I read his Mythology book and thought what the hey, give this a try. What the fuck am I reading? I'm about 100 pages in and this feels like one long schizo post about how everyone is descended from the Sea People who worshipped the White Goddess who is the true deity of Europe.

That is because it is a schizo post, OP. Graves was a bisexual mentally-unstable faggot as he told you in "Goodbye To All That"

>>24521436
I am unfamiliar with his other work and have only read his mythology collection. I was debating reading I, Claudius but that might be out the window after this.

I Claudius was his best, apart from Goodbye To All That (the gay memoir).

>>24521441
Maybe I'll still give it a chance. I did find it funny in the beginning of White Goddess that he goes on a tirade about how people accused him of not properly backing up his claims with evidence and 100 pages later still hasn't offered any evidence to any of his never ending claims.

>>24521431 (OP)
hahahahahaha filtered. You are basically right so far, but there is more to it than that

>>24521431 (OP)
Doesn't he say that only the Irish can be poets or some retarded nonsense like that?

>>24521448
Seems to be only the Irish and Welsh, but only the ones who weren't court poets after the Christian conquest of the British islands or something like that.

>>24521440
I, Claudius is more of a standard novel. TWG is just schizo ramblings.

>>24521431 (OP)
>>24521440
The White Goddess an amusing piece of speculation. Graves was more qualified than most to write it, since he was immersed in classical history (not to say prehistory.)
For this reason, you definitely should read I, Claudius, which also largely consists of informed speculation, but with a heavy dose of sly mischief. It's scholarly and entertaining at the same time.

>>24521431 (OP)
>everyone is descended from the Sea People who worshipped the White Goddess who is the true deity of Europe.
But everyone is descended from the Sea People who worshipped the White Goddess who is the true deity of Europe.

>>24521446
>>24521448
His evidence is literally that only Irish people can be poets and that it came to me in a dream. I find this evidence suasive. Also I Claudius is full of white goddess shit.

>>24521910
So hyperstition.

So what you're saying is that Nick Land travelled back in time and became Robert Graves? At least in my head canon he did, and if I believe Hard Enough then Sonichu will drug me, break all my limbs, flay me alive, trap me in a wicker cage, half hang me until I ejaculate and then set me on fire while transvestite Christopher Lee watches?

>>24521431 (OP)
TWG is mostly just bonkers. RG's thing about women being kinda cool in the right light at the right angle has some truth to it. But like most people with a pet theory he pushes it way too far and won't listen to reason.

Read the book if you find it entertaining, but don't slog dutifully through it hoping to get some great insight. It won't give you one.

Robert Graves:
>pre-indo-european europe/near east were femdom matriarchies
>men were chattel and possessions of women
>no male gods
>self-evident to everybody that women = gods and gods = women
>dating = woman pointing at you and saying "you may have the honor of being my property"
>have to kowtow/proskynesis to every woman you see
>women instinctively uppity and aware they are divine beings
>throw their weight around constantly
>raise an eyebrow at you if you don't get out of their way quickly enough
>goddess of beauty and fertility
>MILF odinesque wisdom goddess
>tomboy war goddess
>universal homogeneous femdom state
>mfw

>>24522006
It's interesting and at times funny. At one point he quotes Ovid just to say that Ovid has no clue about a Roman god/myth. He also seems very angry that none of the Welsh academics would answer his letters. When he opened the book with this I assumed that Welsh myth would figure very little into it since he didn't hear back from anyone about it, but nope, he keeps circling back to Wales.

>>24522025
Apparently the book is heavily influenced by his first wife. My guess is she pegged him.

>>24522025
You're forgetting that there are two kings, hot twin 15 year old boys. One rules for a year as in he eats and drinks and represents sacred masculinity as a hot twink teen, and at the end of the year he's drugged, repeatedly raped, has all his bones broken, his skin flayed off him, he's half hanged to ejaculation, and then burnt alive.

