What's the verd/lit/ct on this book?

>>24521087 (OP)
kino

>praise the novel with my mother, a longtime fan of the musical
>she picks it up
>gets confused at first because it focuses on "some priest"
>have to connect the dots for her between that priest and the same character in the play

>>24521087 (OP)
The essays are the best parts.

>>24521103
>the play
It's a musical, not legitimate theatre.

>>24521087 (OP)

It's been a long time since I read it, but I remember the part about the abbey (it's establishment and history and whatnot) to be the most tedious and long-winded departure from the main story. I ended up skipping a good portion of it because it felt like it had nothing to do with any of the characters until the end

He should've scrapped the essays and the filler.

Possibly the best book ever written IMO. Only Anna Karenina comes close.
>Everything that happens to Fantine
>Javert top 10 villains ever
>The pages about Waterloo are kino of the highest order
I like it when Hugo just explains some obscure thing to do with French culture. Splendid book. Worth every word.

>>24521213
>Javert
>villain
The beauty of a great piece like Les Mis is that you don't have "villains" and "heroes" like Harry Potter. Writing human characters as "Good" and "Evil" is pure laziness on an amateur author's part.

>>24521981
Yeah, I guess antagonist would have been more apt. However, I disagree with the point. Not every character needs to be multifaceted. Allegorical characters work better as good or evil. Javert isn't an allegory, so yeah I agree with that... Thoughsoeverbeit

>>24521111
Digits confirms

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>>24522027
Both javert and valjean are based on different aspects of one man. I forget his name but he was a convict turned chief of police. When read this way the novel takes a deeper meaning than the political agitprop it is frequently depicted as in Hollyjew movies.

>>24522027
Inspector Javert in Les Misérables is partly inspired by Eugène François Vidocq, a real-life French criminal who became a police officer. Victor Hugo, the author of Les Misérables, also drew on Vidocq's life for the character of Jean Valjean. Javert's relentless pursuit of justice, his rigid adherence to the law, and his internal conflict between law and mercy are all elements that resonate with Vidocq's story.

Basically his redeeming qualities were made into Valjean and his more heartless qualities became Javert. The novel can be read this way as a man's struggle against himself.

Confusing worldbuilding, not much creativity. Filler essays, only thing interesting is the protagonist's character development and leveling up, reminds me of some isekai.

>>24522027
Thoughsoeverbeitful, unless we're talking about a fantasy author writing a literal demon (character largely defined as being explicitly a personification of evil, that sort of thing), any major character that isn't multifaceted is a bit lazy. Even Hitler was a sensitive man who loved dogs - that's a meme but you get the point.

"Why did the villain do it?" "Well, originally he was trying to avenge the wrongful death of his brother, who was piloting a merchant vessel through the Canal when..." can lead to good character development, while "Because he was evil, and just hated good, and also punched babies for fun and listened to Nickelback while he ate breakfast" just turns it into slop.

Thoughsoeverbeitfulregardless, I get that writing is an art and you can't police artists for using the 'wrong' brush. I just personally think it's lazy and George Lucas "Palpatine was bad because he was really bad" slop tier.

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>>24522302
That's really interesting, I'd never heard that about Les Mis before but I have similar ideas about other novels, where two opposing characters seem to represent different parts of a single man in the author's head.

>>24522335
This will sound pleb as heck but Confrontation from the musical portrays quite well the opposing aspects of Valjean and Javert- rehabilitative justice vs justice as punishent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SWaGfkPxA

>You know nothing of javert I was born inside a jail. I was born to scum like you. I am from the gutter too

Vidocq would have been on the side of justice as punishment despite his beginnings.