510164
Turkey is an example of how westernization should *not* be done, despite starting with pretty much the same understanding of what needed to be done Japan was a resounding success while Turkey completely failed (both with the Young Turks and the later Republicans)
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 2:52:45 AM No.24510195
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Here are some ilahis :
Nesimî (Har içinde biten gonca güle minnet eylemee)

> I will not bow to a rosebud that blooms among thorns.
> I know neither Arabic nor Persian; I will not bow to any tongue.
> I keep my watch on the Straight Path, looking only to the Merciful One;
> I will not bow to the path taught by the Devil.
> I have fallen into a strange affliction, where everyone pursues their own gain.
> What I find today, I consume today; God is generous for the morrow.
> I have not the slightest greed for the riches of this world;
> My Sustenance comes from God (Hüda); I will not bow to any mortal servant.
> O Nesimi, dear soul Nesimi, while the All-Rich is my host,
> While Ahmed-i Muhtar (Prophet Muhammad) is my intercessor on the morrow,
> While the one who gives sustenance to all is that All-Rich, All-Concealing One,
> I will not bow to the ruler of this earth, not even to the Sultan.

Niyazi Misri (Can Yine Bülbül Oldu)

> My soul became the nightingale once more; the thorn bloomed and became the rose.
> The eye became the ear, every place became everything, and all that exists became Him.
> When the fire of love was kindled, the oceans of love began to boil.
> Flowing and cascading everywhere, my eyes became a flood.
> My heart plunged into that ocean, and my tongue was silenced and stilled.
> As I entered into His remembrance, every part of my body became a tongue.
> Today, I have become Ferhad; I have pierced the mountain of my own existence.
> To reach my Shirin, every part of me has become the way.
> Move beyond black and white; leave the people in between.
> O Niyazi, turn back from this place! Do not wait, for He says, "Come to Me!"

(see for Farhad and Shirin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khosrow_and_Shirin )
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 3:07:26 AM No.24510245
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>>24510195
Pir Sultan Abdal (Hû diyelim Gerçeklerin demine) :

> Let us say Hû to the sacred gathering of the Real Ones,
> For the breath of the Real is counted as pure light.
> One who falls in line with the caravan of the Twelve Imams
> Is counted as a beloved friend to Muhammad and Ali.
> One who comes with sincerity does not turn from this path;
> One who is a true friend knows no duality in their friend.
> One who does not see the Saint as God, does not see God either;
> Their eyes may look, but they are counted among the blind.
> The pleasure of this world lasts but for three days,
> And its suffering is far greater than its pleasure.
> The words and breath of the truly Realized Saints—
> One of them is as forty, and the forty are counted as one.
> If the true lover stands firm in their spiritual station,
> And burns like a lamp until their own oil melts away,
> If they see their own shortcomings within their own self,
> Then they too are a Saint, counted among the truly Real.
> I am Pir Sultan Abdal, my spiritual home is Baghdad;
> One who passes beyond duality to attain unity...
> But one who brings gossip and argument to the path of the Saints,
> Their path is a thorn, counted only as a thistle.

Also this website about Pir Sultan Abdal and anatolian mysticism https://pirsultanabdal.me/
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 3:28:35 AM No.24510306
isn't this just a less vital and less productive strand of akbarism?
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 3:42:44 AM No.24510338
>>24510195
Post some shit by Yunus Emre and Ahmet Yesevi, or Mevlana. Those are the truly special ones.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 3:45:39 AM No.24510341
>>24510119
Aha, really interesting, thank you.
I think it ties in actually to a more openminded, rebellious strain of Sufism, but you are right to speak of distinctions within Sufism. There could indeed be, say, an Arab Sunni Sufi with the closemindedness and dogmaticness you mention.
Regardless, it’s interesting because you can, again, sift out the strain of Sufism very much like your description of Anatolian/Turkish mysticism in the thread. Things like:
>For the Anatolian mystic, your connection to the divine is direct. It needs no institution, no priest, no scholarly tongue. It demands only integrity. This isn't a rejection of Islam; it's a rejection of the hypocrisy and formality that choke it. The first virtue is absolute spiritual independence:
>"Rızkımı veren Hüda'dır, kula minnet eylemem"
>(My Sustenance comes from God; I will not bow to any mortal servant.)

