>Went to the library yesterday
>Woman brings a toddler in who starts screaming
>This goes on for about ten minutes until she leaves
>One developmentally disabled girl with her caretaker keeps grunting and tapping her desk while her caretaker is using her phone
>Another one is at the computers and lets out loud laughing sounds
>This goes on for an hour and a half
>Give up on studying, go to see if I can find any books to read.
>One shelf of horizontally-displayed magazines (half of which are printed sheets of paper advising that the real magazine is at the front desk “due to theft”).
>Four sections of pulp fiction
>Two (mostly empty) shelves of actual books, one of those being dedicated to social justice books which are again displayed with the cover visible.
>A Middle Eastern family comes in and their son starts screaming
>This goes on until I leave.
There were at least 6 people working there managing a collection of less than a thousand books. The city is spending around $4.2 million dollars on this one library.

>>24520483 (OP)
Now you understand the grift

Libraries and parks are the only reason i have a modicum of hope for society. A library is such a great tool for learning, and you dont need to be rich to use it. Free computer use, books, book on taoes, movies, clubs, classes, monthly events.

>>24520483 (OP)
Sorry bro, if your city is less than 90% white you can't enjoy the library. Law of the country.

I seriously don't believe there's a single person whose life turned out better because the library was free, and who otherwise would have had a worse life outcome. We have to start charging for libraries, or create private ones.

>>24520508
You came from a middle class family who could afford a computer

>>24520508
Neck yourself, you overprivileged fucking trust-fund baby.
My family was dirt-poor and the one source of free amusement in my shithole of a home town was its library.
My love of reading arose out of economic necessity. It ultimately led me to university, and the lucrative white-collar job that nobody else in my family had ever had.

>my old city had a library with thousands and thousands of books, all genres and authors, known and obscure, quarantined, sound-proof rooms for the kids, lovely walking trails through the forest with occasional benches, and a bi-yearly cheap book sale
>My new city has libraries that are 90% study space or conference rooms, less than 2,000 books total, most of which are "curated," meaning only the newest or most normie tier of literature, and the building is surrounded by soulless McApartments.

It's really grim. The strange part is the new city raves about their libraries while the old one just kinda shrugged about them

>>24520483 (OP)
It is wrong for these breeders to not control their children and to not respect the library. The library is a sacred place and to not control your fucking little rats is a sin.

>go to library
>woman talking on her phone next to her screaming toddler
>library staff asks her to leave
>she refuses
>state police wearing red armbands arrive and take her and her child away
>never see them at the library (or in general) again
>a middle eastern family comes in and their son starts screaming
>state police in red arm bands arrive
>they deport the family to palestine while arming them heavily and training them for the ongoing fight against the zionist entity
>see shelf of horizontally-displayed magazines and social justice books
>in a section with the placard "forbidden gay shit"
>a charred skeleton lies next to the shelf with its arm outstretched toward it
>homeless guy comes in
>he doesn't make it past the crushers
>black guy is using the computers
>state police in red armbands arrive
>they ask him what he's doing
>he says "playing Street Fighter"
>they nod and leave

>>24520601
My library used to be the first one but they changed it and now its the second one. The foreign languages section is abysmal.
Years ago we also had smaller libraries scattered around my city and the small one nearby had as much to offer as my central one does now.

>>24520601
They want you to check out e-books. Unfortunatly, in the future, many libraries will be smaller and largely paperless.

>>24520606
utopia

>>24520483 (OP)
Its make work for the 6 people there and probably 10 other employees of that facility. it's a place for the homeless to go for respite. to shit. to vomit. a place for trannies to indoctrinate your kids. in short, it's a bastion of our civilization

>>24520607
>>24520609
The good news is there's a great book store. From the outside, and even upon first impression, it seems like the most Barnes and Noble ass place catering to weebs and Disney adults, but I'm not kidding when I say it has the best selection of books of any store I've ever been in. The literature section alone is 50 feet long, and the workers often don't even know what is and isn't literature, so you'll find all sorts of great writers in the general fiction area, which is maybe 10 aisles of 100 foot shelves. It's an insane find disguised as a slop factory. I've rarely seen a book above 5 dollars

>>24520483 (OP)
People love to talk about how great libraries are, but the library experience is usually bad. The book you want? Some faggot just rented it. Want to sit and read? A bench by the lake is preferable.
I do enjoy writing at the library though, it helps me focus. It’s pretty much how I wrote my entire master’s thesis.

