What do you think of Gnosticism?

>>24511449 (OP)
Cool when I found out about it in high school

>>24511449 (OP)
its an ontology to my theory of metaphysical realism.

>>24511449 (OP)
Cool story. Mind if I copy some of it?

Pretty dumb and at the root of a lot of evil (like most things related to socialism) but is pretty interesting in how it pops up in world of darkness lore in several interpretations.

>>24511638
>Pretty dumb and at the root of a lot of evil (like most things related to socialism)
elaborate

>>24511638
>Pretty dumb and at the root of a lot of evil (like most things related to socialism)
??

>>24511449 (OP)
I like it in it's mystical form. Hate it in it's retarded internet form. I think Kabbalah, which was derived from it at least according to Sholem, is usually the superior system but I also have a suspision that the og gnosticism was even more similar to it.

>>24511644
>>24511645
Most socialist philosophy has gnositc underpinnings. Historically speaking some of the foundational ideas at the roots of most socialism is gnostic.
As far as the evil, well just look at it's history and cults base on it. Everything from cults justifying the eating of babies, attempts at assassinations of rulers, to literal suicide cults.
Also again, it's connection to the roots of socialism which in it's self is probably the most evil ideology ever created.

>>24511668
>Most socialist philosophy has gnositc underpinnings.
example?

>>24511449 (OP)
You can toss it.

>>24511668
can you connect how the gnostic texts are eviL?

>>24511677
It espouses beliefs different from his own

>>24511681
can we get more specific

>>24511669
https://www.scribd.com/doc/180147375/57714162-Occult-Roots-of-the-Russian-Revolution-pdf

>>24511677
The text themselves aren't evil.
The real world effect of most interpretations put into practice are evil.
Generally what happens when your fundamental assumptions about reality are utterly and completely wrong. You end up coming to impractical and harmful conclusions.

Makes a lot more sense than your standard Abrahamic nonsense, but still Abrahamic nonsense at the end of the day.

>>24511449 (OP)
Interesting but has become a really tedious larp for modern pseuds and schizos

>>24511449 (OP)
Ruined and became redddit when every hipster pseudo mysticist and tranny online found out about it.

>>24511920
The greatest trick the demiurge ever pulled was making the truth freely available to normies

>>24511449 (OP)
The innate contradiction of Gnosticism, Judaism, Islam and Mormonism is that their first step towards legitimising themselves outside of Christianity is a step that cannot be taken without either placing themselves before Christianity in a way that is demonstrably false or accepting the idea of Christianity's God while rejecting that his primacy and perfection would go as far as his word being incorruptible. There is no intrinsic reason why God couldn't change his mind, but the Abrahamic one doesn't. Athiest troons can copeseethe their way into a disingenuous interpretation of God as flexible and temperamental, but these arguments have been dismissed before so many times and in so many ways that it's actually just comical. These religions cannot function without a history that did not happen or an unchanging innerant God who errs and changes.
>what do you think of Gnosticism
In particular, after establishing all that, Gnosticism only differs from the rest in its sickliness. Mormons have Utah, Jews have the United States, Israel, Western Europe and so on, Muslims have a lot of the Middle East and Africa and increasingly Europe too. Gnostics have /x/. Rather pathetic really, even by such low standards.

>>24511920
>Nous? You mean like that character from Honkai Starrail?
>Archons? You mean like those characters from Genshin Impact?

>>24511935
Underrated

>>24511968
Gnostics aren't a proper religious group, so this is a ridiculous comparison

>>24511993
They exist today though

>>24511449 (OP)
Heresy that's now beloved by edgy teenagers, stoners, and /x/ schizos.

retroactively refuted by Plotinus (PBUH)

The Freemason homo perversion known as Gnosticism. Please have a pic:rel and understand we are souls comprised of both body and spirit and they are reconcilable and have complementarity that exalts one.
Example: Jesus didn't foresake His body for God's sake, He used it to intercede for everybody.

