Thread 24516436 - /lit/ [Archived: 714 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/3/2025, 5:50:04 AM No.24516436
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Are you even allowed to write like this?
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 3:41:07 PM No.24517193
>>24516436 (OP)
Literary imitation is more common than actual literary styles. For every Joyce or Faulkner there will be a hundred McCarthy's.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 3:49:56 PM No.24517210
>>24517193
What the fuck are you talking about? Mccarthy's style is more distinctive than both of them.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 3:54:23 PM No.24517222
>>24517193
Both Joyce and Faulkner were imitators too. Joyce's stream of consciousness was lifted wholesale from edouard Dujardin. If anything, Mccarthy's prose is more recognizable than theirs.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 4:28:46 PM No.24517271
>>24517210
Cope.
>>24517222
Joyce's style isn't solely stream of conciousness, though. And McCarthy's prose is only more recognisable because it has the novelty of being largely absent of common grammatical devices to carry his cadence. If McCarthy used commas more readily his style would blend in with most modernist pieces of work to the layman.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 5:25:38 PM No.24517400
>>24517271
>"his style would be le less recognizable if he wrote it less recognizably"
No shit sherlock. I wasn't even just talking about the stream of consciousness. Portrait of the artist doesn't feature a style that would be immediately obvious to the eye. You'd have to sit and ponder if it really was Joyce, and i am not even talking about laymen. Mccarthy doesn't have that problem. You can punctuate his work if you want, his voice is still more recognizable. That's because punctuation isn't even the 4th most important marker of his prose; the archaisms, the polysyndeton, the sentence fragments and the prolific monosyllables are. Joyce and Faulkner would be lucky if they had one such clear formal marker. And I didn't even delve into his refusal to psychologize his characters (so antithetical to modernists, and anyone since Shakespeare really), the profusion of similes, the landscape descriptions at the expense of narrative, the detailed descriptions of technical work and the taciturn, detached & impersonal narrators. Mccarthy's style simply has a stronger identity and individuality than most writers, not just those two.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 5:30:35 PM No.24517416
I fucking love how he writes. Everyone should copy his prose. He removes so much of the tediousness of reading.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 5:31:02 PM No.24517417
>>24517193
>>24517271
Anon, it's clearly you who are coping. You randomly brought up two writers because Mccarthy praise makes you insecure. And you chose to die on the style hill. Style is not the thing you can criticize Mccarthy on, when the man has one of the most unique styles in the history of English prose.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 6:07:01 PM No.24517479
>>24517417
I like McCarthy my post was to make you seethe which it did, so my job here is done.
>>24517400
Portrait is early Joyce and you can never really judge a style on an author's first book. The Orchid Keeper is Faulker-lite and not as recognisable as McCarthy's later work. We can keep moving the goal post if you like, but to claim McCarthy has a stronger identity than some of the most influential modernists is an extremely ignorant thing to claim and exactly why I enjoy making McCarthy fags seethe. He has the Hemingway effect: a style so unique to its time that to the less literate classes it becomes the one and only literary styles. McCarthy is a great prose stylist, but to claim he is recognisable than Faulkner or Joyce, two authors his style is greatly indebted to, is pretty retarded.
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 6:16:01 PM No.24517492
>>24516436 (OP)
Read beyond the prologue before making a thread you rhesus
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 7:59:43 PM No.24517733
>>24517479
Portrait was the last time Joyce wrote in his own voice instead of writing pastiches of 12th century prose for shits and giggles.
>He has the Hemingway effect: a style so unique to its time that to the less literate classes it becomes the one and only literary styles. McCarthy is a great prose stylist, but to claim he is recognisable than Faulkner or Joyce, two authors his style is greatly indebted to, is pretty retarded.
None of this has to do with anything. Faulkner and Joyce didn't appear out of thin air. If they did their styles would be more easily recognizable. They too are greatly indebted to writers they based their writings on, you just don't happen to know who they are. You'd think Joyce was some magician who independently came up with stream of consciousness if not for Joyce himself crediting dujardin. It seems Mccarthy's only crime here is being born after them. By your own metric, Mccarthy is deservedly the more distinctive writer because despite his influences he created a style for himself that announces itself immediately, something both faulkner and Joyce, gulity of being influenced themselves, were unable to do. The only one seething itt over off topic shit is you anon, and your arguments are pretty retarded.
>We can keep moving the goal post if you like, but to claim McCarthy has a stronger identity than some of the most influential modernists is an extremely ignorant thing to claim
And they supposedly have a stronger identity by virtue of being modernists? What nonsense. I am not going to claim Faulkner's modernism is same as Joyce's, but it is definitely closer to Joyce's or Woolf's or Proust's modernism than Mccarthy's mature work is to any of them or to any of his contemporaries. So yes by simple semantic logic it has a stronger identity.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 8:05:36 PM No.24517747
I think books read better when they read like some dude ranting desu
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 8:17:36 PM No.24517784
>>24517492
The prologue isn't even that dense compared to later sections like the typhoid fever
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 11:28:50 PM No.24518486
"One morning at Ellis and Ernest, sadly miscast among the scrubbed college children, sitting at the long pink marble counter he ordered coffee and flipped open the paper. There was Hoghead's picture. He was dead. Hoghead was dead in the paper.

Suttree laid the paper down and stared out at the traffic on Cumberland Avenue this cold bleak forenoon. After a while he read the piece. His name was James Henry. In the old school photo he appeared childlike and puckish, a composition of spots in black and white and gray. How very like the man. He had been shot through the head with a .32 caliber pistol and he was twenty-one years old forever."

I think Blood Meridian still barely edges out Suttree prose-wise but it's the moments like those that make Suttree my favorite.

"We saw you in the streets. Sad.”
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Anonymous
7/3/2025, 11:32:17 PM No.24518496
>>24518486
Blood Meridian has that insanely kino passage about how the world is a delirious insane dream that we have become numb to. That one passage single handedly elevated my opinion of McCarthy so much.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 9:40:02 AM No.24519941
>>24516436 (OP)
>Are you even allowed to write like this?
Nothing is permitted except to the permitters. The cities of the red night were six in number, and each must be visited in its turn.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 9:50:15 AM No.24519957
>>24517416
It's magical. Like in that scene near the beginning where they drink the gross whiskey, I'd normally never associate with people like that, but not long into it, I was chortling along like a nigger as if in a company of good friends. He has such a masterful way to pull you into the scene.