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>>24507987

>Thread Question:
What are the most outlandish settings you've read books taking place in?

>>24514205
have you read his new short story?
https://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/the-twenty-one-second-god/

>>24514277 (OP)
>intelligent spiders that create their own society, religion, do math and eventually travel to space
pretty outlandish and pretty fun

>>24514277 (OP)
>tq
everything china mieville

>>24514292
Egan did that 7 years earlier in Incandescence.

>>24514292
The first instance of "hard SF" involved what were effectively intelligent roaches--a flattened form with a carapace due to the high gravity of their home planet.

>>24514340
>tankie
opinion not worth listening to

>>24514340
>Makes Tolkienfags seethe
I love tankies now

Any books with aliens similar to the Strogg from the Quake series or the Borg from Star Trek?

>>24514277 (OP)
10 years ago the first thread with sffg in the subject line was posted.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/6764382

It wasn't the first science fiction fantasy thread, but it was the first to be sffg.

Here's the first of the series of threads that would become /sffg/ a few months later.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/6591682
That wasn't the first that called itself the first, but those before couldn't maintain continuity.

For the first thread calling itself the fantasy general, we have to go back some years to 2011.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/1577783

The same goes for the first science fiction general.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/2003497

There were earlier sff related threads on /r9k/ prior to /lit/ being made in 2010, but those are lost. There were surely even earlier than that. I have no doubt there was book related content even in the earliest years, though I don't remember.

>>24514340
>le moral and political complexity
Yeah dude. Tell me how marally complex it is if a heckin government leader orders your family to be slaughtered. So heckin grey!!!

>>24514435
>It wasn't the first science fiction fantasy thread, but it was the first to be sffg.

>>24514435
Here's one. No "generals" back then, of course.
>https://old.sage.moe/r9k1/thread/800086

fantasy series with female protagonist (in main or secondary role) that occasionally has to wear skimpy clothing for plot reasons? prefer it not to be outright smut

Post the
>last book you read
>current book you are reading
>next book you plan to read

ALTERNATIVELY
>visit https://old.sage.moe/r9k1/
>type in your favorite book or series
>bring something fun back to share with the class

>>24514444
You’re confusing new weird with mudcore. Many such cases! New weird is visceral and confronting but mixes urban settings with genre.

>>24514486
Conan

>>24514435
I want to go back...
>>24514494
>Sansa and Sandor are my favorite characters. Neither of them will be in book 5, so I'm patiently waiting for Winds of Winter.
>patiently waiting for Winds of Winter.
> Anonymous Thu 06 Mar 2008 08:38:18
nearly 20 years later I wonder how patient he is

>>24514494
>Anonymous Sat 02 Aug 2008 15:56:47
>Malazan Book of the Fallen.
Sort of long-winded, but I think it's the best series ever.

>Anonymous Thu 28 Feb 2008 18:48:56
>steven eriksons, tales of the malazan book of the fallen, simply the best epic fantasy i have ever read. constant action and un-fathomable scope.

>TL;DR wheel of time but not gay

das rite malazanchads

>>24514485
Oh, huh. I wasn't aware of this archive.

>>24514545
As you may quickly notice, it is mostly 2008 for old9k but it is better than nothing.

>>24514340
I don't understand. Why does Tolkien take the blame for shit the publishers pulled by saying "we have a formula, and that's replicating Tolkien"? You'd think for people with such levels of intelligence to create immersive worlds with nuanced, morally grey conflicts with good and bad on both sides, they wouldn't have such a one-dimensional view of Tolkien. It's exactly like George Martin calling Trump a nazi. Their understanding of nuance ends where their ideology begins.

>>24514545
>>24514550
It's included here, so I guess I just overlooked it.
https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/4chan

Yes, it is.
This one is interesting because it allows searching for specific OP subjects, so can search for posts that were posted in /sffg/. Shame that it doesn't have much.
https://ayasequart.org/sql?boards=lit&comment=best&op_title=sffg

>>24514558
Trump is a fascist and you are defending fascism if you don’t join to fight it.

>books with male MCs who have a harem of women
>books with female MCs who have a harem of men
Where are the books of female MCs who have a harem of women?

>>24514591
Kraken Mage, but it's even worse written than your normal harem slop.

>>24514494
>last
The Golem
>current
Memories of Ice, Lud-in-the-Mist and The Double Tongue
>next
Ancient Evenings perhaps.

>>24514558
Is it even possible, let alone desirable, to be nuanced in all things?

>>24514558
Anyone claiming Tolkien "glorified war" can be immediately dismissed as a moron. He was extremely anti-war, in the way that only people who have legitimately been in the shit can be. Robert Jordan was similar. The vividness of the violence they portrayed simply came from actual experience, as opposed to someone like GRRM who has only an academic grasp of it.

>>24514618
Every retard in 2017 was harping on about nuance
I wish they all died but they’re kicking around

>>24514340
I don't mind when people criticise Tolkien, but did this guy even read his works or if he did, did he even understand them? Glorying in war? Absolute morality? Tolkien refuted this himself probably before Mieville was even born.

>>24514558
>Why does Tolkien take the blame for shit the publishers pulled by saying "we have a formula, and that's replicating Tolkien"? You'd think for people with such levels of intelligence to create immersive worlds with nuanced, morally grey conflicts with good and bad on both sides, they wouldn't have such a one-dimensional view of Tolkien.
This, they're reacting to things Tolkien didn't even write, it's kind of funny in a way.

>>24514632
You’re like every other South American guy who obsesses over Tolkien. There’s nothing in LOTR that is worth salvaging; it’s neo-Wagnerian pomp and easily imitated by every knuckle dragging big fat fantasy author like Rothfuss.

>>24514103
>Sarah Hawke


Which book should I start with? I've been curious about haremlit.

>>24514277 (OP)
How do sci-fi authors deal with one planet - one setting problem?
I.e. where one place only has one terrain?
If one planet has more diversity than one setting, it begs the question what is the point of traveling to other planets?

