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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 4:06:41 AM No.24516209
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The psychology of rings meme
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 5:24:23 AM No.24516389
>>24516209 (OP)
the 500 year culmination of the failture of Spinozism
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 5:34:28 AM No.24516405
>>24516209 (OP)
If a leftist is talking about capitalism just assume itโ€™s wrong and Marxist bugman gobbledigook
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 6:20:04 AM No.24516497
>>24516209 (OP)
Bible of 21st century
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 8:10:28 AM No.24516622
>>24516405
If a leftist is talking about capitalism, shut the fuck up and start listening. Inside, he's hurting. Outside, he's sharing valuable information about the economy model of our times.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 9:07:15 AM No.24516709
Is this stuff worth reading? I see this get glazed hard on social media from marxist who don't even know how Marxism works and think that everything else is fascism. Thus I always thought this was one of those leftlib gooner books.

But I still need some critic of capitalism, because everything I read is more or less pro capitalism. So is this book actually worth it?
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 9:40:11 AM No.24516756
>>24516497
That's quite unfortunate
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 9:41:47 AM No.24516758
>>24516622
I want to twist the knife in him psychologically

>>24516709
His issue is replacing revealed faith with psychology which is common among his ilk.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 10:08:00 AM No.24516780
>>24516758
Another impotent who put all the faith in want.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 11:31:17 AM No.24516872
>>24516709
>Is this stuff worth reading?
If you've only read pro-capitalist stuff, then yes. But really, Fisher's biggest insights are concepts adapted from Frederic Jameson, Zizek, and Lacan. You should treat it like a primer for a broader postmodern anti-capitalist milieu that will offer you some better branching off points.

>I see this get glazed hard on social media from marxist
Yeah, because it's short.

>But I still need some critic of capitalism, because everything I read is more or less pro capitalism
The 20th century is basically dominated by criticisms of capitalism, especially on the cultural side. If you feel this way then Fisher is probably a good fit for where you're at.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 12:02:18 PM No.24516901
>>24516709
>But I still need some critic of capitalism, because everything I read is more or less pro capitalism. So is this book actually worth it?
No, just read Marx.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 12:30:14 PM No.24516939
>>24516209 (OP)
It's worth a read.

Alternatively read some of his old blog posts, such as "Exiting the Vampire Castle".

I find some of the lectures of his on YouTube interesting, depending on the year it was filmed, he becomes visably more distressed and nervous as time elapses. Ultimately, the fact that he killed himself paints his words in a very sombre light.

He's what I wish more shitlibs were capable of being.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 2:44:53 PM No.24517105
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>>24516709
What you gotta understand about Fisher is that he was a modern culture researcher who stood at the "peak of development" of Britain's culture, was raised to expect things to become better and more advanced, did not see it happening, and turned to people like Lacan and Jameson for answers. There's surprisingly little "political" in his major works as in "how can we end this". He sees a disease, describes its symptoms, but kills himself before he can envision a cure. There are a lot of comparisons to both modern movies and obscure 1980s British movie essays 2.5 people have heard of because that's the field he tries to deduce. It's "pop culture researchers Fisher and Reynolds" and not "left wing thinkers Fisher and, IDK, Varoufakis?"when people are describing stuff like hauntology for a reason. You read him and move on to more advanced stuff if you're in for ideology.
If you're already familiar with things like Marx's theory of alienation, you're not going to find incredible new insights here. You can find some new names and ideas you haven't heard of, but you gotta read the sources (like Jameson or, lmao, Negarestani) for his arguments to make more sense. You largely read Fisher for literary analysis and vivid descriptions of Britain's cultural decline. Though he didn't really describe what hauntology exactly is even in his "What is Hauntology?" essay, I think he did a great job adapting that concept as a way of analysing things by introducing more psychological things into it. His takes on music are up to debate (there was this whole debate on whether there is actually absolutely modern music and should it therefore be considered anti-hauntological and there are some interesting things about it), but he doesn't miss with books.
Ghosts of My Life is a great collection of posts that sometimes feels like chewing on glass (early Fisher always takes the least common words in the dictionary), but there are some very interesting interviews with guys like The Caretaker on memory, depression (his essay on Joy Division is both spectacularly stupid and very very good) angelic beings hiding in plain sight and making popular rave music while never actually attending a rave. It's also British to an almost comical degree: the most un-British people described there are Kanye West and Drake.
The Weird and the Eerie was Fisher's most modern (and non-political) book, so it's both easy to read and concentrated enough with what it's dissecting. It has some very interesting works and explorations: i particularly liked the concepts lifted from Cyclonopedia where you have a room that's making people act like a CD player playing back the traumatic experiences that occured there and also his analysis of the "weird" of Lovecraft. It's just a great work all things considered if you're into literary analysis and it's also pretty short so he doesn't take a lot of time driving home the points it wants to make.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 2:57:51 PM No.24517115
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>>24517105
Ah yeah, I wrote all this and forgot about fucking Postcapitalist Desire. It's a nice collection of lectures where you have students actively going for questions and Fisher trying to answer them the best way he can. It's his most "ideological" thingy as he finally stops talking about music for once (he talks about Pink Floyd and Jimi Hendrix even in Acid Communism's introduction) and starts discussing theory (and some of it is funny as shit like that one book where Marx is a little girl and workers crave being crushed by the machine), but it's STILL more of an introduction to things given that these are actual lectures. The audiobook version is great, I listened to it while taking walks around the city.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 6:39:55 PM No.24517531
>>24517105
>was raised to expect things to become better and more advanced
grew up in the 80s during thatcher's disasters, still expected things to get better, waited 30+ yrs to kill himself, yea, right