You cannot give me a single poem that would not work better in prose. And do not get me started on the "modernist" poets, like Eliot, who seemed content to write prose and hit the return key at random points. Remove the line breaks from the Wasteland and you have a paragraph of prose. This is proof of the superiority of prose to verse, that a poem considered one of the greats, is merely a piece of prose in disguise.
>>24510673 (OP)The fact that ChatGPT can write good prose but shit poetry really says it all plebby.
>>24510696It is actually the opposite. Its prose sticks out like a sore thumb, yet is poetry is rated higher in reviews than human written poetry.
>>24510709>yet is poetry is rated higher in reviews than human written poetry.Yes, rated by plebs who can't tell the difference (you)
>>24510673 (OP)I love poetry and I think a lot of it sucks too. The problem at the moment is that good meter and traditional rhyme schemes are difficult to do well, so people either do it and suck, or most of them don't try and just write tons of confessional garbage. I respect people who do free verse well, because it takes more vision and taste to do when there's no structure defining boundaries for the content.
my autistic pilot friend said something like this. i was accompanying him on an overnight flight he had to make and i started to read him a "the rime of the ancient mariner" to pass the time. i got about five lines in before he flatly said "i hate this". i asked him way and he said the information could have been conveyed much more directly if the author dispensed with the rhyming. for neurotypicals, however, poems are pleasant to the ear. this makes sense when we remember poetry predates written language, and that being able to parse information into rhyme is a valuable skill that allows a people to preserve information much more effeciently. one could even argue that the reason poems are so romantic is an evolutionary trick to make sure a people always has someone around who can record important information in a stable way. poems are easy to remember. if you read through the rime of the ancient mariner just once, you'll probably come away with large passages of it memorized without having made an effort to do so. things like statistics may be the most efficient way to store information on a piece of paper or a hard drive, but the human brain doesn't work that way. it seems likely that rhymes allow memories to be built along pre-existing structures in the brain, similar to building a road on a dried up riverbed, rather than cutting straight through a mountain. if you want to see what i mean, ask someone to come up with five synonyms for 'cold', then ask them to come up with five words that rhyme with 'cold' and see how long each task takes them.
>>24510673 (OP)If lore and worldbuilding are bad for being "plot, but more" then prose isn't merited by being longer than poetry. There are three types of people who hate poetry
>other poets less successful than the poet they're talking about>people who managed to fail English classes that were so easy you'd think they were designed by Jews and invigilated by women for the benefit of niggers (they were)>niggers
Poetry is more beautiful than prose.
>>24510673 (OP)Poetry has an attention to sound, usually in the form of metre, that cannot be replicated in prose. And poetic lineation is an obvious consequence of this. Unravelling poetry into prose would just look retarded. But on top of that, good poetry is very often bad prose, and good prose is very often bad poetry. Prose is not condensed, prose is not aiming at expressing the greatest degree of emotion, or the greatest correspondence of ideas, in the smallest and most sensual expression possible. Put this into practice and it will become obvious. The highest achievements of poetry are infinitely greater than the highest achievements of prose. Sometimes a phrase very profound in poetry will become generic and uninteresting when put into a prose sentence, because it has a different meaning in its poetic context, which prose cannot give it, because prose is the language of every day life, and not the language of the soul.
>>24510673 (OP)Poetry bores me but rejecting its beauty is a pleb opinion anon. I don't think you're in the right on this
>>24510796>i was accompanying him on an overnight flightyou can ? Where you sitting on the copilot's seat ?
>To serious consideration it might almost appear as high treason against our reason that even the slightest violence should be done to a thought or its correct and pure expression, with the childish intention that after some syllables the same sound of word should be heard, or even that these syllables themselves should present a kind of rhythmical beat. But without such violence very few verses would be made; for it must be attributed to this that in foreign languages verses are much more difficult to understand than prose. If we could see into the secret workshops of the poets, we would find that the thought is sought for the rhyme ten times oftener than the rhyme for the thought; and even when the latter is the case, it is not easily accomplished without pliability on the part of the thought. [...] If only the true is beautiful, and the dearest ornament of truth is nakedness, then a thought which appears true and beautiful in prose will have more true worth than one which affects us in the same way in verse.
Poetry appeals to those of a higher conciousness
>But as they left the dark’ning heath,
>More desperate grew the strife of death.
>The English shafts in volleys hailed,
>In headlong charge their horse assailed;
>Front, flank, and rear, the squadrons sweep
>To break the Scottish circle deep,
>That fought around their king.
>But yet, though thick the shafts as snow,
>Though charging knights like whirlwinds go,
>Though billmen ply the ghastly blow,
>Unbroken was the ring;
>The stubborn spearmen still made good
>Their dark impenetrable wood,
>Each stepping where his comrade stood,
>The instant that he fell.
>No thought was there of dastard flight;
>Linked in the serried phalanx tight,
>Groom fought like noble, squire like knight,
>As fearlessly and well;
>Till utter darkness closed her wing
>O’er their thin host and wounded king.
>Then skilful Surrey’s sage commands
>Led back from strife his shattered bands;
>And from the charge they drew,
>As mountain-waves, from wasted lands,
>Sweep back to ocean blue.
If this excerpt doesn't inspire you then you're soulless
Simple as
>>24512511And yet Schopenhauer greatly appreciated poetry and its irreplaceable value in the world.
>>24512439yes. the plane only had two seats. it was a delivary of tissue samples, not a passenger flights.
>>24512511Now that's what I'm talking about. People are so stupid to put all the emphasis of poetry on the fucking end rhyme, when they have no skill or taste by any other measure as poets. It's so bad they think AI output or rap is good poetry.
It takes a combination of high IQ with the rare taste of the most sensitive artistic soul to produce good rhyming verse.
poetry is figurative language, prose is literal language.
simple as
Do not forget that a poem, although it is composed in the language of information, is not used in the language-game of giving information
>>24512530thats why schoppy got BTFO'd by Nietzsche
