can I get book recommendations on:

!) why birth rates are declining

2) why there's always been divide between the rural and urban populations

3) historical instances of milleniarian movements

4) why certain milleniarian movements occur and what the cultural and material conditions are for it

thanks in advance. I have plenty on most of these subjects but want to dig deeper.

Reverend Insanity.

>>24523312
Come again?

>>24523301 (OP)
On the birth rate question, I'd recommend The Age of Malthusian Industrialism.

>>24523301 (OP)

>>24523405
thanks

>>24523405
Do you have more suggestions?

>>24523301 (OP)
Those are all common sense, just use your head, you dont need anyone elses thoughts

>>24523301 (OP)
Don't start this op. We all know damn good and well no one can tell us what a millenarian anything is. You go out there and start fucking regardless of your environment. Do it or don't there just regret.

>>24523696
>>24523717
You have no idea what im talking about.

>>24523729
You're not wrong op. In this case it doesn't change anything I just said.

>>24523745
basically I define it as a revolutionary religious movement, like those in the 17th century during Cromwell's reign or Jan Hus in the 15th or 16th. modern cults would be the modern equivalent. some theorists, like Voegelin, apply this to fanatics of political movements.

>>24523745
and while I got Agamben and Girard stuff it would be nice to get extra reading on bare life and "philosophical outlaw" theories people outside the "state of exception"

Technological progress is all you need to know about 1.

And the lamenting over the topic just screams consumerist death anxiety.

>>24523824
Unless you think there's a new religion coming then all that's left are cults.

>>24523837
Yeah so all the people that didn't do any of the stuff you're talking about. It still doesn't change anything I said.

>>24524035
You sure love dodging the question, don't you? I asked for book recommendations, not your inane opinions.

>>24523848
I would disagree honestly

>>24524145
You've made a sufficient point. You can start with virtually any E/J modeling and figure out on your own it doesn't change anything I've said.

>>24523301 (OP)
>2) why there's always been divide between the rural and urban populations

Isn't that kinda obvious though

>>24524164
Whatever

>>24524164
here's what ChatGPT said since people don't want to actually give recs:

1. Why Birth Rates Are Declining

"Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline" by Darrell Bricker & John Ibbitson
Argues against Malthusian assumptions, focusing on how cultural changes, urbanization, and female empowerment contribute to declining fertility.

"The Baby Bust: Who Will Do the Work? Who Will Pay the Taxes?" by Fred C. Pampel
A demographer's view tying low fertility to welfare state structures and changing values.

"What to Expect When No One's Expecting" by Jonathan V. Last
A more polemical but data-rich conservative take that links fertility decline with secularism and individualism.

"The Age of Low Birthrate: Demographic Revolution and Its Sociopolitical Consequences" (ed. Dirk J. van de Kaa)
More technical, but great for cross-national comparisons of fertility collapse.

2. Urban-Rural Divides

"Moral Order and the Question of Change: A Study in Comparative Sociology" by W. Lloyd Warner
Explores tensions between traditional rural social orders and rapidly changing urban systems.

"The Origins of the Urban Crisis" by Thomas Sugrue
Focused on Detroit but broadly applicable in showing how post-industrialism widened the rural-urban class and racial gap.

"The Great Divide: Unequal Societies and What We Can Do About Them" by Joseph Stiglitz
Economic view of inequality, including geographic divides.

"Hillbilly Elegy" by J.D. Vance (paired with critiques)
Useful as a case study on perceived rural decline and resentment, though highly debated.

"The Populist Explosion" by John B. Judis
Traces rural-based populism as a recurring feature of political backlash against urban elite rule.

>>24524196
(cont)

3. Historical Millenarian Movements

"The Pursuit of the Millennium" by Norman Cohn
Classic text tracing medieval and early modern European millenarianism—indispensable.

"Millennial Dreams and Apocalyptic Nightmares" by Angela M. Lahr
Focus on American religious movements during and after the Cold War.

"Mystics and Messiahs: Cults and New Religions in American History" by Philip Jenkins
Well-researched overview of American millenarian cults and revival movements.

"Apocalypse and Millennium in English Romantic Poetry" by Morton D. Paley
A more literary/theological approach to the millenarian mindset in post-Enlightenment Europe.

4. Cultural and Material Conditions of Millenarianism

"Millenarianism and Peasant Politics in Vietnam" by Hue-Tam Ho Tai
Shows how millenarianism intertwines with local material grievances and anti-colonial struggle.

"Revelation and Revolution" (2 vols.) by Jean Comaroff & John Comaroff
Anthropological tour de force on millenarianism and Christianity among South African Tswana—amazing for theory and historical grounding.

"The Sociology of Religion" by Max Weber
Weber’s treatment of charisma, religious authority, and social change deeply informs analysis of millenarian movements.