>>24520500
I like the idea of libraries and parks even though I’m fairly user-pays about everything else, but the experience I had yesterday just makes me think we’d be better off scrapping them.
>>24520508
William Kamkwumba’s Boy Who Harnessed the Wind is a good counterpoint here; he built a windmill in Malawi in the 2000s using diagrams he found in library books. I don’t think this kind of thing is as common in western countries because primary and secondary education are already free. I’ve seen people using the computers for job applications and students using them to study, so I can see the value they (should) provide, but I don’t see the point in turning them into third-rate community centers that are too loud to use for either purpose.

>>24520606
>they nod and leave
lol

>>24520589
>he doesn't know about Obama phones

>>24520645
>phones

>>24520508
>I seriously don't believe there's a single person whose life turned out better because the library was free, and who otherwise would have had a worse life outcome.
Ray Bradbury

>>24520598
I simply don't believe that you otherwise would have failed to find out this love of reading, via the free school system, or that you otherwise would have failed to attend college.

>>24520635
I think you may just have a stick up your butt. Those "screaming kids" are getting exposed to literature. I went to a library the other day and a kid was asking the librarian about some book series about a sea serpent. Sure, kids aren't going to be well behaved all the time, but that's okay. Be a little more understanding. Also, there are usually places meant for studying, in my city library they are upstairs and designed for quiet studying where kids don't typically go. Failing that, if you have a university or college nearby, you can usually get a library card even if you're not a student and just go to their library. Then you can avoid spastics and kids entirely.

>>24520483 (OP)

The only issue our libraries deal with are the proliferation of smelly homeless folk just occupying benching to charge their phones. Sorry to hear you live in a hellhole

This didn't happen.

>>24520500
How old are you unc???

>>24520866
You can't develop a love of reading without a good choice of actual books. Only the library offered this to me.
It was the teachers who chose what books were studied in class, and their main concern was not to lose the slower learners. Only independent reading allows you to develop literacy at your own pace.

>>24521376
Back when I was in elementary school, the class would always have its own library. I read those books way more often than the school or public library's. Also my mum had no compunction spending a lot of money on books for me so usually if I liked a book (that I didn't own) enough she'd buy me a copy.

>>24520483 (OP)
Anything free is shit. It will inevitably be ruined by brown people or drug addicts. You should have learned this when growing up.

>>24521347
32

>>24520483 (OP)
We must genocide the parasites. The criminals, the foreigners, the third worlders, the stupid, the weak, the useless. The envious soulless retarded npcs and animals that make up the vast majority of human biomass all deserve to be exterminated.

>>24521156
>Those "screaming kids" are getting exposed to literature.
The first one I could forgive, the Middle Eastern one was with his dad, who was on his laptop. Truthfully the developmentally disabled girls were making the most noise; I’m not trying to be an edgelord here but with so many other spaces available, is there really any need for them to be in a library, making noise?
>Also, there are usually places meant for studying, in my city library they are upstairs and designed for quiet studying where kids don't typically go.
Neither of the libraries in my city are like this; they are both open concept. My school’s library is the way you’re describing and it’s great but it’s a half hour drive.
>>24521158
I’m in a midscale suburb away from mass transit so this has never been an issue. The first and last time I saw a homeless person in my city was in 2010.
>>24521168
It did.
>>24521383
This was my experience, too. My mom always bought me books as a kid. I still have a ton that I’ve never read.

>>24520483 (OP)
Enjoying the civilizational collapse + decline? It'll go on for a while yet, OP. Took like 500 years for SPQR to fall back in the day.

>>24521641
you belong to at least 4 of those categories lol

The library never has anything I want to read and it usually takes me longer than two weeks to read a book anyways, sometimes significantly longer.

I tried going to the library to escape the distractions of my computer
There were children singing and clapping in the kid's section and then when I went to the study area there was a mentally disabled person who kept on repeating the same burst of unintelligible noise for 10 minutes, they sounded like a parrot, whilst their keeper tried talking to them as if they could understand anything at all
Eventually their keeper decided enough was enough and took them away
I went a few more times and there was just no peace and quiet there
People just kept on talking, whether it was friends chatting or the library providing free counseling
My university library was paradise in comparison

There's maybe a 50% chance when I go to a library the experience is worth it.
Otherwise I can count on
- homeless bums
- fat ugly lesbians performatively making out (to provoke a reaction which they can sue for)
- meth heads in the bathroom
- RAINBOW !! everywhere
- retarded boomers loudly not knowing how to use the computers

God knows what it's like in some major city with lots of illegals or niggers.
I wouldn't ever let my kids into one of those cursed places.

