Who was right?

>>24510108 (OP)
Schopenhauer was more right about Kant, which is the German point, but less right about the bigger picture.

>>24510122
what is the bigger picture?

>>24510222
To disagree with the guy everyone has to agree with or to not dwell in the guy everyone has to agree with or occam was right

>>24510250
William Of Ockham isn't the source of what ails us like so many people love to claim.

>>24510122
basically this. except hegel was wrong about the bigger picture too, nietzsche (schopgods successor) was more right about that, but thats mostly because schop didnt really bother tackling the "bigger picture" much, he wasn't a systems guy, or a systems deconstructer like nietzsche is

>>24510108 (OP)
Right about what? They talked about different things. Schopenhauer, by the way.

>>24510108 (OP)
If both are acknowledging the external world then it depends. Without that Hegel always wins. If you want a realistic answer then both are unlikely to be disproven by scientific advancements, but Hegel's influence will point you in different directions than Schopenhauer will. Even if you wholeheartedly stick to absolute as illusion then Hegel still has the option to toss metaphysics and it's just a controversy escalation at that point, either the parties turn to material terms or Schopenhauer is reminded his philosophy left him on his own so he had the option of not being a party to anything.

between "everything is bad bro" and "everything is good bro" I'm inclined to choose the first. latter is far more retarded in comparison.

>>24511189
Accurate.

>>24510108 (OP)
Hegel was infinitely smarter than Schopes, and also the actually original thinker instead of a Hinduism shill with Western philosophical vocabulary.
S. was the better writer and polemicist tho
To some extent his vitriol against H was the narcissism of small differences, they're not as different as it seems, or rather S is a dialectical opposite to a supposedly Hegelian position which Hegel already sublated within his own work, if you actually study it.

Schoop's system of metaphysics is ridiculously reductive. He just talks about it quaintly, but in his own words it's only Berkeley 2.0 + self-contradictory nihilism except 'the pure Ideas are good actually' somehow.
Every German Idealist contains the basic of Schoop's metaphysics, with less "I'll make my personal idiosyncratic psychological issues God's issues!"

As far as bald hairstyles go I'd say Schopenhauer wins by a comfortable margin.

Hegels work doesn't negate Schopenhauer, it incorporates it.

>>24511189
>"everything is good bro"
How does someone arrive at that conclusion for Hegel?

I hate that their portraits are of sickly old men when they wrote most their stuff in their prime. Hegels especially I think he was a few months before death there

>>24512920
>lol look at this rando retard who can only just repeat and regurgitate kant exactly and evaluate something strictly based on how closely it sticks to kant without engaging with any ideas directly
already presupposes too much to say anything meaningful about literally anything. i love retards like this because they pride themselves on how much they can remember and regurgigate other people who were infinitely smarter than them, and because of such they buy into suppositions so easily and are unaware how flawed or incomplete such "system" is.

>>24513048
the image is schopenhauer

>>24513793
kek btfo that retard

>despite Schopenhauer making his entire thing being opposed to Hegel, Hegel still allowed him to teach at the university
Hegel was a bro for that

>>24513001
Any kind of "history/humanity is constantly improving overall" or "utopia is in the future" narrative is positive, no?

>>24513826
true. they were both good in their own rights, but hegel was far more mature and original. they 'wronged each other as only brothers will do.'

hegel has possibly the unique distinction in history of writing reams of meaningless worthless gibberish but with such a palpably negative and inhuman energy it still managed to cause immense real world damage and suffering. don't know enough about schopenhauer to comment

me, who decided not to bother with either.

>>24510108 (OP)
they were both right