The other bloke is (anti-)king on that day so that there's still a king and then just gets killed the day after.

I think Graves preferred them to be redheads or blondes. The kings that is. Women of course were enormously fat.

>>24522006
Ehh, if you view it as an exploration of the Jungian interior of Graves using greek and jewish mythic systems as an interrogative device, Graves' claims about mythic history are then claims about Graves' own sexual functioning. But yeah, Sonichu territory. Pants down and wank along.

>>24521431 (OP)
It is. He had a /lit/jewess paramour with very pale skin and it was her idea, but it was as much a product of the fetishistic relationship she had with him and one of his wives as much as it was a serious theory. She even tried to sue him over it for intellectual copyright years later.

I was planning to read his books on Greek mythology and the Bible but this thread is discouraging. Are they just as fucked?

>>24522048
In Greek Myths his compilation of existing sources is okay, but his explanation of the myths meaning is White Goddess Sex Cult. His presentation of the myths in sequence as if they're developing an argument about kings, sexual sacrifices and divine feminiting being raped into submission is White Goddesss Sex Cult.

King Jesus is actually a really interesting book about Jesus trying to be sacrificed as a divine king, but failing. But it is written in The White Goddess Sex Cult universe.

Robert Graves is just Omega Verse except for men.

>>24522048

TWG is pretty much the worst RG book to start with because you're likely to just write the guy off as a nutcase and not try anything else, which means you'll miss out, because he wrote a lot of good stuff.


The historical novels vary. He claims he was just writing them to make money but he almost always uses them to try to advance some contrarian view:—

e.g. People say MILTON GOOD so he writes Wife To Mr Milton showing that Milton was a complete tool. (I pretty much agree with this; I think Milton probably WAS a tool as a person.)

Or, Suetonius says EMPEROR CLAUDIUS WAS USELESS so he writes I, Claudius showing that Claudius was actually pretty sharp and underappreciated. Not sure I buy his version but it makes for two good books.

Or, Dante says JUSTINIAN WAS GREAT so he writes Count Belisarius showing that Justinian was a degenerate piece of shit who just envied Belisarius because B. was brave and he wasn't. (To be fair, I don't think historians ever agreed with Dante on this one.)

Or, people think "JESUS MUST HAVE BEEN A REALLY NICE CHILD" so he writes King Jesus painting Jesus as an obnoxious smart-aleck kid trying to trip up the Rabbis with abstruse theology.

etc

However, this doesn't mean the books are bad. They're generally pretty good. You just need a pinch of salt here and there.


He wrote a lot of poetry and there's some great stuff in there but you have to search for it. I went over the whole lot recently and it's about 1200 pages or something the way I formatted it. He brought out a single-volume "Collected Poems" every decade or so, just including the stuff he felt was worth keeping. The last of these (1975 IIRC) is OK, but it's not perfect. He keeps some crap and throws away some good stuff. But going through everything is a slog. (About 1 poem is 10 is OK, and 1 in 50 is very good.)


SOME NON-FICTION
— ‘Goodbye To All That’ is OK.
— ‘The Crowning Privilege’ is a collection of essays on poetry and it's hilariously biased (he HATES Nietzsche, lol he hates him so much) but does have some incisive comments.
— His book on plain English (‘The Reader Over Your Shoulder’) is not great. It's trying to get rid of pretentious crap (a bit like Strunk and White) but I think it was just done too fast, as a potboiler.
— ‘On English Poetry’ is idiosyncratic (as usual) and quite slim (so probably another potboiler) but worth a look. Mostly it's from the ‘inside’; he's writing as a poet (good) rather than as a critic (not good).

>>24522043
>Women of course were enormously fat.

>>24522064
I should add:

His Greek Myths is pretty much fine. He does go off on White Goddess rants every now and then but it's usually pretty obvious when he does it and you can usually just ignore those bits (they're often in footnotes and so on).