>>24514684
If your characters don't travel, then whats the point? The whole conceit behind sci-fi and fantasy is just to have orientalism without the racism anyway

>>24514494
The Blade Itself
Before They Are Hanged
Last Argument of Kings

>>24514690
but I like fantasy racism

yeah like farming a gas giant for hydrogen or something i wonder what kind of techniques those vaporators unique run over there coils ubiquitous dripping with heat blue flame they sure are making a lot of sound rattling against the corroded aluminum siding

anything like Blame! come out recently? I've read the classic inspo like feersum endjinn and great sky river. Down for anything with fucked up transhumanism and desolate megastructures, but its hard to find actually.

>>24514723
Same author is writing Tower Dungeon which has 19 chs out rn. Tone is very different than Blame tho. Hmmm
BOTNS?

>>24514730
>Tower Dungeon
You know I'm on that shit
>BOTNS
I'd consider that in the classics category. I'm at that point where I am reading random self-published shit only 100 people have seen so I was hoping I maybe missed a new release other anons were privy to.

>>24514675
Lost Fleet if you like space opera, Dread Knight if you like dark fantasy, Dragon Sovereign if you like power fantasy. They're all good so it depends on your tastes and you can read the blurbs to see what sounds best to you. Haremlit in general is really dependent on your preferences in genre and erotic content since it's such a wide ranging area.

Of those I think Dread Knight has the weakest start, but gets good fast, and the spinoff/prequel series she's started for it is one of my favorites.

>>24514292
Read David Zindell. Much better.

>>24514618
I'm not sure. But even if I lean right of center, I find myself able to understand the desires and ideals of someone who is pro-choice or someone who is pro-open borders. I disagree with them, but I don't just say, "you're a thoughtless baby killer without a modicum of empathy in your soul." I can understand the nuance of why someone would be pro-choice, but these are the same people who assert that anyone who is pro-life wants to re-enact The Handmaid's Tale in real life. I'm not saying there aren't people who understand the complexities, but there's so many loud, intelligent voices who choose to resort to strawmanning instead.

It's the same shit with Tolkien. You can hate Tolkien, but you shouldn't hate him for what publishers did by formulating his writing style and forcing others to conform to their standards in order to be published.

>>24514558
>"we have a formula, and that's replicating Tolkien"
By the way, has anyone ever tried to read the Shannara series? I heard it's the first Tolkien ripoff ever.

>>24514638
Wagner is KINO, you modernist swine

that nuance argument is such bullshit cause what is the antithesis of nuance slop is the antithesis of nuance
the only reason i can think of for me at least in my limited capacity of thought to bring up nuance or slop is to impede regular discourse
so
therefore
nuance or slop is not what anybody who is interested in a serious discussion brings up or at least i have seen it not

>>24514773
There can only be one

>>24514773
>>24514783
Nice gay porn, bro.

>>24514783
Still waiting for the Kane stories to be republished, same with Nifft the Lean

nobody is saying that diogenes could not play a prominent part in a space opera if that is what you are asking

>>24514800
R. A. Lafferty's Space Chantey proves you right. Who are you quoting, though?

>>24514793
The wagner estate are greedy retards who insist on only republishing kane in expensive limited hardbacks though
It'll never happen

>>24514638
>it’s neo-Wagnerian pomp

What's wrong with Wagner to the point that Mieville thinks calling something Wagnerian is an insult?

>>24514803
Pirate it then. Fuck copyright.

>>24514805
He was anti-Semitic and Hitler loved his music.

>>24514811
>Someone in the 19th century didn't like Jews
woah! And I don't see why popular music being loved by dictators is a bad thing.

Can you try again?

>>24514822
Nothing I said was untrue, anon. Because Hitler loves Wagner music, everyone decided that Wagner was to blame for Nazism. Retarded, I know.

>>24514833
Wow, I hate this Mieville guy even more now.

>>24514340
BALD!

Is this still the same bakker garbage talk or has this thread actually become usable? Not reading through it to save my braincells.

>>24514793
just spend nearly a thousand dollars on them like I did fag

>>24514801 to be honest i was much prompted to that response by the remembrance of bakunin that resides in my mind

>>24514618
Yes it is. But the nuance you hear normies parrot nonstop is literal midwit core. Of course there's nuance to things but normies use it as a way to seem more intelligent than they actually are. Of course like >>24514558 said, once the "nuance" begins to rub up on their own worldviews, it mysteriously ends and you just get hit with
>you're a nazi because... well, because you just ARE, okay?!?

>>24514859
Consensous nowadays is that bakker is overrated.

>>24514803
>The wagner estate are greedy retards who insist on only republishing kane in expensive limited hardbacks though
Good.

>>24514811
>Pirate it then. Fuck copyright.
I have all the old paperbacks already that i bought from used bookstores
>>24514933
>good
Not really seeing as the kindle kane books are censored

>>24514948
Why would you buy a dead dude's book? Pirate that shit.

>>24514954
I buy bobbie jordan's books because i like feeling them in my hands and the super thin pages are comfy

>>24514748
>>24514875
Do you encounter difficulties with nuance in conversations with people in person?

You are transported into the red rising universe. What color do you want, and not, to be. Gold is not an option
>HARD MODE: No high colors - silver/white/copper

>>24514948
>the kindle kane books are censored
Look for the uncensored versions. PDF scans etc.

>>24514979
Which color turns it into a good book?

>>24514979
either a degenerate pink or a lowred who gets to live the comfy but ignorant life of slavery with my 16-year-old tradwife

>>24514979
I want to be a red and have the same surgery Darrow did, but keep the features of a red. Then I would go on a massive slander campaign painting Darrow as a self hating ruster galavanting as a golden messiah with a golden wife and a golden child.

I would work with a bunch of violets and silvers to streamline and sell the process, not only so that low colors would be on equal footing as even golds, but also to make me the richest red in the solar system.

It's all well and good to say, "yeah we're all equal in the Republic," but so long as the physical disparity exists, that cannot last. All the other colors would just be relying on the kindness of the golds, and their ability to stay "civilized". You even see this line of thinking in Virginia as the Senate was being rushed by the mob. The only way to have an equal society, is to provide a process to make everyone a threat to everyone. I would provide that. I would become Red Jesus and brand Darrow as a sell out false prophet.

>>24514979
I want to be a red and have the same surgery Darrow did, but keep the features of a red. Then I would go on a massive slander campaign painting Darrow as a self hating ruster galavanting as a golden messiah with a golden wife and a golden child.