Great (and sometimes controversial) Sufis, from Bayazid Bastami, Ibn Arabi, Mansur Al-Hallaj, Ahmad Yasawi, Attar, Hakim Sanai, Jalaluddin Rumi, and the like, have often had this free-spirited strain and deliberate confrontation of the closeminded conventions of their society and the ordinary theologians, scholars, imams and the like. They tried to bring a spiritual revolution with them wherever they went, and wake up men’s consciousnesses, through sometimes aggressive, unexpected or confrontational means. The shock teaching.

I’ve tied this with a transcendental strain of Sufism which runs like a big red thread through some of these best Sufi mystics, theologians, and poets.
>[M]uch more rebellious, popular, less dogmatic, less sectarian,
as you put it. Turkic and Persian influences seem to show up especially in this history, and sometimes even influence from or presence in parts of Central Asia like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, where they often could have some communion with the yogis there
and almost certainly had some historical influences from them.

This is tied especially to the Khwajagan, Persian plural for the Masters (sing. “Khwaja”). Real interesting and worth looking into, because it’s also a part of the history of Turkish mysticism and had a significant historical presence and influence in Turkey, and on dervish orders with a big presence in Turkey like the Naqshbandi Order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khwajagan
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 3:48:57 AM No.24510359
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>>24510338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4W-0h_0B-8
> I love you from a place deeper than the soul itself;
> My way lies on a Path deeper than this outward ritual.
> The Law and the Order are a road for those who would arrive,
> But the Truth and Gnosis are deeper still than that.

> To abandon one's religion is the work of an infidel,
> But what is this "infidelity" that lies deeper within faith itself?
> Do not ask me about "me," for I am not myself;
> There is an "I" within me, deeper than my own self.

> They said Solomon knew the language of the birds,
> But there is a Solomon deeper than Solomon.
> My strength is cut off, no power is left in my knees;
> What kind of path is this, that lies deeper than religion?

> The words of Yunus are raw, they are a fire;
> At Your gate stands a servant, greater than any sultan.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 3:50:16 AM No.24510364
>>24510341
chatgpt ass post
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 4:46:44 AM No.24510475
>>24510364
It’s just complete sentences and trying to use proper grammar and spelling, and give some detail lol
I guess I could try to write less robotically and stiffly, or give some passages from poetry or theology that are more interesting to read, like the OP. But probably tomorrow since it’s late now and I don’t want to dig up my books.

Captcha: DHATH
Cool coincidence. Like the word Dhat, used as a Sufic mystical term and in Islamic theology.
>The term Dhat (ذات) in Arabic is derived from the root “ذ و ت” which signifies “self” or “essence.” In Turkish, the term is also rendered as Zât.
In Sufic mysticism it’s usually used to suggest the fundamental being or nature of God. Could also be translated as essence. On the other hand, in Kabbalah, you also have Da’at (or Da’ath), the location in the Kabbalistic Tree of Life where all 10 sefirot unite as one, in some renderings. Allegorically like the heart. In Hebrew it literally means “knowledge”. Meaningful coincidence, to me.

>>24510195
>>24510245
Thanks for the great extracts, OP.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 6:09:08 AM No.24510640
>>24510089 (OP)
Kinda interesting but I'm not really sold on it yet, you need to strengthen the case on aesthetics. Post some cool pictures, what would Anatolian-Mysticism look like if it was state ideology for example, what would the architecture look like? How would it regulate the people so that they can self-actualize the good. inb4 anyone calls this shallow, at the end of the day thats what it boils down to - whats the most beautiful?
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:55:45 AM No.24511082
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>>24510359
One of the tropes of Anatolian literature is the denigration of the "zahid", the moralizing ascetic for whom asceticism is an end in itself. From a spiritual point of view, the zahid is in fact barely superior to ordinary believers; he practices asceticism always for a purpose that is not fundamentally very spiritual: to feel superior to others, to "surpass" himself, or even to hope for the houris of Paradise... One trait of the zahid is that his asceticism does not really have any visible benefits; on the contrary, asceticism tends to deteriorate his character and make him unbearable.

