Gibbon was right all along. - /lit/ (#24523981) [Archived: 548 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:40:17 PM No.24523981
1751740773928_Edward_Gibbon_by_Henry_Walton_cleaned
1751740773928_Edward_Gibbon_by_Henry_Walton_cleaned
md5: 444ada5833709a68d2bc56cffb6137fb🔍
>From the reign of Nero to that of Antoninus Pius, the Jews discovered a fierce impatience of the dominion of Rome, which repeatedly broke out in the most furious massacres and insurrections. Humanity is shocked at the recital of the horrid cruelties which they committed in the cities of Egypt, of Cyprus, and of Cyrene, where they dwelt in treacherous friendship with the unsuspecting natives; and we are tempted to applaud the severe retaliation which was exercised by the arms of legions against a race of fanatics, whose dire and credulous superstition seemed to render them the implacable enemies not only of the Roman government, but also of mankind.
Replies: >>24525267 >>24525439 >>24527674 >>24527873 >>24527918 >>24528438 >>24530030
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:53:21 PM No.24524024
Romans tolerated people of all sorts of religions as long as they paid their taxes but we are supposed to believe that they became raging bigots as soon as they came within the proximity of a jew or a christcuck
Replies: >>24524030 >>24527466
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:56:38 PM No.24524030
>>24524024
Christians refused to sacrifice to the imperial cult. It was de facto treason.
Replies: >>24524053
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:06:21 PM No.24524053
>>24524030
Christians also got swept up in a Matyr frenzy and would deliberately break the law just to get executed. They would beg the Roman judges to execute them.
Replies: >>24524070
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:11:25 PM No.24524067
The Romans were too tolerant.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:14:29 PM No.24524070
>>24524053
I wonder if they shot rope during the execution
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:16:18 AM No.24524472
1733317377058761
1733317377058761
md5: 7ccb937d3e44595ee143790cb17a7c96🔍
>Humanity is shocked at the recital of the horrid cruelties which they committed in the cities...where they dwelt in treacherous friendship with the unsuspecting natives; and we are tempted to applaud the severe retaliation which was exercised by the arms of legions against a race of fanatics, whose dire and credulous superstition seemed to render them the implacable enemies not only of the Roman government, but also of mankind.

...Wow.
Replies: >>24525119 >>24527456
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:28:20 AM No.24525119
>>24524472
No wonder every modern history book skips over the Kitos war, huh.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:19:37 AM No.24525189
I dont listen to what fat people have to say about anything
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:55:52 AM No.24525267
>>24523981 (OP)
Should I be reading Gibbon then?
Replies: >>24525274 >>24525372 >>24525959 >>24526406 >>24527492 >>24527858
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:58:52 AM No.24525274
>>24525267
I read some of Decline and Fall for a Samuel Johnson class, since he was a member of Johnson's Club. It was a good read.

Fun fact: he actually chronicles the earthquakes and fireballs that plagued Julian the Apostate's attempts to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. Skeptic that he is, I'm surprised he treats the affair as credulously as he does.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:14:22 AM No.24525372
>>24525267
Yeah. It's a great piece of writing overall despite his biases and some filler parts.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:21:50 AM No.24525439
>>24523981 (OP)
That is fantastic prose. Bravo.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:54:18 PM No.24525959
>>24525267
It used to be a mark of intelligence to own a complete set of his books.
Replies: >>24525966
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:56:39 PM No.24525966
>>24525959
a good mark of intelligence is if someone has a phd
Replies: >>24526106 >>24526411
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:10:31 PM No.24526106
>>24525966
I don't think degrees mean anything anymore
Replies: >>24526416
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:05:15 PM No.24526406
yes
yes
md5: 8ad68ab9b4ad0407b5f087af1eaac413🔍
>>24525267
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:06:16 PM No.24526411
>>24525966
No, it's a mark of their reluctance to enter the jobs market.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:07:53 PM No.24526416
deepfried
deepfried
md5: b109992197bffb528193170e7b4db0d1🔍
>>24526106
you dont say
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:44:35 PM No.24527456
>>24524472
The more things change...