I would work with a bunch of violets and silvers to streamline and sell the process, not only so that low colors would be on equal footing as even golds, but also to make me the richest red in the solar system.

It's all well and good to say, "yeah we're all equal in the Republic," but so long as the physical disparity exists, that cannot last. All the other colors would just be relying on the kindness of the golds, and their ability to stay "civilized". The only way to have an equal society, is to provide a process to make everyone a threat to everyone. I would provide that. I would become Red Jesus and brand Darrow as a sell out false prophet.

>>24515006
aren't most male pinks groomed into being bisexual through shock therapy and shit.

>>24515018
They’re just raped. They have no preference, only their buyers do

>>24515024
You wanna be raped, anon?

>>24515025
Very polite of you to ask but no thank you.

>>24514979
Built for merchandising. God I hate YA slop

any books like pic related?

>>24515038
filtered

alastair reynolds short stories > revelation space imo

>>24514741
Any haremlit with futa protags?

>>24514954
>>24514987
I have all the frazetta paperbacks, just that anybody trying to buy physical copies of the series has to choose between overinflated paperbacks vs expensive hardbacks

>>24515168
Probably but it's not my thing so I don't know any off the top of my head, sorry.

>>24514948
>Not really seeing as the kindle kane books are censored
There are uncensored digital copies in the "usual places".

>>24514340
This guy sounds like he sucks dick.

>randomly check out /wg/
>the crabbiest crab niggas I ever seen crabbing extra hard
If I ever write a story I'll be posting it here instead

>>24515063
i quite liked Chasm City personally

alright what is this bakker stuff about then. Sell me on prince of nothing

>>24514803
It's morbidly funny to see these estates consign their IP to obscurity because they don't understand that fiction IPs need a consistent drip feed of content to stay culturally relevant. They think they can just sit on the rights for decades waiting for that nine figure movie deal from Disney.

>>24515297
Crabs in a bucket or just crabby ass attitudes? Actually scratch that it's probably both.

>>24515304
Edge for edge's sake.
Nonsense superpowered mega character who got homeschooled so hard he can perfectly manipulate anyone and is also the bestest at magic, combat, fucking, etc
Every woman is rape bait
Every relationship revolves around cuckoldry
Trilogy about a holy war, but none of the pov characters give a shit about the holy war
Generic characters (Good guy cuckold wizard noone trusts, gary stu author insert, violent northern barbarian man, leacherous emperor who wants to fuck his mom, dumb whore x2)
Good prose in the first novel that tricks you into thinking this plot is any good

>>24515297
I hate those faggots so much. They're a touchy, rude bunch.

>>24515297
>muh crabs
I post here too. I'll just make fun of you and let you know you self-published for time eternal.

>>24515304
It's a meme. It's been going on for years. He's not actually good.

Would you recommend reading Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn trilogy by Tad Williams?

>>24515333
You will never make it.

>>24515335
Speak for yourself

>>24515333
We already have enough "self-pub bad" newfaggotry. See yourself out.

>>24515343
I'm already traditionally published.
>>24515352
>t. that guy who shills his sword and sorcery book from KDP

>>24515325
>>24515335
damn did Bakker rape YOU? lol

>>24515356
>everybody is the same person
See yourself out, newfag.

>>24515360
To be fair he did just admit that he's all the crabs in /wg/

>>24515365
>muh crabs
It's not crabs. You're just bad.

>>24515372
>You're just bad.
At what?

>>24515365
Meh. Combined with Bakkerfag showing up (it was only a matter of time considering he was the one who asked in the first place), this other newfag's drive-by shitposting has popped a tidal wave in today's riveting /sffg/ discussion.
Quality really went to shit in the day time.

>>24514833
>Because Hitler loves Wagner music, everyone decided that Wagner was to blame for Nazism
Well, Wagner was also an ardent anti-semite (which was the main reason why he and Nietzsche stopped being friends, BTW); although Hitler didn't became anti-semite because of Wagner, he just found sort of "kindred spirit".

>>24515356
>I'm already traditionally published.
Post it, pussy.

>>24514494
>https://old.sage.moe/r9k1/thread/496988/#q497336
Hell yeah Marrow.

>>24515392
Pay for the rest. It's in a Lovecraftian journal so it's /sffg/ adjacent.

>>24515389
>Wagner was also an ardent anti-semite
same

>>24515406
>>24515409
>>24515412
hard pass

>>24515418
Well, thanks for reading. My poesy isn't for everyone.

>>24514577
Trump isn't a fascist. Proper fascism will come after him, either stemming from hard-nosed semi-literate reactionary side of GOP, or from centrist Ivy League-educated establisment elite, who can grow tired of both MAGA and Sanders/AOC-like left-wing populism and tries to establish an elitist anti-egalitarian regime to keep ignorant Murricans from repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot.

>>24515427
>Trump coups
Not fascism
>Trump uses ICE like his own brownshirts
Not fascism
>Trump locks up political rivals
Not fascism
>Trump sends the Marines into California and throws his own military birthday parade
Not fascism
How long until you take your head out of the sand? He's practically Starship Troopers level at this point

Trump is a million times worse than Richard Nixon and you know PKD would be angrily chewing a dozen aspirins with a whole pack of benzedrine while raging against the machine that is American empire in decay

>>24514277 (OP)
What are the best YA fantasy and sci-fi books/series?

>>24515466
VALIS trilogy

>>24515434
>Trump coups
It wasn't a coup. Media has overreacted.
>Trump uses ICE like his own brownshirts
Brownshirts were a paramilitary political organization outside of government structure; a
>Trump locks up political rivals
You can lock up political rivals w/o being a fascist.
>Trump sends the Marines into California
Proper fascist goverment would've already sent military to arrest Newsom and established a martial law all around California. It's spectacle for TV, not fascism.
>and throws his own military birthday parade
Again, you can throw parades without being a fascist.
>How long until you take your head out of the sand? He's practically Starship Troopers level at this point
How long until you read something about actual fascist regimes? He's nowhere near Starship Troopers, that's what comes after him and because of him, as a reaction to his rule; what he is is a mix of Eastern European/Latin American corrupt soft semi-dictators, kind of like Victor Yanukovych meets Juan Perón.

I just finished Gardens of the Moon for the first time.

>>24515406
>>24515409
>>24515412
good poetry but why does the "rot had risen from realms unknown" break the poetic meter slightly? was it intentional?