>>24520508
My parents likely would not have taken me and my siblings to the library if it weren't free and didn't have a story time thing where a librarian would read a children's book to us. Weekly trips to the library, and access to tons of books for free, instilled in me a lifetime love of reading and led to me having a collection of over a thousand books behind me as I type these words.

That said, my siblings and I were respectful and well-behaved in the library. I see no reason that people shouldn't be forcefully evicted if they're being noisy or otherwise disturbing.

>>24520508
Jew

>>24520627
>rented
Borrowed.

You've been beaten so hard you flinch at a caress

>>24521889
Uncanny how similar our experiences were.
>>24521894
Besides the social justice section I actually didn’t see anything that terrible (maybe because so many families visit?). By comparison my university’s library is quiet but the librarians are all terminal Redditors, and the library reflects that.

>>24520508
>I seriously don't believe there's a single person whose life turned out better because the library was free
What about: Every homeless person ever?

>>24520606
I got semi-hard

>>24520508
Some of the best books I've read have been from the library. I'm just finishing up reading Journey to the West from the library. And before that I finished No Longer Human.
The library has not improved my life, but it has helped me distract myself from how shit I've made it.

>>24520483 (OP)
You seem alright anon, so I'll spoonfeed you: you have to tip the librarians to get access to the real library. Something small like $100 should be enough but if they feign ignorance you might have to tip upwards of $1000.
Happy reading!

My biggest complaint is that most librarys I am in have some sort of all one room tall ceiling floorplan so you can literally hear the dumb bitch at the front desk tell the black woman she likes her shoes, and of course hear the screaming kids and the cart girl crashing into the shelfs
When I am annoyed by these noises i will usually make weird funny noises or yell "wow this is a library and i can hear the conversations on the otherside of the building"
Like plz design a better floorplan next time losers

>>24520483 (OP)
You need to go to University libraries, not public ones

>>24520508
Kill yourself

I live in a small town, go to the local library once every few weeks. Most of my reading are ebooks, but I like to have some paper stuff on hand.
Have yet to encounter a single other reader, despite spending there at least 30-40 minutes each time, mostly to chat with bored librarians.
4 or 5 people work there to do basically nothing.

>>24521889
>they, their

go back to TikTok

>hang out in librarium
>barely other guys there it's usually some really old guys at most or some autists playing roblox on the public computers
>male workers are low T and/or overweight
>decent looking female staff some that seem shy

Wait a minute is this the ideal place to get a harem? If you had manson tier charisma and decently /fit/pilled you could be shooting fish out of a barrel. All the chads are too busy competing in the gymnasium thunderdome. /fitlit/ pill real?

I run a private library in a medium sized city. It turns a profit, barely, if I pay myself a meager amount. I started this business after similar frustrations as people ITT.
Some of the things I've been able to do with the membership fees that make it a better experience than a normal library:
>Free coffee bar
>Closed floorplan, for privacy and noise
>Books were initially seeded with my own tastes and bestseller slop, but members can also request books and it doesn't take me months to order them
>Keeps out the homeless and niggers
>Can kick out anyone I want for any reason (haven't needed to yet)
>Free day lockers and rented monthly lockers
>Can provide various free unattended things like phone chargers and paperweights that would get stolen immediately in a normal library

>>24520508
Me. I wouldn't have been able to read really any of the books I read when I was a kid without the library.

>>24523442
How much does a membership cost? Do you cater to children and families at all?

>>24520508
A particularly Jewish post.
>>24520483 (OP)
>university library is the largest in the state and also a public library
>absolutely dead in the summer
>maybe only 2-3 people if that on the bottom floor
>can blast headphones at full volume while reading, researching, and writing without a single person to worry about
Try not living in a shithole, maybe?

>>24520483 (OP)
>>24520606
??? public spaces and services are not made for you, assholes, they are made to serve women. In fact you going to library should be banned, you should be instead at work generating tax revenue so that the state can indirectly give it to women.

>join new library in my town
>they charge to reserve books
>never take a single book out
I don't carry spare change ever. I don't even want to know how much money they're losing on transaction fees to this.

>>24523846
My library doesnt even have late fees anymore

Libraries (at least in America) are nothing but homeless shelters/retirement homes filled with lgbtq shit that nobody reads. Without fail you will see at least 3 crackheads using one of the computers to look at Facebook.