>>24511644
Read Eric Voegelin you fucking cunt. Socialism will be destroyed, and monarchies will make their return, and destroy the foul legacy of 1789.

>>24511644
I think it’s a somewhat wrong-headed reading inspired by Voegelin, who butchered Gnosticism. He spoke of a “Gnostic temperament” of sorts, vaguely influenced by Gnosticism, but turned it into a more secular political conception. I totally divide Voeglin’s idea of “Gnosticism” from actual Gnostic mysticism proper, which is not about forming a cult to take over the world and forcibly establish paradise on Earth through material and physical means (“immanentizing the eschaton”), but instead it’s about inner spiritual development and enlightenment.

I think the sinister/evil temperament that anons like >>24512374
>>24511668 describe as part of some progressive, socialist, communist or technocratic ethos generally, can outright be attributed to Luciferianism instead of Gnosticism. Yes, Luciferianism. The Enlightenment-like mysticism which was shared by Illuminists or the (real, historical) Bavarian Illuminati, which exalts the human intellect as being like divine light which can enlighten the world, or a Luciferian or Promethean flame.

Gnosticism is like an esoteric Christianity that favors direct unmediated experience of the divine apart from mediation through a hierarchy. It’s to Christianity like what some of Sufism is to Islam, or Zen to Buddhism. The Christ of Gnosticism is everywhere - in the Gospel of Thomas, Saying 77, we have:
>Jesus said: I am the light that is above them all. I am the all; the all came forth from me, and the all attained to me. Cleave a (piece of) wood; I am there. Raise up a stone, and you will find me there.

The difference to ordinary exoteric Christianity is that the Gnostic teachings are more explicit that Christ is meant to lead you yourself to transcendental God-consciousness, and become like Him. But the ordinary Churchianity can view this as “demonic and blasphemous pride”, even though very similar things are so much as said in the Gospels, and even by St. Paul, when he speaks about how he no longer lives as himself, but Christ lives through him instead.

> Jesus said to his disciples: Compare me, tell me whom I am like. Simon Peter said to him: You are like a righteous angel. Matthew said to him: You are like a wise philosopher. Thomas said to him: Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying whom you are like. Jesus said: I am not your master, for you have drunk, and have become drunk from the bubbling spring which I have caused to gush forth (?). And he took him, withdrew, (and) spoke to him three words. Now when Thomas came (back) to his companions, they asked him: What did Jesus say to you? Thomas said to them: If I tell you one of the words which he said to me, you will take up stones (and) throw them at me; and a fire will come out of the stones (and) burn you up. [Gospel of Thomas, Saying 13]

>>24511995
not in any organized way like jews and muslims, gnostic views were never properly codified.

>>24511920
So 1999?

>>24511449 (OP)
I think the Gnostics are fascinating because as some of the earliest Christians, they reflect a period in time in which Jews were struggling to reconcile Christian beliefs with what the Torah laid out, as well as trying to rationalize and make sense of the contradictions within it. It would be entirely reasonable back then to split the biblical God (Yahweh + El) into the Jewish God (Demiurge) and Christian God (Monad) because it's not like the average Gnostic would have any idea of how the Jewish God is a composite of both Yahweh and El. They are also important in terms of biblical history because a fair chunk of their traditions or ideas would later be incorporated by later Christians across the centuries. Paul was friendly towards Gnostic ideas and Marcion would compile what Paul wrote but edit out positive references towards Judaism.

Different Gnostic sects interpreted the Jewish God differently.

>Some thought he was pure evil
>Others believed he was a tragic monster
>Some thought he was just borderline incompetent or ignorant
>A few believed he was good, but was corrupted by his Archons

A lot of fiction pulls from Gnosticism thanks to it being a central focus in western occult circles. Twin Peaks, The Neverending Story, Toy Story, The Matrix, Half Life, Homestuck, etc.

It's Neoplatonism but for edgy chuds

have any of you read The Temptation of Saint Anthony?

>>24511449 (OP)
it's cool