>>24515548
How did you find it?

>>24515570
I enjoyed it for the most part. I'll definitely carry on with the series.

The last 50 or so pages felt a little odd though. Everything just happened so quickly; just felt a little weird how things just kept getting thrown at characters, only to be destroyed 2 pages later.

Also, it feels like magic is used as a complete deus ex machina. Like, Quick Ben and Kalam. "Oh btw, you can fly lol. And I'll be right next to you, but completely invisible."

Small gripes really. Other than that, can't wait to continue the ride.

>>24515565
You’re right, it’s an extra syllable and throws off the meter entirely. I can’t remember what I was doing when I wrote it but it might’ve been a botched attempt at breaking the rhythm like Spenser does with an Alexandrine. I’ll use your feedback for the next poem I’m writing.

>>24515434
you do know that the left tried to lock trump up for several reasons including rape charges with no evidence, AND his lawyers were charged.
Did I fall for b8?

>>24515593
still a great poem don't get me wrong (you're the anon who wrote the vathek inspired poem if i remember correctly which was also pretty good) but yeah it does throw it off a bit
how does one even get their own poetry published? just submit it to journals?

>>24515625
Thanks for reading.
>how does one even get their own poetry published? just submit it to journals?
I send to journals that I read, since I'm old-fashioned. If you want to be published by a press with a chapbook, then I'm not sure. I have written collections but only for one press and that fell through when the editor got sick.
Submission guidelines are here:
https://www.hippocampuspress.com/journals/penumbra

house of chains is so sick i do not remember any of the plot though to be honest

>>24515676
Why does everyone say it picks up in this book?

>>24515677
no clue it was the one that made me put the series on hold two years back and have yet to return to it

>>24515482
Explain to me why ICE needs 167 billion dollar budget.

I'm looking for a new book or series with:
male author
anti lgbt or no mention of lgbt
zero or few typos
large words, not something written for simpletons or people for whom English is a second language

>>24515702
because I voted for it

>>24515676
>>24515677

>Malazan picks up in House of Chains

Were people not actually reading Deadhouse Gates and Memories of Ice?

>>24515705
I'd recommend something, but you sound like a fag

>>24515715
That's almost 6700 dollars per illegal (if the 20 million figure is true, which it probably isn't.)
They are building a gestapo, and you think that by hurting other people you are helping yourself. I'm sorry but you're a fucking retard.

>>24515721
keep slurping up that propaganda man

Castalia House is full of current conservative sff writers.
http://www.castaliahouse.com/son-of-the-black-sword/

>>24515719
nta DG is one of my favorite fantasy reads in the last few years and while MOI was excellent I felt it was too long at points but it's worth it in the end

>>24515725
>biggest protests in US history against Trump by a popular movement independent of the two party system
>you’re the one slurping propaganda

>>24515739
don't you have some jon oliver to go watch instead of shitting this thread up, and yes you are 100% brainwashed by propagandists lmao

>>24515747
I’m not a democrat supporter. They have aided and abetted Trump at every turn. Obama made ICE what it is today.

>>24515750
Ok champ.

>>24515739
>>24515747
>>24515750
Why the fuck are you retards discussing ZOGmerican politics in this board? Go back to /pol/ you absolute speds.

>>24515297
We already have a guy post his garbage on here. None of us downloaded it even when he gave it out for free

>>24515752
Read some Marx

>>24515758
LOL

>>24515757
Self pubbers need to off themselves

>>24515734
Their is a new rightish publisher in the works but I don't think they are launching tell next year.

https://ark.press/

>>24515772
>Great Murican Novel means waving a flag made in China

>>24515734
>>24515772

What do right wing sff writers write about? Oh how tasty this boot is? The establishment is good actually? Orcs as a poor stand in for immigrant horde fantasy? A party of diverse races and peoples from all around the world don't come together and just stay home instead?

>>24515781
>what do conservative fantasy writers write about
Cod Wagnerian pomposity and boys own adventures

What happened to that anon who had the AI character portraits for his entire cast and a few excerpts posted? He die?

>>24515793
He probably gave up after realising the marker is saturated. That and his panties because only babies use AI and try to self pub.

>>24515781
>orcs as a poor stand in for immigrant hordes
Nah that's libtard fantasy writers. Modern orcs are downstream of Tolkien's orcs, which were a race unique to Middle-earth and not analogous to any real-world peoples. It's not rightists who have reinterpreted orcs as the unwashed third world masses.
In short, kill yourself.
Captcha: 0ATHH

>>24515805
Moby-dick, the great American novel about owning DEI and critical race theory

why the FUCK are there tankies in my /sffg/

>>24515808
That's Blood Meridian nigga

>>24515809
This is what happens when the "Is it pozzed?" ritualposters leave

>>24515810
I’m certain your reading comprehension is low. You probably use the word “brainlet” unironically

>>24515809
It’s always been this way

>>24515824
Yours is even lower if you can't recognize an obvious joke, ESL retard.

>>24514506
Soulful cover

>>24515781
>What do right wing sff writers write about?

Kino shit like Dune. Also go Dilate.

>>24515845
I'm also anti-Trump BTW

>>24515676
>>24515719
First time anon reading malazan on book 4 current ranking:

1. Memories of Ice
2. House of chains
3. Gardens of the moon
4. Deadhouse gates

>>24514948
>the kindle kane books are censored
Anything substantial or just the usual removal of "racist" language?

>>24514277 (OP)
Why does Red Rising technology uses Apple naming conventions

>>24515757
Pretty sure I downloaded it but yeah I haven't read it yet. One day...

>>24515734
>>24515772
what about catholic/orthodox or other church publishers?

>>24515857
Like what? I can’t think of any iNamed tech unless you’re on about random capital letters eg RipWing

Did I like Will of the Many?

>>24515757
I downloaded it and read it. It's pretty good. It's about a policewoman going around trying to find out why her comrades disappear. She finds them being experimented on then needs to find out who's going around creating monsters. She eventually discovers it's her own dead brother and she has to kill him because her brother is some jew that works with a bunch of governments giving them both weapons and monsters so they can fight each other while he stands back collecting more and more money.