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:49:53 PM No.24527466
>>24524024
In the numerous histories that mention the interaction of jews and their neighbors the jews are always the aggressors. They even tried to genocide the Samaritans.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 12:01:42 AM No.24527492
>>24525267
It’s impossible to read him without becoming 10x better at English and becoming Anglopilled at the same time
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:15:55 AM No.24527674
1738140504358351
1738140504358351
md5: 91537f1fbfac9aba3434c20bd5fc28cc🔍
>>24523981 (OP)
desu is there really any book that successfully makes jews look good?
Replies: >>24527702
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:26:27 AM No.24527702
>>24527674
2 Kings.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 2:01:28 AM No.24527787
IMG_4874
IMG_4874
md5: a01214c2a8b44d8b550b72d22b2e1ed2🔍
Odword Gobbon
Replies: >>24527937
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 2:25:46 AM No.24527858
1680208489359122
1680208489359122
md5: 894851eeeba36ab6f817f1979ab3ebb2🔍
>>24525267
>After the Revolution, the spirit of the nation became much more commercial, than it had been before; a learned body, or clerisy, as such, gradually disappeared, and literature in general began to be addressed to the common miscellaneous public. That public had become accustomed to, and required, a strong stimulus; and to meet the requisitions of the public taste, a style was produced which by combining triteness of thought with singularity and excess of manner of expression, was calculated at once to soothe ignorance and to flatter vanity. The thought was carefully kept down to the immediate apprehension of the commonest understanding, and the dress was as anxiously arranged for the purpose of making the thought appear something very profound. The essence of this style consisted in a mock antithesis, that is, an opposition of mere sounds, in a rage for personification, the abstract made animate, far-fetched metaphors, strange phrases, metrical scraps, in every thing, in short, but genuine prose. Style is, of course, nothing else but the art of conveying the meaning appropriately and with perspicuity, whatever that meaning may be, and one criterion of style is that it shall not be translateable without injury to the meaning. Johnson’s style has pleased many from the very fault of being perpetually translateable; he creates an impression of cleverness by never saying any thing in a common way. The best specimen of this manner is in Junius, because his antithesis is less merely verbal than Johnson’s. Gibbon’s manner is the worst of all; he has every fault of which this peculiar style is capable. Tacitus is an example of it in Latin; in coming from Cicero you feel the falsetto immediately.
Replies: >>24529194
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 2:30:33 AM No.24527873
>>24523981 (OP)
Gibbon looked like THAT?
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 2:47:06 AM No.24527918
>>24523981 (OP)
Yeah it was a brutal age. As a Jew, after reading Josephus I was most of all just glad that I didn't have to live during that age. The Romans were often brutal and heavy handed imperialists who treated their provincials terribly, but many of the ancient Jews were also insane bloodthirsty religious zealots. Just makes me sad to think about all the innocent people who must have been caught in the crossfire and had their lives ruined over things they had little involvement with and certainly no say over.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 2:51:53 AM No.24527937
images (32)
images (32)
md5: e2cb9679637c09188e3c869d034c25d1🔍
>>24527787
today i realised pokelawls looks exactly like gibbon lol.
Replies: >>24527946
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 2:55:38 AM No.24527946
>>24527937
Why don't you go back to his stream then you cuck fucking loser faggot donate your mom's money maybe he'll read you out live to chat :D
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:07:18 AM No.24528130
I don't get people praising Gibbon as a good writer. Have any of you actually read him? He is a massive sophist and is seemingly incapable of getting to the point. Some of his 'evidence' and conclusions are borderline retarded like using Herodotus and the Scythians to describe the Huns 1000 years after the fact
Replies: >>24529836 >>24530170
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 7:13:18 AM No.24528438
>>24523981 (OP)
>where they dwelt in treacherous friendship with the unsuspecting natives
It’s crazy how they are the exact same today. Nothing has changed except they’ve gotten even better at doing it and have accumulated an utterly absurd amount of power by doing it.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:35:23 PM No.24529194
>>24527858
Whom? And, if I read this correctly, that Johnson and Gibbons where the best examples of a commercial type of writing, who, from that time, is worth reading? Or, compared to the quality of writing today, does it matter?
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:13:11 PM No.24529836
>>24528130
You're sounding kinda heeby there, bro.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:24:56 PM No.24530030
>>24523981 (OP)
The real redpill is realising that the English always talk common sense, and thus are never really wrong in any way.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:37:09 AM No.24530170
>>24528130
A seething shitholer typed this.