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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 1:32:48 AM No.24521919
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Are the modern versions of 'The Merchant of Venice' on amazon edited in some way to take out the "anti-semitism" or are they authentic? I want to read the story correctly.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 1:35:17 AM No.24521929
>>24521919 (OP)
There's nothing anti-semitic in Merchant of Venice. The play is anti-Christian because it uses forced conversion. Read the *one scene* Act 5 until you understand, pay attention to the new wife's ceasing to speak.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 1:38:11 AM No.24521936
>>24521919 (OP)
It's an antisemitic play and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't think they censor it.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 1:39:18 AM No.24521939
>>24521919 (OP)
>and are to be sold in Paules Church-yard, at the signe of the Greene Dragon. 1600
kino
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 1:41:26 AM No.24521944
>>24521939
fucking furries
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 3:00:56 AM No.24522071
>>24521936
It’s the most philo-Semitic piece of literature from the period, since England had no Jews
>Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer as a Christian is? If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 3:37:27 AM No.24522128
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>>24522071
Shylock is trying to save his ass in a very jewy way. He still wanted his pound of flesh.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 3:48:31 AM No.24522144
>>24522071
>anon takes words out of shylock's mouth to prove shakespeare was philosemitic
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 3:57:57 AM No.24522150
>>24522071
A pedophile has eyes.
A pedophile has hands, guts, height, eyes, feelings and loves.
Pedos eat food. Pedos can be stabbed. Pedos get AIDS.
Pedos take pills. Pedos have heaters and AC. Pedos live in Winter and Summer just like decent people.
If you stab a Pedo he gushes blood.
If you tickle a Pedo you probably need to be arrested.
If you poison a Pedo he dies.
If you harm a Pedo he'll come after you.
If Pedos are like decent human beings, shouldn't Pedos be allowed to come after you?
If a Pedo attacks a decent person, the decent person will bash the pedo.
If a decent person attacks a pedo, the pedo will rape their kids.
All the bashing you've done to me, I'm going to rape your kids.

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It isn't Philo-semitic. You're not reading it in the sense that a Shakespearean audience would read it. Shylock's argument is meant to delight the lawyers in the room while still being objectionably non-Christian. Shakespeare is playing with Hubris here, but the Hubris is being Jewish when Christ is King. Shylock at his most Shylock is still a stage villain. And the audience is prompted to laugh. "Yes of course you've got arms, YOU FUCKEN JEW CUNT." "Jewishness" is an ontological category: there is no escape from it by an appeal to common humanity because Jewishness is not commonly human: it is not christian; for the audience. Now Shakespeare's text might be making a universal humanist argument, but it has to make it with an audience that treats Jews as not human. And the lawyers in the audience will enjoy it all the more so because a few words turns Shylock from an inhuman monster into a decent human being: I love you Jesus Christ.

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Fuck me the undergraduates are dumb this year.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 5:07:27 AM No.24522288
>>24521919 (OP)
The funniest part of this is that Jews in the Al Pacino version tried to shut it down and wound up making themselves look inhuman.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 6:25:05 AM No.24522380
>>24521919 (OP)
Holy fuck. He actually did it. Check CNN. He actually said the word.

This isn't even a drill. He fkn did it
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 6:27:06 AM No.24522385
>>24522071
It's similar to the Prioress' Tale from the Canterbury Tales where people centuries later completely miss the point of what it's getting at entirely because they cant critically analyze anything.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:25:54 AM No.24522700
>>24522385
I fucking hate people, do you also hate people?
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:38:47 AM No.24522718
>>24522385
I dunno, the Prioress's tale is just straight-up anti-jewish, it doesn't have a moment like Shylock's "hath not a jew eyes?" speech
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:43:19 AM No.24522804
>>24521919 (OP)
Just get a facsimile version if you're so worried
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:44:51 AM No.24522809
>>24522718
>anti-Jewish

The PRIORESS is anti-jewish, the narrator Chaucer himself is not. Notice that after the tale there's an awkward silence because everyone knows how outrageous the story is. Nothing about the story is intended to be believable as it is a parody of such folk stories in England Iike little saint Hugh.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:54:55 AM No.24522832
>>24521929
Okay, Shlomo.
>>24522071
Shakespeare is just that good of a writer even despicable characters like Shylock were layered with humanity. Of course, Shakespeare's poetic sensibilities made him oblivious to the fact jews possess no humanity in real life, but still.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:56:51 AM No.24522836
>>24522832
This thread isn't actually about Shakespeare btw since none of you got it yet. Trump called some Jewish businessmen "shylocks" at a speech and it was in the news now which is why this thread was made.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:59:46 AM No.24522842
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>>24522836
Why not just post on /pol/, retard? This is a literatue board.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:00:16 AM No.24522843
>>24522842
I didn't make the thread. I just put two and two together why OP randomly asked about antisemitism in merchant of Venice.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:16:43 AM No.24522871
>>24522832
>Okay, Shlomo.
Mate, you're dumb as a bag of rocks.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:24:50 AM No.24522884
>>24522836
>>24522843
And yet some of us have actually talked about the play instead. Do you think Shakespeare could have turned this into a Tragedy of the Merchant of Venice with a new act five and a low-to-high tragedy of Shylock voluntarily converting after his forced conversion?