>>24515878
Yeah pretty sure >>24515857 is just on about lowercaseUppercase names. PB probably just thought they looked cool. That and ripWing is a bit more eyecatching than rip-wing or however else it might be written

>>24515757
>us

>>24515882
Idk but let me know if you find out. I have a copy eight books deep in my stack

>>24515757
if its the one with that AI cover of a womans face and has the word Knight somewhere in the title I downloaded it not sure whenever i'll read it but I like to at least pretend at supporting anon written material because regardless of quality that shit aint easy to do

R.A. Lafferty's reviews of some books.
https://www.ralafferty.org/library/
>This is more exciting than any of the dozens of fictional works written by this talented man.

>>24515895
>>24515878
>>24515857
It’s just a style choice by the writer but it’s not uncommon within tech and not limited to to Apple eg. Microsoft PowerPoint, MasterCard etc. It’s called CamelCase and is common within programming and coding but also makes tech words easier to read and also understand for readers.

I randomly decided to read Clive Cussler's 19th book in the Dirk Pitt series. Got the hardcover for a buck about a year ago. Book is called Treasure of the Khan. It was ... okay... Sorta bland and very sterile. Writing wasn't great. Story didn't go in the direction I wanted. A portion of the book takes place on Lake Baikal which I've known about before. I promoted chatgpt to provide me with other media related to Lake Baikal that is spooky and I ended up finding this book

greig beck - the siberian incident

Hopefully it's good. It's only 70k words so I'm gonna give it a quick read. Anyways that's my story. Off to read another book. We're at 55 books read for the year boys! 30 more to go before we hit our yearly goal!

>>24515909
I remember reading his mom had a background in big business (CEO and shit), maybe that's where he got it lmao

>>24515914
Top three books you have read this year?

>>24515896
Did you download it? Exactly. I know I didn't. Hell even if I did I bet I'll drop it by chapter 3.
>>24515888
You're a liar.

>>24515921
You speak for yourself and only yourself, newfag.
>only one person has ever posted their book ITT
Stop talking, newfag.

>>24515920
Shirley Jackson - We Have Always Lived in the Castle
Poul Anderson - Conan the Rebel
Elizabeth Kostava - The Historian

>>24515929
The Historian sounds interesting. I've recently become fascinated with historians, historiography, metahistory.

>>24515941
Give it a shot. I enjoyed it. It has lots of cool old city/library descriptions. The story is pretty interesting and bounces between a couple timelines but is very fluid. I really liked the ending.

>>24514292
whoops, attached the wrong image

>>24513953
stop asking for mainstream published novels with your specific retarded fetish and start looking for smut slop instead
>but i don't want slop
then dont look for a sloppish scenario

>>24514859
>first mention of bakker in the thread

>>24515799
Christ, anon, we get it. Go be a nigger somewhere else instead of replying to every post that gives you the opportunity to whine about self-pub. That post didn't even mention it.

>the clone reveal
Dark Age is depressing as FUCK
Everything feels so utterly hopeless for everybody it's hard to imagine any kind of good outcome

>>24516247
There were a few jump the shark moments in Dark Age though i find the Jackal clone less egregious than fucking minds eye.

>>24516250
I've only had one experience with the minds eye and it felt like literal fucking magic. At least this clone shit feels plausible in universe not some huge deus ex machina ass pull.

>>24515781
And anons say there are no women here lol

Is it ever coming out

>>24516444
It's been 14 years anon

>>24516444
>>>/lit/grrm

>>24514979
I would be a red and turn myself into a filthy silver (Apparently reds can turn into anything) and get myself a pink femboywife.

>>24514340
>People rip off Tolkien
>This is somehow Tolkien's fault.
China is just salty he will never be 1/1000th as famous as Tolkien.

>>24514529
>constant action and un-fathomable scope
He means this as a compliment but it's exactly why I hate Malazan.

>>24514529
>Hasn’t read a book in 17 years
Do anons really browse /lit/ and not read for 17 years straight?

>>24514277 (OP)
What's OP's image?

>>24516598
https://www.tabletopgaming.co.uk/features/hopping-zombies-of-chinese-myth-and-folklore-bananachan-fills-us-in-o/

>>24516247
>Dark Age is depressing as FUCK
It is

Books with funny manchild/autistic/oddball protagonists?

>>24516659
I saw the movie Friendship and realized I like these kind of protagonists.

>>24516660
I love Tim Robinson!
Most books by Tao Lin should fit this as well as parts of Behead All Satans. I think James Tate nails this feeling quite well too.

>>24516669
James Tate the poet?

>>24516673
Yes, start with Journey To The City of White Donkeys, in fact, start with this book over the other ones. Download it on annas archive.

>>24516673
Oh also JR by Gaddis, duh!

>>24516603
>tabletop role playing game
weird.

The Logos is without beginning

>>24515855
slurs and "sexist" content like calling a woman a bitch have been removed for some reason despite that not even that bad even for woke types

Hell yeah

>>24515341
I'm on the second book and its very good, go in expecting a more classical fantasy story but you can really see the influence it had on guys like grrm in a good way

>>24516776
My kindle copies of Night Winds and Bloodstone still have several instances of "bitch" in them, the changes must've happened fairly recently since I've had these on my kindle since 2021 and 2015 respectively.

>>24514598
How did you like The Golem?
Got The Golem laying on top of my desk stack right now, thingken bout readin it

>>24516949
I liked it a lot. It had a very eerie, dreamlike or rather nightmarish atmosphere, hard to tell which part of whatever happened to the protagonist was dream/imagination and which was real. The "real life" setting was really bleak, perfect for everything going on there. The ending was great too, fitting for whatever esoteric stuff Meyrink was into back then.
I also watched the 1960s French adaptation but it wasn't creepy or eerie enough in my opinion. Nice to look at, but a German expressionist movie in the vein of The Student of Prague, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari or the The Golem (not really related) would have been perfect.

>>24515904
>The Decline of the West, by Oswald Spengler, 1922
Uh-oh. I knew RAL was a conservative but...

>sent a single man to Mercury to save Darrow
It's Cassius isn't it? I didn't see no body. No body = no death

>>24517058
Guys, I think you should shove those Darrow books up your ass.

I'm working on a Literary Science Fantasy novel. Gene Wolfe meets Cormac McCarthy. How do I reach that audience and mingle with the community? I'm confident in my work but don't know a single IRL person who reads such a genre.