>>24522043
Shit like that and the flips who had to get penile piercings else women wouldn't fuck em and I get why pagans converted to patriarchal faiths.

>>24521958
No big difference. Nick Land is gay, Robert Graves is cool.

>>24522043
lol I remember you, you're Insane Man Who Thinks Robert Graves Was A Masochistic Lunatic Who Wanted To Be Ritually Disembowelled, Anally Raped And Eaten By Hot Women With Long Hair.

I mean you're probably right but come on, look at what the poor guy went through:

— English public school system
— World War I
— Marriage to raging feminist
— Menage-a-trois with raging feminist psycho-bitch Jewess who thought she was a poetic genius

With that start in life it's amazing he was as sane as he was.

>>24522084
You do realise that the sacred king has to be anally raped to become a woman as part of his sacred transformations? How is that not gay. I mean it is cool, but how is it not also gay.

>>24522090
homosexuality is tolerated inasmuch as it contributes to the veneration of the White Goddess. Per your example, as a symbolic act it fails to transgress against the necessary ideological framework of goddess worship so it's fine.

>>24522089
>With that start in life it's amazing he was as sane as he was.
I'm not saying he didn't have reasons, or that the reasons weren't good ones.

>Insane Man Who Thinks Robert Graves Was A Masochistic Lunatic Who Wanted To Be Ritually Disembowelled, Anally Raped And Eaten By Hot Women With Long Hair.
But you have to be honest, this is the best erotic CNC universe ever. Totally beats Twilight.

>>24522094
So how does this mean that Nick Land isn't cool? Are sex robots that wipe your arse eternally less sexy than fat rapey chicks?

>>24522099
Yes, obviously. There is nothing sexy about mechanical stimulation; anything sexual must involve the playing out of energies across human dynamics.

>>24522094
Huh? Graves is very against homosexuality. The point is, this is men trying to be self-sufficient, which is a big no-no..

Graves says this repeatedly in The Greek Myths. It's like the idea of old-fashioned academia where women weren't allowed. Men trying to be intellectually / emotionally / sexually self-sufficient can only lead to fire and brimstone, six-lane motorways and other bad things.

This doesn't mean he's against sodomy of course. Just has to be a woman doing it. Or maybe receiving it. Who knows?

>>24522112
I remember that bit. It was when he railed against Plato/Socrates and platonic love. That such a thing is an abomination since love without consummation isn't really love or something like that. That Socrates was punished for his idea by marrying a nagging bitch.

>>24522112
Graves is against homosexuality when it is Men being Men together.
Graves is totally in favour of Divine Goddesses turning young men into women through the power of using a man to breed the other man for her pleasure.

It'll be in the sections about the Tannist and sacrificial structures. In Graves' schema is it the Sun at its Lowest Ebb can be castrated by the moon etc.

Is human romance just the masculine and feminine cosmic principles playing out their eternal dance with human avatars?

I definitely feel like sexuality has a very powerful spiritual potential that does not deserve to be handwaved away as weird sex cult shit, but I would also struggle to argue against someone claiming that almost all attempts at integrating sexuality into a spiritual framework resulted in weirdo sex cult shit that reads more like a manifesto of the author's fetishes than a genuine attempt at integrating something so fundamentally important to the human experience into the framework of spirituality.

>>24522137
>Graves is totally in favour of Divine Goddesses turning young men into women through the power of using a man to breed the other man for her pleasure.
lol Mad Anon is getting excited again.

That said, the menage-a-trois Graves was in after his marriage was MMF, wasn't it? And the woman was the psycho (Laura Riding) so she would have wanted to be Queen Bee.

I get the feeling there wasn't that much sex involved, though. She struck me as being probably frigid (which would explain why she set such a great store on being a genius poetess, when she wasn't). She just wanted the guys to worship her.

If she WAS frigid, Graves must have gone through the roof with frustration, because he was super high T. Amazing the whole mess lasted as long as it did, to be honest.