Edip Harabi:
(Zāhidin her biri bir yāre fedā)
> Each pious ascetic is devoted to some beloved;
> I, for my part, have sacrificed all I have to the one true Beloved.
> I once had an inclination for ablutions, fasting, and prayer;
> I have sacrificed all of them to the presence of the All-Veiling Lord.
> My sect and my nation, my religion and my faith—all of them
> I have abandoned and pledged as a sacrifice to Ahmad-i Mukhtar (The Prophet Muhammad).
> For the sake of the King of Martyrs (Imam Hussein), I have grown to detest it;
> I desire not the River of Kevser, for it is sacrificed to Haydar-i Karrar (Imam Ali).
> Not an atom of desire for the pleasures of Paradise remains;
> I have sacrificed its houris and youths for the sake of the Divine Vision.
> Since becoming a Kızılbaş (Alevi), I have sacrificed the "white-headed" faction
> To Hacı Bektaş-ı Veli, the Sovereign Saint.
> O Harabi! Before they became a burden to us,
> We sacrificed Zamzam, the Hajj, and the Zakat to the wine of the tavern-keeper.

(another poem)


>Don’t be deceived by the pious ascetic whose words are false
>By the bastard son in the form of some preacher
>All his words are false and contrary to the Quran
>So don’t strive in vain for profitless gain

>This one who speaks lies and rubbish for the ignorant
>As if he were the heir of the prophet’s path
>God curse him, this purveyor of filth
>For us from God comes the benevolence of wine

>Would that this crude preacher a more mature soul
>Would that religion been more agreeable to Harabi
>Would that he had become a Muslim
>For a prayer mat washed with wine
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7/1/2025, 6:16:27 PM No.24511724
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>>24511082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkmTwV88HzA

Yunus Emre : Alas for this long life of mine that has passe (Hayıf benim bunca geçen ömrüme)
> Alas for this long life of mine that has passed;
> To be a dervish is a beautiful sovereignty indeed.
> As we say Hû, it brings joy to my very soul;
> To be a dervish is a beautiful sovereignty indeed.

> For Abu Bakr, they fashioned a simple robe for his cloak;
> They drank their fill of the divine wine of love.
> Thus departed Umar, Uthman, and Ali;
> To be a dervish is a beautiful sovereignty indeed.

> One such dervish was Bayezid of Bastam;
> He found in dervish-hood the cure for his pain.
> Ibrahim Adham abandoned his very throne;
> To be a dervish is a beautiful sovereignty indeed.

> The dervish wears but sandals on his feet,
> And strolls into paradise, swaying with ease.
> For God alone knows the state of the dervish's soul;
> To be a dervish is a beautiful sovereignty indeed.

> Do you not see the state of this fleeting world?
> Even emperors find no cure for death.
> O Dervish Yunus, be grateful for your state;
> To be a dervish is a beautiful sovereignty indeed.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 6:44:13 PM No.24511824
>>24510640
This
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7/1/2025, 6:46:25 PM No.24511829
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>>24510089 (OP)
How is picrel? I got it last year and was thinking of diving in.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:13:02 PM No.24511908
>>24511824
>>24510640
I believe that Anatolian mysticism responds to Westerners' desire for a Sufism that would allow them to experience spirituality while also avoiding the ridiculous pseudo-moral restrictions imposed by mainstream Islam. Many Muslims denigrate these Westerners, yet their desire is entirely legitimate. A person can very well want to be initiated into a spiritual tradition while not being constantly spied on by people who will criticize them as soon as they don't fit the archetype of the perfect Muslim.
It should be noted that there are three Sufi schools that are very popular in the West: the Mevlevi school, the Naqshbandi school (via Nazim Haqqani), and the Jerrahi school. All are derived from Turkish Sufism.
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>>24511829
Just avoid Halil İnalcık who is a complete hack and you'll be fine. Western historians can get weird with history (often with a serious axe to grind) but usually they're fine. Me personally I'd recommend just getting all the books that end in ''name'' from the time period. Absolutely gorgeous stuff, most historians are complete hacks so might as well just enjoy the illustrations.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:17:39 PM No.24511925
This stuff is just a lot cooler, I have a copy of the Suleimanname at home. Get one of those. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCleymanname
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 9:43:57 PM No.24512303
>>24511724

