Thread 24519028 - /lit/ [Archived: 565 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/4/2025, 2:18:37 AM No.24519028
KantiusMaximus
KantiusMaximus
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>Nun zeigt es sich, welches überaus merkwürdig ist, daß selbst unter unsere Erfahrungen sich Erkentnisse mengen, die ihren Ursprung a priori haben müssen, und die vielleicht nur dazu dienen, um unsern Vorstellungen der Sinne Zusammenhang zu verschaffen. Denn, wenn man aus den ersteren auch alles wegschaft, was den Sinnen angehört, so bleiben dennoch gewisse ursprüngliche Begriffe und aus ihnen erzeugte Urtheile übrig, die gänzlich a priori, unabhängig von der Erfahrung entstanden seyn müssen, weil sie machen, daß man von den Gegenständen, die den Sinnen erscheinen, mehr sagen kan, wenigstens es sagen zu können glaubt, als bloße Erfahrung lehren würde, und daß Behauptungen wahre Allgemeinheit und strenge Nothwendigkeit enthalten, dergleichen die blos empirische Erkentniß nicht liefern kan.

Now, what's truly remarkable is that even within our experiences, knowledge emerges that must have its origin a priori. This knowledge perhaps solely serves to provide coherence to our sensory perceptions. For if you remove everything belonging to the senses from these experiences, certain original concepts and the judgments derived from them still remain. These must have originated entirely a priori, independent of experience. They allow us to say more about the objects appearing to our senses—or at least believe we can say more—than mere experience would teach. Furthermore, these assertions contain true universality and strict necessity, qualities that purely empirical knowledge cannot provide.
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 2:32:20 AM No.24519073
Shit man congrats, that’s awesome and I know it took a fair amount of work. Anyone who’s into le German wizards has a tolerance for intellectual labor and a degree of masochism. 1) How did you do it exactly? I know how to do it in general lol but am curious to hear the tale. 2) Has it helped your understanding? 3) How different is he in the original? Does it sound less autistic and stilted? More?
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 2:39:09 AM No.24519092
>>24519073
The war has been long. Much too long. Many have died while still drawing breath. Many have fallen while still standing. Many have shed forth a torrent of tears with a smile upon their face. Much blood has been shed between the Kantians and the NeoKantians and we have yet to receive the one to provide the Ultimate Synthesis. Ora et labora. Ora et labora. Vale, Mein Bruder.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 2:42:23 AM No.24519105
>>24519073
I just do it. I just learn German and read it. Kant has beautiful and sublime prose but it requires an attention span and memory of steel to keep together the paragraph long sentences in your mind long enough to comprehend the idea of each sentence as a whole--and so on for progressively larger compound unit of thought (paragraph, section, chapter, etc.)
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 2:43:40 AM No.24519108
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Gott mit uns
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 3:16:35 AM No.24519190
*hebt die Hand* Herr Anon, darf ich zur Toilette gehen?
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 3:29:56 AM No.24519229
>>24519190
Ja, aber beeil dich.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 10:21:56 AM No.24519997
>>24519028 (OP)
>Denn, wenn man aus den ersteren auch alles wegschaft, was den Sinnen angehört, so bleiben dennoch gewisse ursprüngliche Begriffe und aus ihnen erzeugte Urtheile übrig, die gänzlich a priori, unabhängig von der Erfahrung entstanden seyn müssen, weil sie machen, daß man von den Gegenständen, die den Sinnen erscheinen, mehr sagen kan, wenigstens es sagen zu können glaubt, als bloße Erfahrung lehren würde, und daß Behauptungen wahre Allgemeinheit und strenge Nothwendigkeit enthalten, dergleichen die blos empirische Erkentniß nicht liefern kan.
WTF IS THIS SENTENCE?!?!?!?
Translating Cicero in School was easier than reading German philosophers write these convoluted constructs. You know how hard it is to piece together what subclauses belong to what other subclause when he writes?
Worst is when he writes sentences that have the dreaded
>..., ist, ...
appear in the middle of the monstrous construct. That should not ever count or work as a sentence.
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 10:24:17 AM No.24520004
>>24519997
I understood it just fine.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 12:02:18 PM No.24520133
DUDE... WHAT IF PLATO WAS GERMAN... AND AUTISTIC...
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 12:04:38 PM No.24520137
>>24519997
This sentence is totally fine, but his style is shit, something like:
>weil sie machen, daß man
should never be used by a professional philosopher. Sounds like he is IQ80.
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 12:14:23 PM No.24520151
>>24520137
cope
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:19:14 PM No.24521144
>>24520137
>>24519997
filtered HARD
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 9:31:16 PM No.24521345
>>24521144
Not my problem you don't speak proper German.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 10:44:50 PM No.24521493
>>24520137
Maybe it only sounds that way to modern Germans.
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 10:46:48 PM No.24521497
>>24521493
This. Only pre-1945 German is real German.