Thread 24519876 - /lit/ [Archived: 689 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:55:14 AM No.24519876
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How did the Greeks reconcile the fact that Odysseus' virtue for which he's rewarded in Iliad, in imitating Athena, is deception?
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 9:12:43 AM No.24519901
>>24519876 (OP)
it's not something that needs reconciling. it's a good idea to deceive your enemies. deception is the essence of warfare.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 9:16:21 AM No.24519907
everything i say is right plato
everything i say is right plato
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Tricking a fellow tribesman is bad.
Tricking a foreigner for the sake of your tribesmen is good.
(((Universal individualist))) moralism is evil.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 9:22:50 AM No.24519914
>>24519876 (OP)
Odysseus and all the Argive heroes are punished on their way home for their lack of piety in destroying Troy. Athena tries to protect Odysseus for a while but eventually he goes too far and can't escape being sent on a decades-long exile. That's probably got something to do with how they reconcile it.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 9:58:50 AM No.24519972
>>24519876 (OP)
Trickery and underhanded tactics were perfectly fine in antiquity as long as it gives your result. It's not until Christianity and the rise of the chivalry romance that stuff such as honor become the virtue above all others. Old testament itself is full of trickery
I guess the Romans as well had the whole kill yourself to save your honor thing which was in turn influenced by platonic dialogues, but they were as well very far removed from the times of the iliad or even just when the iliad was written
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 10:47:34 AM No.24520036
he was great at rhetoric