More Yunus Emre kino
(This poem has also been set to music in a rock song, Turkish mysticism having had a considerable impact on psychedelic rock there, which shows the completely unique character of Turkish mystical poetry which remains popular despite its spiritual character and its antiquity. see : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbeErgE4quA )

> We hold a grudge against no one;
> Even the stranger is a friend to us.
> Wherever there is desolation,
> It is a neighborhood and a city to us.

> Our name is the "poor one";
> Our only enemy is hatred itself.
> We hold a grudge against no one;
> The entire universe is one to us.

> The homeland is a paradise to us;
> Our traveling companion is The Truth (God).
> Once we have turned toward The Truth,
> All other paths are too narrow for us.

> The world is an old hag, a temptress;
> She leads so many astray from the Path.
> Let such people go their own way;
> To love her is a disgrace to us.

> The world is forbidden (haram) to the elect,
> Made lawful (helal) for the spiritually stingy.
> We do not hold the world as a friend;
> That world is filth to us.

> Yunus says, "We say 'Allah'";
> We have been seized and captivated by Allah.
> Having turned our face to His Threshold,
> That single vow is all that matters to us.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:23:37 PM No.24512373
Cool thread
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:51:04 AM No.24512782
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I'm reading this rn and it's pretty kino. Sheikh Bedreddin was heavily influenced by Ibn Arabi, a classical Sunni qadi and faqih before completely rejecting the dominant Sunni ideology. His students organized a revolt against the Ottoman state (the Sheikh's responsibility in this revolt remains a debate) and demanded, among other things, a fairer division but also, and this is notable for the time, equality between Christians and Muslims. This is remarkable given that the revolt was mainly led by Muslim Turkmen.
Also Bedreddin's metaphysics reminds me a lot of Advaita Vedanta
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7/2/2025, 3:46:15 PM No.24514248
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>>24512303
Here's a poem by Niyazi-i Misri :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQWz-4UpX8A
Ever since my heart fell captive to You,
Sorrow and grief have become my closest friends.

I was once a companion to piety and asceticism,
But with Your love, they have all fallen away from me.

The preacher says, "Come, you must abandon this love!"
But what can I do? My patience has proven faithless.

How could that lover ever abandon love,
When a moon-faced beauty like You has appeared before him?

When I see Your face, my reason shatters and scatters,
For Your dark tresses have become its captivating guide.

Whoever has found You, their own self has ceased to exist;
To attain union with You, O Friend, the soul itself became the price.

You have sent an invitation to all lovers to join in love;
That sacred call has reached the ear of my soul.

