If you haven't read this book, leave this place NOW.

>>24519816 (OP)
Wrong translation

>>24519819
Do you not speak Ancient Greek, bro?

Aeneid > Iliad > Metamorphoses > Odyssey

>>24519841
What about Dante and MIlton

>>24519841
>>24519852
The Odyssey is the foundational text of our culture, all of those others aren't, came later.

>>24519819
I know this is bait but it still has to be stated that wilson’s translation is dogshit.

>>24519862
can't wrap around your head that the first woman translation should surpass the importance of the translation's quality?

>>24519854
The Iliad predates the Odyssey.

>>24519864
Caroline Alexander
Kazimiera Jeżewska

my mom read it to me

>>24519878
So? The Odyssey still had greater cultural influence.

>>24519862
What’s wrong with it?

t. Voß translation enjoyer

>>24519816 (OP)
>translated by Bobby Fag

>>24519816 (OP)
>Fagles
Fuck you cunt, Lattimore.

honestly the odyssey isn't that good, it's funny how hyped up normies are for that movie slop

>>24520454
Nobody said it's good, but it's important for everything that came afterwards, so you should have read it, if you want to discuss /lit/erature seriously.

i forced myself through the iliad and it was pretty tiresome. so much of it was just undifferentiated sludge of people charging at each other.

partway through i recognized it was more cogent to, in place of these statuesque physical descriptions of men at war, to instead imagine fat queer theater boys being dramatic. men who take selfies. it made more sense with all of the pomp and show they have in there about Respect Battlefield Glory Dominance and Masculinity and whatever the fuck

pic related. i want these freaks out of my life. i dont want to spend more time in their headspace I just want them to go away. its all so fucking tiresome.

>>24520625
Clearly you chose a dry, humdrum translation. Many such cases.
Meet the poet who truly vitalised the Iliad in English.

>>24520629
Whoops, wrong pic

My hot takes:
>The Odyssey part of the Aeneid is better than the Odyssey
>The Iliad is better than the Iliad part of the Aeneid
>Overall: Aeneid > Odyssey > Iliad
>Dante is the greatest epic poet of all time and the Commedia the greatest literary achievement
>Milton and Spenser don't measure up, but are still good.

>>24520631

>>24519816 (OP)
>leave this place NOW
This is still good advice, whether you've read the Odyssey or not.

>>24520751
Alexander Pope, who, Samuel Jonhson said, made the greatest translation to which no age nor nation can compare

>>24520765
And Richard Bentley said, "It is a pretty poem, Mr. Pope, but you must not call it Homer."

>>24519854
The Metamorphoses is more foundational. Even though most of the myths are known from earlier sources, Ovid established the definitive versions of them.

>>24519854
>the Iliad came later than the Odyssey

>>24519816 (OP)
And go where, to an Odyssey?

>>24519841
It's crazy you put them in the exact backwards order LOL. Aeneid is for boring prudes

>>24520846
Yes, not even Greece could compare to it

>>24520629
A different translation isn't going to save a plotfag.

Mid

>reading school books for fun
kys

>>24522175
Are 16?

>>24522175
In which country do you read that in school?

>>24523135
In the world of diminishing returns which is where you seem to be living

>>24523140
I don't understand that sentence.

>>24523144
You wouldn't and you never will

>>24523146
Just articulate yourself in a clear manner. It's not hard. You try to sound mysterious, so others will think that you're smart.

>>24523149
Alright. I’ll humor you. Which country in the world it takes more soldiers and dead bodies to occupy it and liberate it than the physical minerals are worth? I love there…

>>24523198
Portugal??

>>24523198
>I love there
Where do you live though?

>>24519816 (OP)
Heh, robert FAGles

>>24520629
I read the David West translation of the Aeneid and it was a fucking chore. I plan on reading the Fagles one soon, though.

I tried reading different verse translations but it's fucking shite, it's like you are stumbling through the words idk how people do it

>>24523488
Learn German and read the Voß translation

>>24523498
I'm not learning a language, least of all German, to read some 2000 year old Marvelslop

>>24523507
filtered

>>24519816 (OP)
I tried reading this twice, my E.S.L self got filtered hard

>>24519878
Proof?

>>24523709
Literally just read a translation in your native language, it's that simple!

>>24523719
It takes place earlier so it must have been written earlier duh

>>24520625
I don't get your gripe. Aeneas' speech about his ancestry and then giving gifts to Diomedes is the only time they show decorum in the midst of a battle.

>>24519854
You're embarrassing yourself

>>24523507
Are you a rabbinicalist?

>>24519854
It literally has the Red Wedding.

'Famous Atrides, lord of men Agamemnon!
What fatal stroke of destiny brought you down?
Wrecked in the ships when lord Poseidon roused
some punishing blast of stormwinds, gust on gust?
Or did ranks of enemies mow you down on land
as you tried to raid and cut off herds and flocks
or fought to win their city, take their women?'
The field marshal's ghost replied at once:
'Royal son of Laertes, Odysseus, mastermind of war,
I was not wrecked in the ships when lord Poseidon
roused some punishing blast of stormwinds, gust on gust,
nor did ranks of enemies mow me down on land —
Aegisthus hatched my doom and my destruction,
killed me, he with my own accursed wife ...
he invited me to his palace, sat me down to feast
then cut me down as a man cuts down some ox at the trough!
So I died — a wretched, ignominious death — and round me
all my comrades killed, no mercy, one after another,
just like white-tusked boars
butchered in some rich lord of power's halls
for a wedding, banquet or groaning public feast.
You in your day have witnessed hundreds slaughtered,
killed in single combat or killed in pitched battle, true,
but if you'd laid eyes on this. would have wrenched your heart-
how we sprawled by the mixing-bowl and loaded tables there,
throughout the palace, the whole floor awash with blood.
But the death-shriek of Cassandra, Priam's daughter —
most pitiful thing I heard! My treacherous queen,
Clytemnestra, killed her over my body, yes, and I,
lifting my fists, beat them down on the ground,
dying, dying, writhing around the sword.
But she, that whore, she turned her back on me,
well on my way to Death — she even lacked the heart
to seal my eyes with her hand or close my jaws.

>>24520454
>kills you and your twenty friends with my dad

>>24519816 (OP)
>Fagles
Is it a pseud translation for old audiences or a better one for modern?