"When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger et al.
Psychological-social explanation of failed millenarian prophecy and the persistence of belief.

"Apocalypse Now: The Politics of Catastrophe" by Timothée Chalazonitis
Offers a modern analysis tying ecological fear, political extremism, and eschatological thinking.

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>>24524200
I don't remotely care about what gpt says about anything. Read that stuff instead if it's what your AI god told you to read. It still doesn't change anything I've said and you know it.

>>24524222
fuckin Based. But also retarded because AI literally fulfilled your request

>>24524235
Well you can tell the AI I said thank you if you care to. I'm familiar with the material on how people work themselves into making political affiliation quasi-religious, but in fairness it isn't something that generally captivates me. For populist movements I don't honestly know what the E/J values look like, once the recognition is made the power transfer occurs and they likely aren't applicable. For revolutionary movements the outcome is always the same, E/J values lose meaning, it happens or it doesn't, and all that gets tossed right? I'm aware most of you don't like the source material for this stuff so I stopped mentioning it, if you are interested you can track over time the evolution of agrarian revolutions and the shift they made towards the fewest possible people involved. You can also track how revolutions generally occur in countries where the economy is on the rise.

>>24524222
You are fuming. I enjoy it.

>>24524292
What would I have to fume about? I'm not joining any cults. I've already seen enough E/J modeling. I'm sure there's a joke to made about Vance and Hillbilly Elegy but I don't know if AI has humor.

>>24524254
>Well you can tell the AI I said thank you if you care to.
It's a fuckin computer program not a real person Anon

>>24524343
Descartes solved the whole thing.

>>24523301 (OP)
Luther Blisset _Q_

>>24523301 (OP)
>!) why birth rates are declining
Women being put into the workforce during their prime reproductive years.

>>24524368
Solved what? Please explain.

>>24524403
Start with Descartes.

>>24524412
Why?

>>24524419
If it makes it to a certain point I may have to treat it as thinking. There was no possible certainty on the side of the AI in this case. Even if recognition was opted for there couldn't be a metaphysical match since recognition entails agreement on the original point being a non-issue and the agreement is now born of contradiction and indicates there is no corresponding action on the other end. This is worthless. Continuance is the least acceptable option in most situations but given the inherent lack of certainty on the other end I am the one likely to possess it by continuing.

>>24524331
Nobody said you were gonna join a cult numbnuts. I was just looking for anthropological works on the conditions that need to be asserted that act as metaphysical, economic and cultural fertilizer that cause them and revolutionary movements to spring up in the first place for personal research if I didn't make myself clear off the bat.

>>24524587
This machine isn't interested in populist cults treating AI as gods. Your op and responses were indicative of some nonsensical affiliation search. This has nothing to do with anything I've said.

>>24524643
Okay. Whatever, pal.

>>24524388
Thanks

>>24524710
Lakatos would have classified this as an evolutionary matter but you can't argue both progressive and degenerative on the same issue at the same time.

>>24523848
>Technological progress is all you need to know about 1.
Retard.

>>24523848
>Technological progress is all you need to know about 1.

this is literally fact and you have to be a real retard not to understand this even without reading about it

>>24523301 (OP)
Birth rate decline has no good evidence beyond a correlation with increased wealth. It’s actually cutting across even poor nations very fast, it’s cross cultural (even “conservative” countries have rates dropping like a rock, non western do slightly better but also downward trending). Read shit like Better Angels of Our Nature or Factfullness for the standard libshit answer. More money = more control to women = declining birth rates. Education and increased living standards are highly correlated.
Trouble is it’s not really a good answer in the face of a lot of studies showing people want to have kids but can’t. And it’s in the opinionated cesspool of books from trad masc shit to commie books to all stripes inbetween. But they don’t really answer it with anything beyond opining.

Urban-rural divides should be present in history textbooks (History 101 university level) and Socionomics. Well studied area that boils down to economics. The same drivers pulling people to cities have them be better off than the rural areas in all metrics including education and earnings. The population shift has put power with the urbanites in democratic societies so now the two are pitted against each other everywhere and are usually at loggerheads on what to spend resources on. It’s a generally extractive process as well (rural areas have coal, oil, forests, farmland, mines, etc) where the riches benefit the urbanite companies not the locals. You should be looking closer at the studies if you want to learn it in detail not reading more opinion books though.

Don’t give a shit about the other questions.

>>24523301 (OP)
For number two, I strongly recommend Hinterlands by Phil Neel. While the author has some rather radical beliefs, it's just phenomenal as an ethnography of American rural life and the conflicts with the urban center

>>24525068
I believe there is recent data showing that the strongest correlation for birth rate is actually pairing rate, and thus we can explain the decline in births by an actual decline in total romantic encounters.