>>24522146
The Weird Sex Cult Stuff is Graves claiming that his sexual fantasies were actual Welsh and Irish pre-history, and thus the pre-history of all europe before the Proto-Indo-European speakers invaded. Here is his historical proof: "It came to me in a dream," "It reads like good poetry." That's the weird sex cult stuff: his continuous inserting of his own fantasies into accounts of the past as if they happened in the past.

As far as Mummy beating, castrating, choking, whipping and force ejaculating you that's pretty normal these days.

>>24522155
>If she WAS frigid, Graves must have gone through the roof with frustration, because he was super high T. Amazing the whole mess lasted as long as it did, to be honest.
I guess he had to spurt his fantasies into paper given he couldn't spurt them into Riding's cunt.

>>24522159
Yeah, that's what I mean. It reads like Graves writing with one hand under the desk, but something that is so inherent to life, something that animates so much of what we do, something that is the source of so much joy and intimacy between men and women, and even life itself, deserves better.

>>24522112
the bit about homosexuality being tolerated in veneration of the white goddess is a paraphrase from like the first twenty pages or so. It may be true that he used the word sodomy but if you're going to insist that he's referring to something done with a woman..... well I won't stop you

>>24521431 (OP)
btw everyone in this thread is missing the point of the book

>>24522146
There's a reason alot of modern religions just go "don't be a sexual deviant. Learn of chastity" in there doctrines.
Its easier to let them be personal spiritual endevors than form a unifying doctrine.

>>24521440
I, Claudius and Clau-Clau-Claudius the God are completely amazing and you will never be a man until you read them and then see the excellent BBC miniseries.

>>24522112
>Graves is very against homosexuality.
A good portion of "Goodbye To All That" is love letters Graves sent to young men.

>>24522082
>flips who had to get penile piercings else women wouldn't fuck em
The funniest part was that they didn't HAVE to. That was entirely of their own volition and done almost exclusively among sailors

>>24522146
Both christianity and daoism strongly recommend monogamy for sexual spiritual cultivation. Either that or abstinence (although Daoists do have that weird sexual energy vampirism thing where men try to have sex with women without cumming in order to vampirize their feminine Yin energy

>>24521431 (OP)
just read "she", it's more fun anyway

>>24522236
>btw everyone in this thread is missing the point of the book
The point is fat chicks getting off and burning 15 year old boys alive mate.

>>24522073
Honestly you can just skip his entire commentary, because it's mostly White Goddess bullshit. I'd love an edition without it because his retellings of the myths are great and he meticulously lists his sources so you can find exctly where he got certain details from.

>>24522390
gay!

>>24522482
Christianity doesn't really do or want to do anything with sexuality aside from sanctioning marriage as an institution. Though at least it's not daoistic, yeah, that energy vampirism shit sounds awful. Like I'm not a feminist or anything by any means but the way some eastern religions treat women like cattle rather than a synergistic other half is pretty appalling.

>>24522792
>Christianity doesn't really do or want to do anything with sexuality aside from sanctioning marriage as an institution.
bait?

>>24522795
What do you mean? Either stay celibate or get married and be fruitful. That is about the extent of the christian engagement with sex. There's no metaphysical angle to it for them like there is for tantric buddhists, for example.

>>24522814
It condemns sodomy. In fact there's a biblical reason why it's called "sodomy"...

>>24522822
Let me show you Gomorrahy.

>>24522390
Well one young man. But as Graves and lots of other people have pointed out, that's just a result of the English public school system which gets (got) large numbers of hormonal teenage boys and confines them with other boys and no access at all to girls.

The present-day establishment wants to suggest that as many people as possible (particularly high achievers) are / were not heterosexual. So of course they seize on this and declare definitively "Graves was bisexual", but it seems like nonsense to me. As soon as RG got access to girls he made a pretty clear choice.