>>24517083
There's a ~100% chance that your ambition is exponentially more than your ability.

>>24517073
seethe
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>>24517083
>Cormac McCarthy
Meme.

>>24517083
reddit

>>24515677
Literally nobody says that.

>>24515676
Feels like me when I read Brave New World. Only thing I remembered was the 9 year old orgy and the Indian hanging himself

>>24514435
>2011
I'm still in early fifth grade in 2011

>>24516444
It already did on tv

I'm preparing to write the most bottom of the barrel iseaki planeswalker sloppa. The MC is a boring, jobless loser IRL (wow just like me!) and then beings from another dimension invade Earth. He manages to escape by opening a portal and realizing he is also a Planeswalker. His goal is to gain enough power to stop the evil godlike beings invading universes.

However, I am trying to decide on a progression system for the MC. What is more thematically interesting?
>MC gets a little piece of each world he travels to in some fashion, like gaining ghost powers from the haunted house dimension or control over plants after traveling to the prehistoric forest dimension; essentially representing his journey as a direct and linear power growth
or
>MC has to scour the worlds he visits to find books on magic/special items/recruit allies/etc. in order to get strong enough to defeat the bad guys, making it more of a journey and focused goal

>>24517231
>>MC gets a little piece of each world he travels to in some fashion, like gaining ghost powers from the haunted house dimension or control over plants after traveling to the prehistoric forest dimension; essentially representing his journey as a direct and linear power growth
this. Makes the journey, and places he visits, more interesting.

>/sffg/ has a discussion yesterday about conservative books
>multiple threads on r/fantasy today asking for books that lean left
What's going on here

>>24514277 (OP)
anybody got the Horus Heresy chart?

>>24517269
is anybody even left wing in 2025? all i see are either sexual perverts or leeches scrapping gold from the walls of the imperial palace, but nobody really wants to give their due to productive workers, maybe because all productive workers are either in asia or chud truckers moving asian products around

>>24516800
did you meet him and get it signed?

>>24516800
did you suck his dick?

>>24514340
I forced myself to read one of his books but gave up

>>24514340
>>24514311
>everything china mieville
what are his books about? what does he write that is morally grey? rape?

>>24517342
Worse, he's a leftist.

>>24517346
but what type? sexual pervert? leech? brown?

>>24517350
tankie russophile

>>24514340
I remember seeing his books in dad's library as a kid but refusing to touch them because I thought his name was stupid.

>>24514494
alright 3D render anon you've won, I'm going to see what this is about

>>24517293
nearly everyone is left wing when you explain the positions, but it's true that people that self-label as such are dire

>>24517370
You could have grabbed it off Anna's Archives. It's probably on the Kindle Unlimited thing, huh? I hope you enjoy it. It's a fairly short read imo.

>description of thing in book is odd
>google it to see if there's an image or better description
>first google result, right there on the search page, is a spoiler for the book and unrelated to what I searched for
Thanks.

>>24517437
When I was reading WoT for the first time I looked up amyrlin to see the origins of the word because I was curious to see if it was from anything. The suggested google search before I had even hit enter was when does siuan sanche die and that was when I turned off suggested searches.

>>24514494
haha imagine waiting for GRRM sequels in 2008

>>24517454
lol that bottom post, homie got his WoT ending before ASOIAF despite Jordan's death

>>24514277 (OP)
>look at y'alls goodreads group
>book of the month is Neuromancer

i just finished that yesterday! it was really off-putting at first because the writing style is so different, like trying to dissect poetry in the way he describes stuff or something. But once you get used to it and figure out what all the jargon he uses means, it flows better and it was a pretty cool read.
some of the parts were really psychedelic and cool as well and its impressive when you know that the author barely even knew anything about computers when he wrote the book and the internet wasn't a big thing yet.
alot of the jargon he came up is still used today as well.

im going to send a request to join the thread's goodreads group if thats alright

>>24517381
>nearly everyone is left wing when you explain the positions
not really, everybody just wants a piece of the money printer, nobody wants productive workers to get the real value of their work

>>24517397
I did. In fact all the books you see in that picture are ebooks I've seen people talk about in this thread that I grab from Anna's and put on my to-read-maybe shelf

>>24517584
OH that's probably calibre actually. I'm dumb.
I'm definitely the same person who talked about the two books above it since they're in the same world. I recently reread Mage Hunter and it was very good too, maybe my second favorite out of the lot.

>>24517381
>nearly everyone is left wing when you explain the positions

>>24517446
I don't google anything about any book I'm reading until I've gone through the entire series. Too many times I've googled a character I like just to see some art, and the first search suggestion is "death" and I'm like "aw man"

Anything in the vein of Dredd/Arbites? 'Ate comics, just looking for some sci-fi police brutality

>>24514319
Just finished reading this yesterday,
it was a good read but I was disappointed about how the book ends the moment the humans and spiders meet. The entire book builds up to the first contact between the two and all we get is a short epilogue teasing a sequel
>>24514319
Are you talking about Dragon's Egg?

>>24517656
>tfw I'm taking a break after morningstar and the darrowchads are discussing later plot points without spoiler tags

>>24517814
Don’t take a break. The next books are much better

>>24517709
Mission of Gravity.

>>24517832
they're coming right after I finish the first law trilogy

>>24517437
>>24517446
>>24517656
For me, it's that I get tailored instagram posts about sffg books. When I started Mistborn after reading Stormlight I got spoiled by some annoying woman posting in big captions that Kelsier wasn't actually dead.. Pissed me off.

>>24517851
fugged my spoiler tags up, meant to spoil more of that but oh well

>>24515325
accurate. very accurate. i'm still enjoying PoN because i'm keeping my expectations low, but this guy nails it.

>>24517845
wish first law would get laughed out of this place like it deserves. book equivalent of dungeon siege.