In this existence of Niyazi, not a single atom was left;
Everything dissolved, and only eternal Being remained.
Quick bio :
>Niyâzî-i Mısrî, born Mehmed in 1618 in Malatya, was a Sufi mystic, poet, and patron saint of the Niyâziye branch of the Khalwati order. Educated in various madrasahs and steeped in Sufism from birth through his father's affiliation with the Nakshibandi sect, he received his caliphate in 1655. He is known for his mystical poems, commentaries on Turkish verses, and adoption of Ibn Arabi's Wahdat ul-Wujud philosophy. While his views, such as the continuation of prophethood after Muhammad, garnered criticism, his simple yet profound poetry was highly regarded and used as hymns. He died in exile on the island of Lemnos in 1694, leaving behind over ten volumes of works.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 5:26:46 PM No.24514519
how does it come that all of the people who larp as being spiritual but not dogmatic have very bad spiritual lives? I'm sorry but I'll stick to the dogmatic christian saints rather than trusting internet wackos
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:09:04 PM No.24514615
>>24514519
Non-dogmatic spirituality is a pathway to idolatry and idolatry is a pathway to malevolent influences. The moment you reject Christ (even unknowingly, as lots of these New Agers still claim to "follow" Christ in some vague way) and start engaging with shit like pagan deities, Gnosticism, Kabbalah, and Jungian archetypes, you're opening yourself up to demonic entities.
t. former hippie who engaged in idolatry and found myself subject to horrific influences. Christ have mercy
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:25:14 PM No.24514653
>>24514519
Being non-dogmatic =/= believing in the most absurd new age shit. Sufis are non-dogmatic, but nevertheless have a consistent and traditional worldview. Non-dogmatism means admitting the possibility that people of another faith or doctrine may have spiritual realization, not that every doctrine is equal.

>>24514615
>t. a true hylic
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:35:39 PM No.24514680
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>>24514248
Another poem by Yunus Emre (PBUH)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIMKJ43TFLs

O waterwheel, why do you moan so?
"I have a deep pain, that is why I moan.
I have fallen in love with my Lord,
It is for His sake that I moan."

"My name is the sorrowful waterwheel,
My water flows, gushing and splashing.
Thus has the Lord God commanded,
It is for His sake that I moan."

"They found me high upon a mountain,
They tore away my arms and my wings.
They deemed me fit for this waterwheel,
It is for His sake that I moan."

"I am but a tree from a mountain,
Neither sweet am I, nor am I bitter.
I am one who prays to my Lord,
It is for His sake that I moan."

"From the mountain, they cut my timber,
My every design was undone.
I am a poet who never tires,
It is for His sake that I moan."

"The carpenters carved my every side,
Each of my limbs was put in its place.
This very moaning came from God Himself,
It is for His sake that I moan."

"I draw the water up from the depths,
I draw it up and pour it on high.
I am forever remembering my Lord,
It is for His sake that I moan."

The lover Yunus lets out a sigh,
His tears wash away every sin.
By God, I am a lover of the Divine Truth,
It is for His sake that I moan.

(note : the version in the vide ends with the following paragraph)

Yunus says: one who comes (to this world) never laughs;
One never reaches their desire.
In this fleeting world, no one remains;
A deep pain is mine, and so I moan.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:36:58 PM No.24514683
>>24514653
spiritual realization as a concept in itself is absolutely meaningless and escapist, no one who has this metric for chosing religion actually believes in God, you're all just atheists chasing psychologically fulfilling experiences
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 6:41:27 PM No.24514699
>>24514683
Faith is psychology (and the lowest psychology), not spirituality, you are just a hylic who hates that people do not believe in your dead church and your useless dogma
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 7:10:26 PM No.24514768
>>24514699
no one denies that faith has psychological implications but the difference is that for us this is not an end in itself, we have faith because we can't scientifically determine all of the truths of our religion, especially in regards to eschatology which is a future event
>you are just a hylic who hates that people do not believe in your dead church and your useless dogma
you just get triggered for being exposed for the fraud that you are, you can't use proper reason so you safeguard yourself with these meme terms and violent atheist conceptions
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 8:37:17 PM No.24514941
Is this different from being Abdals (idiots?)
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:50:57 PM No.24515380
college-rosicrucians
college-rosicrucians
md5: fb848c5d5212712553bb9444ebf35f02🔍
>>24514941
>Abdals
The term "Abdal" means "substitute," which indicates that in a fully realized Sufi, the individual personality is gone, replaced by a direct divine function.
The best Western equivalent to this original concept of the Abdal is the Invisible College of the Rosicrucians.
The Abdal form a supreme initiatory college with a limited number of members. This college operates beyond the confines of any single religion or creed, as its members are chosen by divine election. For example, Michel Chodkiewicz, in his book The Seal of the Saints, describes a Christian convert being established as an Abdal.
It is clear that the historical "Abdals" of the late Middle Ages (like Pir Sultan Abdal) were not Abdal in this metaphysical sense; rather, they were people who claimed to act according to the principles of this hidden group. The parallel with Rosicrucianism becomes even more interesting when we note that most historical "Rosicrucians" were not members of the mythical Invisible College, but people who claimed to follow its teachings.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:10:42 PM No.24515442
>>24515380
do you ever get bored from jumping from tradition to tradition just to shill your new finding on /lit/? this is really just terminally online larp behaviour and doesn't bring any spiritual achievement
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:25:53 PM No.24515494
>>24515380
I was told that they were an ethnic group in Turkey and that the word abdal means idiot
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:27:04 PM No.24515498
>>24515442
I hope he's British, this would be more fun if it's a Brit, cataloguing the cool shit he finds in an episodic manner.
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:34:25 PM No.24515512
German_Expedition_at_Kizil,_Cave_4,_in_1906-1907_(colorized)
>>24515442
>>24515498

