There's just something I can't put my finger on about this book. No it's not Clarke's pederasty. It's the transhumanism. It's kinda evil in an enlightened, Luciferian way. It's cool. What are /lit/'s thoughts?

>>24513600 (OP)
>It's kinda evil in an enlightened, Luciferian way
Pseud buzzwords.
The movie is kino tho, didn't read the book.

>>24513600 (OP)
One of those revolving space stations will never work

>>24513600 (OP)
you can't put your finger on it but you can identify it? he was just your basic techno-utopianist. hardly a rarity with pre-new wave sf writers.

the book's okay, certainly not clarke's best. not even the best odyssey novel, really (2061 is better, imo).

>>24513608
bro hasn't read paradise lost

>>24513804
I did but it was a language I did not understand. I did it mainly to practice mindfulness.
Either way, it doesn't change anything of what I said.

>>24513600 (OP)
The movie's good

>>24513600 (OP)
The whole thing is just an allegory for Thus Spoke Zarathustra, from mankind starting as the camel (primitive mankind revering the obelisk), becoming the lion (defeating the "dragon" of HAL and confronting the obelisk as an equal), and being reborn as the child (the ending scene). Granted, if you find Nietzsche's ideas evil, that's fair, but focusing on the transhumanist aspect is a shallow reading imho. I'm glad you liked it though, it's my favorite movie

If you get to see the flick played in a modern theatre with the nice dolby sound etc, it will give you the chills. >Le kino.

>>24513600 (OP)

I like 3001 because human civilization really, finally and permanently gets rid of the idea of god once and for all. The catholic church formally dissolves itself c. 2500 A.D. (so to speak), and IIRC the pope who presides over its demise is assassinated by one of those religious nutjobs. Frank Poole uses the word "god" and one of the nu-humans winces at the very word. The novel itself isn't interesting, but any thoroughgoing attack against religion in general has intrinsic value.

>>24513797

2061 is HORRIBLE, and is easily the WORST of the bunch. You have terrible taste. It's a bunch of old farts on a space cruise liner, and the story is so sloppy that a given character is called by three distinct names over a few pages. A shortened form for a given name makes sense, but IIRC there's a third very similar name that is really distinct, but little explanation is given. It may have been because she was a spy/secret assassin or similar, but the way that it was presented was very sloppy is the point.

The best book is 2010, which also happens to be the longest. The Americans and Soviets get on reasonably with each other because they're both intelligent. The Chinese subplot on how the Chinese go it alone in secret while the Americans and Russians still sort-of cooperate compares very well with current space reality.

>>24514651
what about the herman hesse angle?

>>24513600 (OP)
I like the sand monkey scene ook ooking around the stone from space
>kek

>>24516067
also i like loli/yaoi in case that matters

>>24516083
2061 is nice and slow-moving, very comfy. nothing really happens, no great stakes. my kind of book. the scale of 2010 is just too big, it's ridiculous.
>russians and americans cooperating
you really think this compares well with the current day?