>>24517574
that's only part of being a leftist, thoughbeit. While it's true that "we should pay other people who aren't me more money" is not a super easy position to argue at times, in general everyone is agreed to more broader issues like raising wage floors, increasing support systems, eliminating means testing, and so on

>>24517655
yes yes you're an epic internet conservative.

but ask people in real life if they want their healthcare to be complicated and expensive, or easy and free? should your lives be irrecoverably destroyed by a single emergency? should we spend our money our foreign wars, or should we spend it on infrastructure? is it better to buy local, or buy chinese junk? should you pay more taxes, or should billionaires pay more taxes?

it's all common sense stuff. the problem is when you label it.

it's a big reason there are so few conservative SFF authors. if you extrapolate their big ideas into the future it's a miserable turd that nobody but a handful of people even like, let alone benefit from. how do you sell that to readers, unless it's explicitly the villains?

the only real conservative SFF authors are the pro-war freaks, and if they were born in the 40s or 50s i can't blame them too much, they legit don't know any better

>>24517920
give me a single good reason why that is not the equivalent of "BotNS is better"

>>24517954
i'm not going to spend time telling you why first law is anything other than slop. if you get told by multiple anons here that it's slop and you still choose to indulge the faggot's slop, then go ahead.

>>24517954
also yes it is the equivalent of "BOTNS is better"

>>24514978
I was in the front row of GRRM's Bubonicon talk where he called drumpf literally hitler and I really wanted to ask him why he thinks he's more like Joffrey than like Stannis and why it isn't possible for people we disagree with to not have the interests of others in mind.

>>24517845
>>24517920
I made it 100 pages into The Devils before dropping it and it lowered The First Law's position on my TBR list

>>24518088
GRRM wrote several very nuanced approaches to leaders. Good and bad and how over time those role switch many times. I think it was the second Dunk and Egg story that really hammered that in that he at least understood that. Why then now, like so many shitlib writers, do they throw that nuance out the window when it comes to real life? Have they always been retarded and through editors/editing make it seem like they have a grasp on reality?

>>24517709
meant for >>24514292

>>24517995
t.
>>24518110
This is the first time I've read Abercrombie, haven't read the devils, don't even know what it's about. I think it's fine. Not worth dropping by far.

>>24517921
I remember a list of SF writers who were for and against the Vietnam war. The ones against it were mostly the classics: Bradbury, Dick, Le Guin... The ones who supported the war were mostly pulp writers, hacks etc.

>>24518154
I'm not that anon, and I've only read SotT. But everything I've seen so far is "The Devils is mid-tier tv adaptation bait and a misrepresentation of what makes Abercrombie good. You should still read First Law." I just didn't feel like typing all of that out.

>>24518088
Somehow, I don't see Stannis running a pump&dump memecoin scheme to scam his own supporters. Joffrey might do that though.

>>24518162
There were some great writers in the support side like Vance, Anderson and Lafferty, and both sides had like a couple of sex offenders lol.

>>24514577
masterfully crafted prose

>>24518205
Lafferty was in support? The fuck
His book Fourth Mansion is redpilled about life and conspiracies, how did he not know that it was retarded and false flagged? Damn that sucks.

>>24515725
not an argument. Your wilful ignorance is only exceeded by your smugness.

>>24515595
there was evidence for all charges, he just weaselled his way out through corruption and bribery.

>>24517346
almost every author is a leftist anon. most intellectuals are

>>24518219
He was from Oklahoma!
I was surprised to see Leigh Brackett in the support list, though. The Long Tomorrow had a progressive message.

>>24518205
>Vance, Anderson
Meh. Overrated.

>>24515325
>>24515335
based gatekeepers

>>24518249
you forgot to put *modern in there. Modernity is retarded.

Picked this up on a whim. The synopsis was intriguing and it looked thick'n meaty. Was kinda worried that Emma Watson was praising the book on the back cover but that's just marketing.

First half is pretty great, good sense of mystery and slow horror burn. I knew the book was in a spot of trouble when what felt like the climax started and there was still 400 pages to go. Sadly, the story has trouble staying that high and it just drags on and on, with a twist about 3/4 of the way through the book that brings the book down a lot (I think it's because it comes out of nowhere and...doesn't really make sense, even if it's barely justified with a couple of sentences). There's some nice moments here and there and I think the actual emotional climax is fine, but if it was like 30% shorter and with no stupid twist it would've been a way better book. Also, I can't help but think wriTing LiKe tHis id jUst grAtinG foR no reAsOn after a while.

so many actually good sffg-related series to pick up and people waste time on abercrombie slop

>>24518327
I'm serious, he sucks.

>>24518249
There are a couple I think that hide their power level, and you can tell in their writing. That's not to say they're right wing, but that they're not overtly leftist.

>>24517437
>Shards of earth
>Look for character descriptions or fan art
>Only result is a reddit thread with ai generated images that just blatantly misunderstood the character descriptions
Wow.

>>24517229
I don't understand how it can be so difficult for him. You literally know what not to do. Even theoryfags on youtube can come up with better alternative endings which also fall in line with what's been set up. Literally, if you're having trouble, just copy them. I refuse to believe it's that hard.

>>24518426
>Only result is a reddit thread with ai generated images that just blatantly misunderstood the character descriptions
I prefer these to shitty fanart that blatantly misunderstands the character descriptions.

>>24518249
I just don't think this is true but it's because anons here are fucking tards who actually think most people are dumbfuck rightwingers like the tards they interact with so their level of rightwingery that they think is normal is pretty high.
authors just tend to less overtly rightwing and more open to different worldviews so that makes them appear leftwing but it's really just that they are more normal.

>>24518445
I feel like if you're too steeped into what qualifies as the right nowadays, you are more likely to be creatively inept and afraid of making anything actually interesting.

>>24514694
Stop after reading last argument of kings, it only gets worse from there, or if you must only read the 3 stand alones after.

Life would be so much cooler if I could enjoy Sanderson. I really want to.

>>24518566
Tell me your grievences

Anyone got a book with a lich or necromancer striving to become a lich as a main character?

>>24518572
First off, the positives. His plot structure and planning are very good, and I thinks that's the biggest appeal to his stories. So is the world.

My problem comes with the dialogue. I don't buy the dialogue. It feels...off. Soulless. Cringe. At times anachronistic.

Also I hate hard-magic systems because it feels like a videogame.

>>24518362
BUT WHAT IS THE STORY AND THE LE TWIST???

>>24518472
Seeing what the online right wingers have put out creatively, it's hard to disagree.