>>24523896
I went to the local library since they have a small selection of jap authors no one else in the city has and I soon as I walked in there was a nigger masturbating to porn on one of the computers. Lmao at the security guard being paid to do nothing and the librarian paying out the ass for a library science masters degree to babysit schizo niggers.

>>24523785
The normal membership is $150 per year and there is a separate, small children's room. It is rarely used though. We get mostly old people.

>reading in the public library like the smelly bum I am
>teenage girls arrive to wait for their parents after school

>>24521889
>My university library was paradise in comparison
The sheer amount of prime pussy in my university library was a constant distraction from reading.

>>24524515
Terminate the pedophile's command.

>used to love going to the library growing up (and throughout high school)
>oasis from shitty school life and tumultuous home life
>library was underfunded then
>it changed location maybe 15 years ago
>I've only gone once since
>kinda want to go when I'm on vacation in a week
>town is primarily white, though I'm not sure what flavours of deviants are there
>probably poors and perverts using the computers as a wank bank

I'm probably better off using the library app on my phone

>>24521889
>went to university about 15 years ago
>a fat weeb would always be on 4chan on the computers at the University library
>See him around town after I finish
>he seemed cool, if a little socially awkward.
Haven't seen him in a while. Hope he's doing well

>>24524808
Jesus which country are you in?

>>24524813
Take a guess, big sexy

>>24520508
>We have to start charging for libraries, or create private ones.
Charging for computer use ($1/minute) is going to eliminate 70% of modern library problems, put in strict librarians who won't be afraid to eject problem "patrons" and you solved another 15%.

>>24520508
>or create private ones
Private libraries have existed for centuries.

>>24524543
Many countries and many states age of consent is at 16 or younger, prime teen years.

>>24525399
That would require a security guard to eject them which the town council would not fund. Seattle main library for example would need to eject probably 80 homeless people per day or more

>>24525471
USA is barely even centuries old. There is not a single private library in Utah, where I live, except the university libraries. Even NYC only has a few. Hard to compete with free.

>>24526391
What the fuck are private libraries even?

>>24526395
Like a public library, but not owned by the government, and not free

>>24523442
>>24524500
How on earth do you fund a year's worth of rent, utilities, free coffee etc on a membership that cheap? It must be much more popular than you're giving yourself credit for.

>>24526696
There are higher tiers of membership that some people have, and we have somewhere around 350 members, all of which works out to not much more than the rent plus my bills. I am nearly independently wealthy so this venture only has to pay my bills, not my retirement.
We also function as a book store; people can decide to keep the books they have checked out, or ask us to order a new copy for them.

The business model is basically the same as this one I visited long ago in NYC, but cheaper since it's not in NYC. https://www.nysoclib.org/membership-options

The idea is just making a space people like enough to drive out and read there instead of at home. If they wanted to read at home they could just get the books from a free library. Without much square footage, this is difficult; it really boils down to comfortable chairs, clean bathrooms, free coffee, aggressive noise policy, etc just try to make it comfortable.

From surveys, our attrition mostly comes from "Not enough time to read anymore" from mostly the younger people with jobs, which is something I'm not sure how to combat.

>>24526842
That reminds me, we don't do the typical library glued/taped plastic cover. It's much cosier to have unprotected hardcovers. While we can get books through the normal bookstore channels, we've been unable to get a consistent source for library-bound books (basically hardcovers but more durable) because we are not a "real" library.
This is unfortunate because the hardcovers do show wear much quicker than the library-bound books would, but I still feel it's worth it to leave them unprotected. Those plastic covers are so sterile and, well, metaphorically plastic. Our business runs on vibes primarily, so the books ought to seem like they came from your personal shelf.
Usually someone will buy the book before it needs to be replaced, so it isn't that big of a loss. The used books are priced according to their condition.
(none of this applies to the children's section)

>>24523442
i doubt you feel comfortable enough to share this information considering the language in your post, but where is it located? i'm interested

>>24520483 (OP)
digital is the way
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yeah bro i love reading unscaled jpgs instead of books. really the future

>>24520508
>or create private ones.
You aren't a member of one?

>>24520483 (OP)
cool

>>24527085
Holy Fuck... That's A Lot Of BASED CONTENT... You Must Be A "Chad Hyperborean..." Holy Fucking Shit ... Can You Own Those? Is That Illegal? God Fucking Damn You're "Based"...

>>24520483 (OP)
>The city is spending around $4.2 million dollars on this one library.
They should sped more