He talks about the whole "homosexual phase" thing in at least one of the BBC interviews on Youtube. (IIRC, he also presents an interesting idea about Shakespeare, namely that the young boys who played female parts in the Elizabethan theatre were so good at it that people often fell for the characters they played without really falling for THEM as boys. Of course that's going to get laughed at these days, because, as mentioned, everyone desperately wants to prove that everyone is homosexual, but he might well be right.)

>>24522866
Graves doesn't mind copulating with men, but only when women are watching him do it. A society where men solely fixate on men, rather than on the divine perversity of The Woman is distasteful to him. Look at Graves' portrayal of Caligula for example.

>>24522890
>the divine perversity of The Woman
Not that anon but I'm reminded of this quote describing a painting depicting the biblical Salome's dance from Against the Grain.

>No longer was she merely the dancing-girl who extorts a cry of lust and concupiscence from an old man by the lascivious contortions of her body; who breaks the will, masters the mind of a King by the spectacle of her quivering bosoms, heaving belly and tossing thighs; she was now revealed in a sense as the symbolic incarnation of world-old Vice, the goddess of immortal Hysteria, the Curse of Beauty supreme above all other beauties by the cataleptic spasm that stirs her flesh and steels her muscles, - a monstrous Beast of the Apocalypse, indifferent, irresponsible, insensible, poisoning.

>>24522792
>Christianity doesn't really do or want to do anything with sexuality aside from sanctioning marriage as an institution.
Correct and it's the rock it splits on. If any institution fights sex, in the end, sex is going to win. But there's no way round it. Christianity is all about ignoring the pains and pleasures of this world and concentrating on the next one. And sex is the most appealing pleasure this world has to offer (at least, for most people; at least, when they're young). So Christianity is forced into being anti-sex, however much it may not want to be.

>>24522926
This one is pretty good, too.

>It was here that she was indeed Woman, for here she gave rein to her ardent and cruel temperament. She was living, more refined and savage, more execrable and exquisite. She more energetically awakened the dulled senses of man, more surely bewitched and subdued his power of will, with the charm of a tall venereal flower, on sacrilegious beds, in impious hothouses.

>>24522962
I remember commenting on this topic a while back. I found something quite startling.


I searched the King James Bible for the word ‘beauty’. What are the results?

In the Old Testament it appeared 49 times. Male beauty is praised somewhere from 10-20 times, depending how you count it. For example:

— The glory of young men is their strength: and the beauty of old men is the gray head.
[Proverbs 20:29]

or

— The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.
[Isaiah 44:13]

It’s hard to give a precise figure because often when a beautiful man is praised he is symbolic — usually a ruler representing his nation:

— His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.
[Hosea 14:6]

But this still at least partly counts, because the image is of a beautiful MAN, not a beautiful WOMAN.


Now . . .


Female beauty ISN’T PRAISED UNEQUIVOCALLY AT ALL, and it’s condemned outright twice in Proverbs:

— Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.
[Proverbs 6:25]

— Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
[Proverbs 31:30]

The Jewish nation is described as a woman in Ezekiel 16, and that’s basically to call it a whore:

— And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
— But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
[Ezekiel 16:14-15]

— Thou hast built thy high place at every head of the way, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms.
[Ezekiel 16:25]

(Compare that with the Hosea extract!)


Speaking more generally (not just the word ‘beauty’), female pulchritude is sometimes praised in the Old Testament (e.g. Song of Solomon) but rarely for its own worth. Often it’s simply valued as a weapon the Jews can use to defeat their enemies. Two famous examples:—

* Book of Esther. (Esther = hot Jewish babe; King Ahasueras likes the look of her; Jews under Ahasueras start causing trouble; Ahasueras wants to punish them; Esther persuades him to let them off.)

* Book of Judith. (Judith = hot Jewish babe; goes to Holofernes’s tent, screws him, cuts his head off.)


Things don’t change. There are hundreds of examples throughout history of H.J.B.s marrying / screwing non-Jews and converting them into pro-Jewish sentiments.

Anyone who wants to look can find at least a dozen famous contemporary instances.