>>24518445
put everything else aside for a second, and try to picture how a conservative - of any definition, of any country - could create art

Conservatives mostly consume, and more likely just collect, and they are by definition uninterested in the creation of new things or bending their intelligence toward finding new ways to communicate with other people, which is all art is


I could buy that many readers are right-wingers, but authors? It just doesn't make sense

I hate when outer /lit/ shits up the thread with their trannyism.

>>24516444
yeah I just finished writing it

>>24518686
>try to picture how a conservative - of any definition, of any country - could create art

authors we have obviously Gene Wolfe and all the other catholics writers that came before and inspired him. That's about the last great conservative writer we had besides David Duke.

can you politics obsessed faggots fuck off already

>>24517954
Because his esteem:quality ratio is entirely out of whack. He's a slightly above average author at best but his fans think he's god's gift to fantasy.

>>24518686
when you have types like Wolfe and Tolkien it seems like there's fewer, but more talented conservative writers

>>24518789
It's an enormous mistake to presume Catholics are conservative.

For one, the fire-and-brimstone priests aren't the ones designing, building, or decorating their cathedrals. They're works of art created by artists, most of which were catholic at the time but would be considered sinners and hated by the modern churchgoer.

But more than that, there is no possible way to read Jesus as anything less than a genuine socialist. Similarly, there's no possible way to follow Jesus' teaching and be a modern conservative. It's too much of a mismatch.

That's where the likes of Wolfe fall. Wolfe hated commies because of his era, and was probably very conservative - or more likely populist republican - on many issues. But he shows an incredibly nuanced and leftist take on mental illness, poverty, fascism, colonialism, animal rights, and so on.

He's an orphan by today's political standards. He's certainly no conservative; the "defend democracy, fight for freedom, love your neighbor, people are greater than any government or corporation" republican has been dead and buried for 50 years now.

>>24519000
That used to be the case.
Unfortunately the vocal right wingers we *do* have today are, like all modern authors, shit.

i hate tankies so much

You're free to promote a modern RW author that's actually good.

>>24518686
This quickly breaks down outside of a caricature of modern US politics, especially so for translated SF.

>>24519098
What does "tankie" mean to you?

>>24519141
US Politics have brainrotted the entire internet.

>>24519129
Does "actually good" mean "I'd enjoy it"? That seems like an unfair criterion compared to "sells well", though considering the buyers are mostly women and probably mostly nominally leftist, I don't know if that's reasonable either. It also seems to assume the author is explicit about their values and very vocal. If the author is center-right and not concerned with expressing their beliefs publicly or in their writing, how would you even know that they were?

What do you think of this excerpt from my book?

Redpill me on Vernor Vinge.

>>24519183
I would tear it apart, but I can't be bothered to do so at this time. You're trying too hard for a web novel and aren't good enough for worthwhile self-published novel.

>>24518578
Larry's Wild Lich Adventure

The answer is probably some shadowrun novel but does anyone know of a book that almost exactly like the movie Bright? Urban fantasy, set on earth, with elves and orcs and humans?

>>24519183
Seems fine to me, anon.

>>24519183
The actual words are mostly fine (jer-falcon should be gyrfalcon) but the punctuation turns a passage that would have been pleasant enough to read into an absolute nightmare. The punctuation problem is holistic, but your egregious comma use is the most glaring issue.

>>24518874
Still not a convincing argument on why one would call the first law slop that deserves no discussion in these threads. I'd say I expected better reading comprehension from /lit/, but this is /sffg/

Surely Alexander is smart enough to realize he's being played and that some random Gold pixie couldn't subdue the Fear Knight.

>>24518789
I wonder how many starving peasants the priests stole from to build that church?

>>24519398
arcos outside of their quotes and maxims aren't really too smart it seems

>>24518686
>put everything else aside for a second, and try to picture how a conservative - of any definition, of any country - could create art
Done.

>>24518270
I'm not a warhawk, but your coping

>>24518686
I telling you, you NEED to go DILATE

>>24518686
"right wingers can't create ar-ACKKK!"

Did someone link /sffg/ onto some popular subreddit or facebook book discussion page?

God Lysander fucking sucks there's no fucking way this plan should ever work. His presence actively ruins these books with how everything always works out for him and his magic mind's eye bullshit. I actually want to drop the book because of this.

>>24518686
"SAAAVE ME JUDITH BUTLER! SAAAVE MEEE-ACKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!"

>>24518686
OH SHI OH SHI OH SHI

>>24519471
Why?

>>24518686
AND AT LAST, DON'T FORGET THE KING

>>24518686
"SFFG IS LEFTIST< SFFG IS LEFTIST< SFFG IS LEF-ACK"

>>24519467
Pretty sure Herbert is a libtard considering he's anti-religious and a feminist. Still like him doe.

>>24519599
He hated faggots.

>>24518686
lol if you use the modern left's definition of "conservative" then 99% of all artists and writers throughout history were conservative. Nice try though, you tranny faggot.

>>24519506
The politics spam over the last day. This samefag samefagging the same post in particular, spamming and flooding.

>>24518658
Kid and his mom moves into a new town. He disappears for 6 days in the woods, and when he comes back there's a voice telling him to do things otherwise everyone will die.

The first half of the book is a relatively slow escalation where the boy meets his "imaginary friend", the "nice mister" and try to avoid something called the "whistling woman" who keeps looking for him and trying to drag him down in nightmares and torture him.

Then, literally right before they manage to defeat the whistling woman, it's revealed that she's actually the good guy and the nice mister is actually the devil itself, which she keeps imprisoned in hell. It comes out of absolutely nowhere given how absurdly evil she was made out to be in the first 3/4 of the book. The devil vaguely say that she's that way because he can twist her words and made her almost insane from the torture but from that point on she acts a lot more normal anyway. At the very end it's revealed she's Jesus's sister...Eve (for some reason).

>paul is le bad
This is such a retarded interpretation of what happened in Dune. I don't know why people keep saying this.

>>24519476
What plan are you on about? Which book is this?

>>24519476
someone's just read past the no honor part

>>24515705
Eversion by Alastair Reynolds.

>>24519599
>>24519624
true, he disowned his degenerate son because he was gay.

>>24519725
It's true that he may have been personally responsible for the deaths of untold billions, but he acted in rational self-interest, so all is forgiven.

new

>>24519998

>>24519998

>>24519000
>Tolkien
Sorry, hes left leaning now sweaty