I fuckin love Orientalism man you can insult me all you want I don't care.

>>24515494
There is indeed an ethnic group called so, they are called Abdals because they are Alevis and as such they are associated with the Abdal Sufi movement, but they are kind of considered like Gypsies by the Turks (desu they kind of are gypsies)
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 12:09:10 AM No.24515615
>>24515512
>I fuckin love Orientalism
Whats your favorite country in the orient?
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 12:19:15 AM No.24515650
>>24515615
Probably Iran due to its large number of magnificent (cultural and natural) sites.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 9:15:21 AM No.24516725
>>24515615
>>24515650
my bad, I forgot to say also for its large number of trannies
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 10:42:06 PM No.24518316
Dhikr_singing
Dhikr_singing
md5: 502ffe1e35a7f4f2aad6f7168db99d00🔍
>>24514680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qPmWEgs0ec
Poem by Şeyh Gâlib
Tedbîrini terk eyle takdîr Hudâ’nındır:
> Abandon your own schemes; destiny belongs to God.
> You do not exist; those "I's" are all illusion and doubt.
> Find love in an instant; this rare gift is for the one who finds it.
> Since time began, the world has belonged to the people of pure joy.
> **What business does sorrow have with the lover? Grief is for the people of the world.**
> **Don't let the cup leave your hand; this word is from the Master of the Tavern.**

> I observed the tavern; it has become a place of pilgrimage for the lovers.
> Its inhabitants have been freed from all formality and pretense.
> A joy has arrived, and the gathering is without fear or conflict.
> The talk of sorrow is never remembered; their dispositions have become pure.
> **What business does sorrow have with the lover? Grief is for the people of the world.**
> **Don't let the cup leave your hand; this word is from the Master of the Tavern.**

> O heart, are you not worthy of that Beloved?
> In your claim of love, are you not sincere?
> What is Azra's excuse? Are you not Vamiq?
> Why does this sorrow wander in you? Are you not a lover?
> **What business does sorrow have with the lover? Grief is for the people of the world.**
> **Don't let the cup leave your hand; this word is from the Master of the Tavern.**

> One day, my heart was mournful in the tavern of meaning;
> I had fallen into denial, as old thoughts came to mind.
> Suddenly a master appeared and gave this simple counsel:
> "Take a cup of wine in your hand and give your pain and sorrow to the wind."
> **What business does sorrow have with the lover? Grief is for the people of the world.**
> **Don't let the cup leave your hand; this word is from the Master of the Tavern.**

> Drink an overflowing cup of wine; become a master in the gathering.
> Do not step outside; be bound hand and foot to the tavern.
> Water flows to the lowest ground; fall at the foot of the wine barrel and become drunk.
> If you wish to be overflowing with passion, become utterly intoxicated like Galib.
> **What business does sorrow have with the lover? Grief is for the people of the world.**
> **Don't let the cup leave your hand; this word is from the Master of the Tavern.**