>>24522890
>Graves doesn't mind copulating with men, but only when women are watching him do it.
Is there any actual evidence for this?

I hope not. Anyone can believe something when there's evidence for it. But to sustain a belief in something with no evidence whatsoever requires dedication, purpose, sheer indomitable will. Isn't that what the Doubting Thomas story is all about?


The less evidence there is for Mad Graves Anon’s frothing priapic theories, the more we should respect and cherish him.

>>24523002
Honestly though, as much as I like to think otherwise, a pair of plump khazar milkers might break even my resolve. The mind knows it should know better, but the flesh is stronger. I blame the wanderlust of my faustian spirit for making me want to bang any woman regardless of her ethnicity as long as she has a cute face and is thick in all the right places.

I knew I was in for a wild ride when this is the Foreward

"Socrates, in turning his back on poetic myths, was really turning his
back on the Moon-goddess who inspired them and who demanded that
man should pay woman spiritual and sexual homage: what is called
Platonic love, the philosopher's escape from the power of the Goddess
into intellectual homosexuality, was really Socratic love. He could not
plead ignorance: Diotima Mantinice, the Arcadian prophetess who
magically arrested the plague at Athens, had reminded him once that
man's love was properly directed towards women and that Moira,
Hithyia and Callone—Death, Birth and Beauty—formed a triad of
Goddesses who presided over all acts of generation whatsoever: physical,
spiritual or intellectual. In the passage of the Symposium where Plato
reports Socrates' account of Diotima's wise words, the banquet is inter
rupted by Alcibiades, who comes in very drunk in search of a beautiful
boy called Agathon and finds him reclining next to Socrates. Presently
he tells everyone that he himself once encouraged Socrates, who was in
love with him, to an act of sodomy from which, however, he philo
sophically abstained, remaining perfectly satisfied with night-long chaste
embraces of his beloved's.beautiful body. Had Diotima been present to
hear this she would have made a wry face and spat three times into her
bosom: for though the Goddess as Cybele and Ishtar tolerated sodomy
even in her own temple-courts, ideal homosexuality was a far more serious
moral aberrancy—it was the male intellect trying to make itself spiritually
self-sufficient."

>>24522926
which translation is that?

>>24522112
>>24524012

>>24523010
>Is there any actual evidence for this?
"It came to me in a dream,"
"It makes great poetry,"
"The Welsh and Irish did it in my imagination."

>The less evidence there is for Mad Graves Anon’s frothing priapic theories, the more we should respect and cherish him.

The less evidence there is for my assertions, the more evidence there is for my assertions. Seriously though, sit down and read White Goddess, I'm outlining the sacrificial structure pretty honestly.


Your move.

>>24523010
>>Graves doesn't mind copulating with men, but only when women are watching him do it.
>Is there any actual evidence for this?
>>24524012
>for though the Goddess as Cybele and Ishtar tolerated sodomy
>even in her own temple-courts, ideal homosexuality was a far more serious
>moral aberrancy—it was the male intellect trying to make itself spiritually
>self-sufficient."


FUCK, EVIDENCE. BETTER INVENT MORE OUTLANDISH THEORIES.

Jesus was a revolutionary who aimed to be ritually sacrificed, but in fact was left alive.

All these kind of theories make the fatal mistake of over generalizing myth. The scholars who propose these are totally blind to any higher meaning and can only muster up some sort of Freudian-secular thesis. A shame too, for they usually have great evidence, they only lack eyes to see.

>>24524514
I get what you mean. It takes the religion out of it and makes it feel too much like world building fantasy slop. I think sometimes people forget that these gods were worshipped and believed in seriously.

>>24521431 (OP)
Graves was known to indulge in magic mushrooms for "research" purposes. He believed the ancients used them in their religious ceremonies.
One effect of psychedelics is to induce credulity. You suffer all kinds of inspirations and revelations, and believe they are absolutely true. This alone explains much of The White Goddess.

>>24524514
>>24524522
Graves pretty effectively says that sacrificed kings live forever. Tanists on other hand died like normal men. You don't get how Graves actually believes that Gods were Jungian functions, and Jungian functions when socially constructed through divine rape and sacrifice are *made real*.

Graves is arguing, like Zizek, that sufficient perversion can make emotions apprehensible as-if "The Real." Ie: you don't get the entire community watching hot young fat women raping boys to death without them believing it is actually divine. Re read what happens to the wicker king. You don't take a man's skin off while he's still alive without believing that's important, mystical, and divine—unless you're Russian.

>>24524055
Baldick, probably.

>>24523002
For the Bible bit, I think it might be a instance of beauty being something ubiquitous to the idea of Woman. A woman will always have beauty, they will be beautiful and so the words goes hand to hand. The beauty of a man need ps bpti be reminded because it can often be forgotten

>>24522025
>>dating = woman pointing at you and saying "you may have the honor of being my property"
That's a good thing. I wish we could turn back time. I'm a kissless virgin because I'm socially inept but I'm also a chad so I wish we lived in a world in which women made the first move. Feminism has failed all of us because we don't live yet in that kind of society. Feminism so far has only killed Simpvalry and made women work in fabrics.

How's this?

>>24524436
>Jesus was a revolutionary who aimed to be ritually sacrificed, but in fact was left alive.
Haha, this reminds me of an Expanding Brain Meme I made back in the day:—


Tiny Brain: THE ARABS DID 9/11

Small Brain: MOSSAD DID 9/11

Big Brain: PUTIN DID 9/11, AND BUSH FLEW THE PLANE

Galaxy Brain: THE TOWERS ARE STILL STANDING


Wish I still had all those old memes. I mean I probably do somewhere but it would mean walking across the room or something.

>>24527507
Nixon and University of Chicago Economics and Team B did 9/11.

You didn't specify which 9/11.

>>24524602
Honestly could be a harmful effect to an extent, but I also do think they can actually increase creative intelligence, aesthetic appreciation, and even introspection to an extent. And not just magic mushrooms but the major serotonergic hallucinogens generally, which work very similarly (DMT, LSD, mescaline, also compounds like LSA in morning glory seeds and other seeds). But I do agree it can be a double edged sword. You can have the benefits, you can also melt your brain with it.
I hate that people have just associated it with “brain-fried leftist counterculture hippies” now though. I’ve done a whacky amount of psychedelics, but many years ago and I haven’t done them for years now, and they didn’t turn me into some drooling retard or ENTIRELY credulous hippie. I believe the unrestrained immigration from third-world countries into the West is bad for instance, just to give some credentials I guess lol.

>He believed the ancients used them in their religious ceremonies.
Some of them almost certainly did. At least some Native Americans and Mesoamericans for instance, where psilocybin mushrooms pop up a lot in their lands.
Medicine can become poison in too large a dose, and for people whom it’s contraindicated, and poison in a smaller dose might work as a tonic or medicine in itself.
A lot of weird shit was going on in the counterculture of the 60s and 70s, but I think it’s clear the government was simultaneously meddling with it and then clamped down hard on it. LSD and psilocybin being Schedule I drugs (US), or the equivalent in much of Europe, for instance.

i read this book cause i was looking for poetry craft books and thought it would give me some tips, instead it was just some weird shit about how women are perfect goddesses and not based on anything real or scientific, just some crazy homo ramblings

>>24527736
>not based on anything real
Oh it is based on The Real son, read Lacan and Jung.

>>24521431 (OP)
>I read his Mythology book
big mistake

>>24529198
It was fine as a one stop shop for all the available myths and he kept his White Goddess stuff in the notes section.

>>24522043
>Honey we're having pancakes!
>*Oh great. Buttermilk, buckwheat?
>...
>........... I'm flattening you.

>>24530501
I CAN ONLY GET SO ERECT